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On November 08 2015 15:03 sdnnvs wrote:
The best race (Protoss) beats the best player (Life), IMO.
User was warned for this post
Why was he warned for that post? To add some facts to that topic. Using this as source(http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_WCS_Global_Finals#Distribution)
7 Protoss, 5 Terran and 4 Zerg in the RO16
4 Protoss, 1 Terran and 3 Zerg in the RO8
2 Protoss, 0 Terran and 2 Zerg in the RO4
1 Protoss, 0 Terran and 1 Zerg in the RO2
2 Protoss, 0 Terran and 2 Zerg in the RO1
Statistically there were more Protoss than other races.
Also for those of you saying the Protoss participation went up because of Lilbow getting to the WCS Global Finals. There were 2 other contestants from WCS, Hydra and Polt who play Z and T. So of the WCS contestants, there were an equal number of distribution in terms of race, 1 of each.
Using map statistics (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_WCS_Global_Finals#Map_Statistics) we can see that in ZvP, Protoss had a 58.1 % win rate. In TvP, it was 50 % for both races. Though the sample sizes are small.
In GSL Code S, arguably the toughest competition overall, Protoss has more players in the RO32 and RO16 than other races during season 3(http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_3/Code_S), season 2 Protoss had about the same as Zerg, although 1 more for the RO4, RO2 and RO1 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_2/Code_S). For the 1st season of GSL Code S (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_1/Code_S) Protoss had 5 more than Zerg in RO32.
At least there is some statistical data that show that Protoss is ahead of Zerg. I ask again. Why did you warn him?
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On November 10 2015 00:59 nuogaiyen wrote:
Protoss race killed starcraft, good job dev team.
Too strong words i would say  Every race has already got its "golden age" Early wol - terran, late wol - zerg, hots - protoss. Last months of Hots were pretty well balanced tbh. I would just buff bio vs zerg a bit coz. Maaaeeby protoss is just slighlty too strong, but the difference is so small so that its difficult to say that the reason of this race's recent succeses are coused by the imbalance or just good performance by players playing this race. What is more it would be extremally diffucult to nerf protoss so little. Just nerfing a few hp on a unit could result in putting protoss behing other races. Watch early Lotv carefully, you will see what it means to play an imbalanced game. The worst balance is always at the beggining.
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On November 10 2015 01:15 MChrome wrote:
This finals was, from the finals i've watched so far, the most entertaining by far. Very very close all the way to the final few moments.
I don't really see the build order wins here, except maybe the tempest psyche-out, though i did see both players being mindgamed to hell and back and it was hugely entertaining.
g2 and g4 sOs went for fast, very commited DTs and Life had detection in both games. From there sOs was down 50+ supply with a late third in both cases and got easily rolled.
g6 should have been a BO win with Life's hydras being way too late and overdroning against the immortal rush, but sOs blundered and lost the prism.
g7 ling/bling allin vs forge first in the wall, I'm not sure I have seen a Protoss lose in that scenario since 2011. sOs held it without even rushing a sentry out (which would have been an instant gg) and with his second canon being too late (I guess he didnt expect the banelings, the same way life probably didn't expect the forge first and only saw it after he had already built lots of zerglings and the baneling nest). that's how BO win that was.
The Tempest thingy was one of the only builds where there wasn't a clear advantage after the early game, though I would have given it to life given that he was up 30supply at some points with sOs third and blink being late. not sure what happened, but I think life just kind of underdroned expecting a more aggressive follow up once he denied the third.
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On November 09 2015 22:41 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 19:44 cheekymonkey wrote:On November 09 2015 18:09 Hider wrote:
What people are doing is that they are confusing "I am excited/entertained" with "the games are good". People who cannot make such a a distinction demonstrates a basic lack of analytical abilities, and I categorize them as dumb.
I think you just fail to appreciate the fact that there are a lot of other factors than strict quality of a game or a series that can make it good. There is also a lot of mind projection on your side it seems. It is kind of stupid to call people dumb because they felt the games were good, because you are obviously putting your own assumptions into what they are saying. There are a lot of other factors that can make a series entertaining to watch than the games them selves. But that doesn't make the games in itself "great". It's one thing to say "that was awesome and so fun to watch" (this takes into account the hype from casters and crowd and if you are rooting for one player). It's another thing to say "wow those games were so great" (here you need to look isolated the quality of the games). I hope you understand the difference by now.
So you admit it's just semantics then. People are not dumb to call a series great when they mean they were thoroughly entertained. You just assume they have a cognitive disability to distinguish between quality and entertainment, which is an absurd assumption.
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On November 10 2015 01:27 Big J wrote:
g6 should have been a BO win with Life's hydras being way too late and overdroning against the immortal rush, but sOs blundered and lost the prism.
he did not win G6 because it was not a BO win. there were Hydras and Queens scattered all over the place when that Warp Prism went down. sos did not have infinite forcefield energy to drop them down any time he wants.
he could not warp in units in some far away location and run them into that battle because Life's 23883 zerglings can surround and kill before they can join up with sos's main army. Therefore the warp prism had to remain with sos's army.
it was an intense micro battle and Life won it.
G6 was decided on micro.
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On November 10 2015 01:21 qqMagnuz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 15:03 sdnnvs wrote:
The best race (Protoss) beats the best player (Life), IMO.
User was warned for this post Why was he warned for that post? To add some facts to that topic. Using this as source(http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_WCS_Global_Finals#Distribution) 7 Protoss, 5 Terran and 4 Zerg in the RO16 4 Protoss, 1 Terran and 3 Zerg in the RO8 2 Protoss, 0 Terran and 2 Zerg in the RO4 1 Protoss, 0 Terran and 1 Zerg in the RO2 2 Protoss, 0 Terran and 2 Zerg in the RO1 Statistically there were more Protoss than other races. Also for those of you saying the Protoss participation went up because of Lilbow getting to the WCS Global Finals. There were 2 other contestants from WCS, Hydra and Polt who play Z and T. So of the WCS contestants, there were an equal number of distribution in terms of race, 1 of each. Using map statistics (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_WCS_Global_Finals#Map_Statistics) we can see that in ZvP, Protoss had a 58.1 % win rate. In TvP, it was 50 % for both races. Though the sample sizes are small. In GSL Code S, arguably the toughest competition overall, Protoss has more players in the RO32 and RO16 than other races during season 3(http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_3/Code_S), season 2 Protoss had about the same as Zerg, although 1 more for the RO4, RO2 and RO1 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_2/Code_S). For the 1st season of GSL Code S (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_1/Code_S) Protoss had 5 more than Zerg in RO32. At least there is some statistical data that show that Protoss is ahead of Zerg. I ask again. Why did you warn him?
What he implied was that sOs won on the back of his race, whuch us not true. It is true that protoss is the dominant race in numbers, but players like life knew how to kill protosses who would rely on the race. SOs had to play a different kind of game and go through a lot of mindgames to get the throphy and that’s why he deserved it.
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On November 10 2015 01:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 01:27 Big J wrote:
g6 should have been a BO win with Life's hydras being way too late and overdroning against the immortal rush, but sOs blundered and lost the prism. he did not win G6 because it was not a BO win. there were Hydras and Queens scattered all over the place when that Warp Prism went down. and you do not have infinite forcefields energy to drop any time you please. he could not warp in units in some far away location and run them into that battle because Life's 23883 zerglings can surround and kill before they joined the army. Therefore the warp prism had to remain with sos's army. it was an intense micro battle and Life won it.
Not really. There is a lot of choke points on that map and i have seen a lot of battles where protoss would win in that situation. It was sOs blunder that did not capitalize on life’s misread on the build.
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On November 10 2015 01:31 cheekymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 22:41 Hider wrote:On November 09 2015 19:44 cheekymonkey wrote:On November 09 2015 18:09 Hider wrote:
What people are doing is that they are confusing "I am excited/entertained" with "the games are good". People who cannot make such a a distinction demonstrates a basic lack of analytical abilities, and I categorize them as dumb.
I think you just fail to appreciate the fact that there are a lot of other factors than strict quality of a game or a series that can make it good. There is also a lot of mind projection on your side it seems. It is kind of stupid to call people dumb because they felt the games were good, because you are obviously putting your own assumptions into what they are saying. There are a lot of other factors that can make a series entertaining to watch than the games them selves. But that doesn't make the games in itself "great". It's one thing to say "that was awesome and so fun to watch" (this takes into account the hype from casters and crowd and if you are rooting for one player). It's another thing to say "wow those games were so great" (here you need to look isolated the quality of the games). I hope you understand the difference by now. So you admit it's just semantics then. People are not dumb to call a series great when they mean they were thoroughly entertained. You just assume they have a cognitive disability to distinguish between quality and entertainment, which is an absurd assumption.
Except its not semantics. If the game was good, that would be awesome for Starcraft. However, the games weren't, which is problematic because it implies that you are 100% dependant on a big live audience on Tastosis to hype up the games. (Though ofc you could then respond that we can now look forward to LOTV, so bad viewing experience is less of an issue).
Call me old-school, but I absolutely prefer to watch "objectively" good games rather than mediocore games that are hyped up artifically. That's not to say other people cannot have a difference in opinion, but I dislike when people make up a world where everything is fantastic.
And your wrong! Lots of people cannot distuinish between "great experience" and "great games by them selves". Let's look at some highly upvoted reddit comments.
Seriously could not have been better. Both players past world championship winners, both players pulling out these amazing builds, alternating wins, and a 7 game series! I could not have asked for a better end to HotS!
Series could not have been better? Thus implying the games were actually good....
was really pulling for Life but it was actually a great series. extremely high level play on both sides. i'm glad that it didn't end on game 6 and we got one more amazing game of HotS. i feel like almost any other protoss would have died to that ling all-in.. wow.
One more amazing game? As in G7 was actually amazing?
Almost every game was good. The tempest build was brilliant, the hold on the immortal push was life being life and the last game well, it was a baneling bust against protoss, what more is there to say.
This one is obvious.
WOW. This match was the best advertisment for Legacy that you could have think of. This match on his own should get many people to try out this game. That was amazing. sOs deserved it at the end so much - this last hold, damn.
BTW this post is the only one below 40 upvotes (just 20).
Are you considering to reevluate your stance that it is absurd that so many people actually thought the games in itself were good?
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Just as a reminder to everybody saying that this is the best finals ever, go back and watch GSL November 2011
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On November 10 2015 01:48 swissman777 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 01:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 10 2015 01:27 Big J wrote:
g6 should have been a BO win with Life's hydras being way too late and overdroning against the immortal rush, but sOs blundered and lost the prism. he did not win G6 because it was not a BO win. there were Hydras and Queens scattered all over the place when that Warp Prism went down. and you do not have infinite forcefields energy to drop any time you please. he could not warp in units in some far away location and run them into that battle because Life's 23883 zerglings can surround and kill before they joined the army. Therefore the warp prism had to remain with sos's army. it was an intense micro battle and Life won it. Not really. There is a lot of choke points on that map and i have seen a lot of battles where protoss would win in that situation. It was sOs blunder that did not capitalize on life’s misread on the build.
a BO win is by definition simple to execute after you get the BO correct. if its too complex for sos then.... LOL
sos couldn't get his army into the tightest choke point he needed to get to.
life's misread was catalyzed by an hallucinated immortal in a previous game and the fact that sos kept his immortals hidden until he moved out.
so much "i know that you don't know that i know" mind games going on made it a fun series.
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On November 10 2015 01:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 01:48 swissman777 wrote:On November 10 2015 01:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 10 2015 01:27 Big J wrote:
g6 should have been a BO win with Life's hydras being way too late and overdroning against the immortal rush, but sOs blundered and lost the prism. he did not win G6 because it was not a BO win. there were Hydras and Queens scattered all over the place when that Warp Prism went down. and you do not have infinite forcefields energy to drop any time you please. he could not warp in units in some far away location and run them into that battle because Life's 23883 zerglings can surround and kill before they joined the army. Therefore the warp prism had to remain with sos's army. it was an intense micro battle and Life won it. Not really. There is a lot of choke points on that map and i have seen a lot of battles where protoss would win in that situation. It was sOs blunder that did not capitalize on life’s misread on the build. a BO win is by definition simple to execute after you get the BO correct. if its too complex for sos then.... LOL sos couldn't get his army into the tightest choke point he needed to get to. life's misread was catalyzed by an hallucinated immortal in a previous game and the fact that sos kept his immortals hidden until he moved out. so much "i know that you don't know that i know" mind games going on made it a fun series.
and that's why I call it a blunder. mistakes can always happen and just because something is "easy" (for that kind of player) to avoid doesn't mean it doesn't happen. otherwise we could never call something a build order win ever. sOs simply didn't control his army well, or at all in that situation, fought with hydras that were forcefielded out, wasted damage on the hatchery, couldnt make up is mind what to do with the prism and eventually lost it against hydras that would have been dead if he positioned his army better.
whether the hallucinated immortal influenced anything is a complete guess. the immortal hallucination simply made sense in the context of the other game, as it is the only power unit sOs could have theoretically gotten out from the DT rush with robo follow up. obviously a voidray or collossus would have been a fake and sOs simply tried to trick life into not attacking him while he was trying to cut corners. also I don't really have a clue how the immortal would influence Life's mindset for the other game to begin with. "so you hallucinated an immortal, I guess that means you won't do that old immortal rush in another game", lol. it's a rare build these days and life didn't scout for it, plain as that.
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On November 10 2015 01:48 Hider wrote:
And your wrong! Lots of people cannot distuinish between "great experience" and "great games by them selves". Let's look at some highly upvoted reddit comments.
no, you're missing the point. that is not the consumers job. the consumers job is to spend money. you sound like an 80s wrestling fan complaining that Hulk Hogan never did enough triple-german-suplexes off the top rope while losing a pint of blood from a razor bladed cut on his forehead.
i've seen better games. that said, i liked the series and i had a great time watching Blizzcon; i thought the quality of play was very high. if you think it wasn't high level then you're more than welcome to run the table in 2016 and make a nice sum of cash. i'll get my Hider sign ready.
getting these basic grammar details incorrect it makes me wonder if i should paint you with the "dumb" brush that you like to paint every one else with. ( notice i ended that sentence with a preposition) 
On November 10 2015 02:25 Big J wrote:
and that's why I call it a blunder. mistakes...
rather than twist my mind into a pretzel of rationalizations it goes like this
a bo wins means a win.
sos did not win.
if there are other requirements on top of the BO that are above sos's level of play then its not a BO win.
it was a life micro win... due to the limits on forcefield energy there was only 1 place sos's army could go and getting there cost him his warp prism... there were Queens and Hydras every where and he had to pump out 4 more units.
both of these guys have been out-microing the rest of the world for a long long time... and being an old C&C guy.. i like micro... i hope i'm allowed to like micro.
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On November 09 2015 15:34 wstubzi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 15:03 sdnnvs wrote:
The best race (Protoss) beats the best player (Life), IMO.
User was warned for this post Should have been a ban, contributes nothing to the thread and is disrespectful ha. It was and amazing finals and both players displayed exceptional skill imo.
There is nothing to ban or warn for. He said that in his opinion life is the best player and protoss is the best race and one won over the other. Numbers somewhat even back this up in HOTS.
There are some guys here who are very personal about their racial preference. So if you neither name a terran the best player nor name terran the up race within such a statement, you got a problem.
When you get close to anything that can concern balance then do it the big scale like dwf and back it up with dubious numbers and questionable facts but please don't on page 5 comments in a simple and meaningless way or you get displayed to public as the bad balance whiner that you are!
;D
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On November 10 2015 02:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 01:48 Hider wrote:
And your wrong! Lots of people cannot distuinish between "great experience" and "great games by them selves". Let's look at some highly upvoted reddit comments.
no, you're missing the point. that is not the consumers job. the consumers job is to spend money. you sound like an 80s wrestling fan complaining that Hulk Hogan never did enough triple-german-suplexes off the top rope while losing a pint of blood from a razor bladed cut on his forehead. i've seen better games. that said, i liked the series and i had a great time watching Blizzcon; i thought the quality of play was very high. if you think it wasn't high level then you're more than welcome to run the table in 2016 and make a nice sum of cash. i'll get my Hider sign ready. getting these basic grammar details incorrect it makes me wonder if i should paint you with the "dumb" brush that you like to paint every one else with. ( notice i ended that sentence with a preposition) Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 02:25 Big J wrote:
and that's why I call it a blunder. mistakes... rather than twist my mind into a pretzel of rationalizations it goes like this a bo wins means a win. sos did not win. if there are other requirements on top of the BO that are above sos's level of play then its not a BO win. it was a life micro win... due to the limits on forcefield energy there was only 1 place sos's army could go and getting there cost him his warp prism... there were Queens and Hydras every where and he had to pump out 4 more units. both of these guys have been out-microing the rest of the world for a long long time... and being an old C&C guy.. i like micro... i hope i'm allowed to like micro.
ok then it's semantics. bo-wins don't exist for you which is fine with me, which still means that in the way I'd define a bo win it was one.
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On November 10 2015 02:49 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 02:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 10 2015 01:48 Hider wrote:
And your wrong! Lots of people cannot distuinish between "great experience" and "great games by them selves". Let's look at some highly upvoted reddit comments.
no, you're missing the point. that is not the consumers job. the consumers job is to spend money. you sound like an 80s wrestling fan complaining that Hulk Hogan never did enough triple-german-suplexes off the top rope while losing a pint of blood from a razor bladed cut on his forehead. i've seen better games. that said, i liked the series and i had a great time watching Blizzcon; i thought the quality of play was very high. if you think it wasn't high level then you're more than welcome to run the table in 2016 and make a nice sum of cash. i'll get my Hider sign ready. getting these basic grammar details incorrect it makes me wonder if i should paint you with the "dumb" brush that you like to paint every one else with. ( notice i ended that sentence with a preposition) On November 10 2015 02:25 Big J wrote:
and that's why I call it a blunder. mistakes... rather than twist my mind into a pretzel of rationalizations it goes like this a bo wins means a win. sos did not win. if there are other requirements on top of the BO that are above sos's level of play then its not a BO win. it was a life micro win... due to the limits on forcefield energy there was only 1 place sos's army could go and getting there cost him his warp prism... there were Queens and Hydras every where and he had to pump out 4 more units. both of these guys have been out-microing the rest of the world for a long long time... and being an old C&C guy.. i like micro... i hope i'm allowed to like micro. ok then it's semantics. bo-wins don't exist for you which is fine with me, which still means that in the way I'd define a bo win it was one.
its not semantics. if really difficult micro and strategic decision making is required to leverage your BO advantage into a win condition then its not a BO win.
had sos backed off and only gone after life's 3rd then we have a long game ahead of us with no guarantees... thus no BO Win.
if sos goes in for the kill, given the hydras and queens spread all over the place... sos requires insanely high micro abilities to get into life's main ramp while keeping his warp prism BOTH alive AND warping in several sets of units along the way.
it was just a really amazingly cool micro battle as sos attempted to push his main army into life's main ramp
well played by both guys
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On November 10 2015 02:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 02:49 Big J wrote:On November 10 2015 02:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 10 2015 01:48 Hider wrote:
And your wrong! Lots of people cannot distuinish between "great experience" and "great games by them selves". Let's look at some highly upvoted reddit comments.
no, you're missing the point. that is not the consumers job. the consumers job is to spend money. you sound like an 80s wrestling fan complaining that Hulk Hogan never did enough triple-german-suplexes off the top rope while losing a pint of blood from a razor bladed cut on his forehead. i've seen better games. that said, i liked the series and i had a great time watching Blizzcon; i thought the quality of play was very high. if you think it wasn't high level then you're more than welcome to run the table in 2016 and make a nice sum of cash. i'll get my Hider sign ready. getting these basic grammar details incorrect it makes me wonder if i should paint you with the "dumb" brush that you like to paint every one else with. ( notice i ended that sentence with a preposition) On November 10 2015 02:25 Big J wrote:
and that's why I call it a blunder. mistakes... rather than twist my mind into a pretzel of rationalizations it goes like this a bo wins means a win. sos did not win. if there are other requirements on top of the BO that are above sos's level of play then its not a BO win. it was a life micro win... due to the limits on forcefield energy there was only 1 place sos's army could go and getting there cost him his warp prism... there were Queens and Hydras every where and he had to pump out 4 more units. both of these guys have been out-microing the rest of the world for a long long time... and being an old C&C guy.. i like micro... i hope i'm allowed to like micro. ok then it's semantics. bo-wins don't exist for you which is fine with me, which still means that in the way I'd define a bo win it was one. its not semantics. if really difficult micro and strategic decision making is required to leverage your BO advantage into a win condition then its not a BO win. had sos backed off and only gone after life's 3rd then we have a long game ahead of us with no guarantees... thus no BO Win. if sos goes in for the kill, given the hydras and queens spread all over the place... sos requires insanely high micro abilities to get into life's main ramp while keeping his warp prism BOTH alive AND warping in several sets of units along the way. it was just a really amazingly cool micro battle as sos attempted to push his main army into life's main ramp well played by both guys
of course it is semantics, you are only arguing about how difficult "easy" has to be for you.
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On November 10 2015 03:03 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 02:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 10 2015 02:49 Big J wrote:On November 10 2015 02:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 10 2015 01:48 Hider wrote:
And your wrong! Lots of people cannot distuinish between "great experience" and "great games by them selves". Let's look at some highly upvoted reddit comments.
no, you're missing the point. that is not the consumers job. the consumers job is to spend money. you sound like an 80s wrestling fan complaining that Hulk Hogan never did enough triple-german-suplexes off the top rope while losing a pint of blood from a razor bladed cut on his forehead. i've seen better games. that said, i liked the series and i had a great time watching Blizzcon; i thought the quality of play was very high. if you think it wasn't high level then you're more than welcome to run the table in 2016 and make a nice sum of cash. i'll get my Hider sign ready. getting these basic grammar details incorrect it makes me wonder if i should paint you with the "dumb" brush that you like to paint every one else with. ( notice i ended that sentence with a preposition) On November 10 2015 02:25 Big J wrote:
and that's why I call it a blunder. mistakes... rather than twist my mind into a pretzel of rationalizations it goes like this a bo wins means a win. sos did not win. if there are other requirements on top of the BO that are above sos's level of play then its not a BO win. it was a life micro win... due to the limits on forcefield energy there was only 1 place sos's army could go and getting there cost him his warp prism... there were Queens and Hydras every where and he had to pump out 4 more units. both of these guys have been out-microing the rest of the world for a long long time... and being an old C&C guy.. i like micro... i hope i'm allowed to like micro. ok then it's semantics. bo-wins don't exist for you which is fine with me, which still means that in the way I'd define a bo win it was one. its not semantics. if really difficult micro and strategic decision making is required to leverage your BO advantage into a win condition then its not a BO win. had sos backed off and only gone after life's 3rd then we have a long game ahead of us with no guarantees... thus no BO Win. if sos goes in for the kill, given the hydras and queens spread all over the place... sos requires insanely high micro abilities to get into life's main ramp while keeping his warp prism BOTH alive AND warping in several sets of units along the way. it was just a really amazingly cool micro battle as sos attempted to push his main army into life's main ramp well played by both guys of course it is semantics, you are only arguing about how difficult "easy" has to be for you.
watch it in slow motion dawg. where can he put that warp prism and still warp in 4 units on time within range of his army...
there is precious little space...and keep in mind his vision limitations as you watch in slo-mo.
also note that the 4 units in question were half warped in when the warp prism went down. had those 4 units gotten warped in.....
also note the hydra range upgrade was being researched but not complete during that battle... had it completed DURING that fight.... damn
of course he can keep the warp prism alive if he never warps in anything.
so much cool shit going on during that fight
all-in-all .. game 6 was pretty sweet.
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On November 10 2015 03:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 03:03 Big J wrote:On November 10 2015 02:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 10 2015 02:49 Big J wrote:On November 10 2015 02:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 10 2015 01:48 Hider wrote:
And your wrong! Lots of people cannot distuinish between "great experience" and "great games by them selves". Let's look at some highly upvoted reddit comments.
no, you're missing the point. that is not the consumers job. the consumers job is to spend money. you sound like an 80s wrestling fan complaining that Hulk Hogan never did enough triple-german-suplexes off the top rope while losing a pint of blood from a razor bladed cut on his forehead. i've seen better games. that said, i liked the series and i had a great time watching Blizzcon; i thought the quality of play was very high. if you think it wasn't high level then you're more than welcome to run the table in 2016 and make a nice sum of cash. i'll get my Hider sign ready. getting these basic grammar details incorrect it makes me wonder if i should paint you with the "dumb" brush that you like to paint every one else with. ( notice i ended that sentence with a preposition) On November 10 2015 02:25 Big J wrote:
and that's why I call it a blunder. mistakes... rather than twist my mind into a pretzel of rationalizations it goes like this a bo wins means a win. sos did not win. if there are other requirements on top of the BO that are above sos's level of play then its not a BO win. it was a life micro win... due to the limits on forcefield energy there was only 1 place sos's army could go and getting there cost him his warp prism... there were Queens and Hydras every where and he had to pump out 4 more units. both of these guys have been out-microing the rest of the world for a long long time... and being an old C&C guy.. i like micro... i hope i'm allowed to like micro. ok then it's semantics. bo-wins don't exist for you which is fine with me, which still means that in the way I'd define a bo win it was one. its not semantics. if really difficult micro and strategic decision making is required to leverage your BO advantage into a win condition then its not a BO win. had sos backed off and only gone after life's 3rd then we have a long game ahead of us with no guarantees... thus no BO Win. if sos goes in for the kill, given the hydras and queens spread all over the place... sos requires insanely high micro abilities to get into life's main ramp while keeping his warp prism BOTH alive AND warping in several sets of units along the way. it was just a really amazingly cool micro battle as sos attempted to push his main army into life's main ramp well played by both guys of course it is semantics, you are only arguing about how difficult "easy" has to be for you. watch it in slow motion dawg. where can he put that warp prism and still warp in 4 units on time within range of his army... there is precious little space...and keep in mind his vision limitations as you watch in slo-mo. also note that the 4 units in question were half warped in when the warp prism went down. had those 4 units gotten warped in..... also note the hydra range upgrade was being researched but not complete during that battle... had it completed DURING that fight.... damn of course he can keep the warp prism alive if he never warps in anything. so much cool shit going on during that fight all-in-all .. game 6 was pretty sweet.
I already said that, he can move his whole army to the bottom right to the spot where he eventually lost his prism. Havingyour army protect your prism if it is the only source of warpins in such a rush is the standard micro. he did not, had his units focusing random stuff and got punished.
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the last place life was going to let him go was anywhere near his main ramp.
he was completely surrounded and had very, very little space to safely stop his Wp and lay down 4 more units in time.
which is why he lost it... he got outmicro-ed by life... trying to get to life's main ramp.
On November 10 2015 03:34 Big J wrote:
had his units focusing random stuff and got punished.
random stuff? he was badly outnumbered and running out of forcefield energy... he could not stay there...
and he has to kill units off.
and while all this is going on.. what if the range upgrade finishes LOL
life's amazing micro showed itself in game 6
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no, you're missing the point. that is not the consumers job. the consumers job is to spend money.
Ironic how you claim I am missing the point!. What you wrote has nothing to do with what I wrote. You should consider rereading my comments or ask questions before claiming other people are missing the point.
i thought the quality of play was very high. if you think it wasn't high level then you're more than welcome to run the table in
The "skill quality" of the games have nothing to do with whether the games by them selves were fun to watch. If you properly read and understood my previous post you would read that the "best games of all time" have some common characteristica:
- Lots of multitasking
- Skillful micro (that's easy for the viewers to recognize and clearly makes a difference)
- Back-and-fourth gameplay!
A 0-0 soccer game can also contain very high level play, but still be boring as fuck to watch.
getting these basic grammar details incorrect it makes me wonder if i should paint you with the "dumb" brush that you like to paint every one else wit
Here is a suggestion: You should take an IQ test in Danish in order to determine how smart you are!
Srs, only dumb people attempt to make a connection between spelling errors on an online forum and whether the person is dumb. Giving your post history, I have no reason to expect that you are the exception to the rule.
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