WCS Grand Finals Post-Game Thread - Page 11

JimmyJRaynor

Canada17011 Posts

November 09 2015 23:06 GMT

#201

On November 10 2015 08:05 Sinusx wrote:
Probably great games. I hate those morons who put the results in the news on the main page.

isn't there some kind of spoiler toggle button in your set up you can change ?

Plexa

Aotearoa39261 Posts

November 09 2015 23:08 GMT

#202

On November 10 2015 08:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

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isn't there some kind of spoiler toggle button in your set up you can change ?

No, we no longer support a spoiler-free TL.

Sinusx

Germany6 Posts

November 09 2015 23:09 GMT

#203

On November 10 2015 08:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

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isn't there some kind of spoiler toggle button in your set up you can change ?

It used to be, but apparently no more.

JimmyJRaynor

Canada17011 Posts

November 09 2015 23:15 GMT

#204

damn.
generally i go to SC2Links.com for old matches

Big J

Austria16289 Posts

November 10 2015 00:15 GMT

#205

On November 10 2015 08:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

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On November 10 2015 07:27 Big J wrote:

On November 10 2015 04:10 deacon.frost wrote:

On November 10 2015 01:13 Big J wrote:

On November 09 2015 23:43 deacon.frost wrote:

On November 09 2015 22:22 sAsImre wrote:

On November 09 2015 22:04 deacon.frost wrote:

On November 09 2015 19:44 Elentos wrote:

On November 09 2015 19:40 cheekymonkey wrote:

On November 09 2015 18:28 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
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Because obviously future events should have been predicted at the time of writing

Well, I think his point is that sOs's impact on the scene didn't come overnight, and that it ought to have been appreciated beforehand.

Keep in mind that was stuchiu's article, and I believe criteria were, among others:

tournament wins (sOs has gotten 2 more since then)
consistency (sOs isn't very consistent)
peak skill (sOs does well in that department)
influence on the game (sOs doesn't influence the meta, he plays his own game)

sOs cannot influence the meta. He is using his superb knowledge to make decisions no one below GM would be able to(And I have feeling that it would be hard for GM players to read the game the way sOs does).

Ptitdrogo said it was impossible for him to or any foreign P to copy sOs. And i'd willingly bet it's impossible for anyone.

Not sure how much Ptitdrogo talks with sOs

I think sOs plays a style which needs to be explained by his author. In a lots of other styles(eg. templar opening by Parting) you can see the pattern, you can see the signs. You don't see this when sOs plays because because they are too subtle

I wonder if Classic/Zest/herO can see these moments and say why is sOs doing what he's doing. It can be too risk for them to play his style or maybe he's that knowledgeable that even other top level Protoss cannot copy him.

because I think it's really confusing what I wrote I give you an example.
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There was a game in WCS last year(I think, not sure) where a Protoss went gas - gate to fake proxy oracle(or something) because pro players click on geysers to check how many gas was mined. The Terran player then scouted like a madman for proxy building which was not on the map because Protoss went full greed. Casters smartly said that they expect a lot of sad protoss players on ladder because standard low level player do not check the mined gas thus they won't be fooled

sOs does similar things but on much higher level

Can you be a bit more precise, e.g. give examples for such decisions based on the final series? I very well think there are pretty clear patterns. not that I'm superfamiliar with every tiny decision in his play which I guess is what PtitDrogo means, but the general direction of his plays is not that hard retrace I think.

Well as I stated, I cannot see why is he doing some builds and decisions and it is actually hard for everyone to see. Though in these games he went almost every time blink/sentry, which as its pattern pretty clear. I meant in general.

E.g. Life has blind spore crawlers almost every game and even though he goes for DTs twice. Why? He goes airtoss carrier storm in TvP agains jjakji(?) and wins, he haven't done that after the series. OK, the map was huge and OK, jjakji isn't the best Terran out there but still... what did he saw, why did he went for that build?

Some of his decisions are simply weird, but I think there has to be some reasoning behind them which only sOs knows. And I believe the reasoning is actually pretty good because when he reads the subtle signs well he wins in an extraordinary fashion. But sometimes he reads them wrong and he fails miserably

I think sOs just has a ton of builds. Sometimes they even feel a tad bit weaker than when played by masters of those builds (e.g Parting would hit that Soultrain with 3immortals and extraordinary prism micro sometimes up to 20seconds faster, see for example his build in the 2013 proleague showmatches), but given the amount of prepartion play by Koreans it must be extremely hard to play sOs for them.

i don't think he has a tonne of builds. they are not set builds and so they appear weaker than a close approximation of someone else's build you've seen be pulled off 1000X in a row by someone else... which is why he has no problems stirring up crazy shit at the start of a match.

I mean we can quarrel again what a build order is (I guess gameplan is a more vague term we can both live with?)... but I hope we can agree that he uses a lot of different openings and has good follow up plans that reactively try to emphasize on the various outcomes of his and his opponent's openings.

JimmyJRaynor

Canada17011 Posts

November 10 2015 01:03 GMT

#206

true, and his very high micro-talent lets him sneak out of situations that would cripple a more regimented player.

swissman777

1106 Posts

November 10 2015 02:07 GMT

#207

JimmyJRaynor, what is a BO win for you? Game 2 hydra vs rogue should have been a BO win for hydra imo

evilMage

5 Posts

November 10 2015 04:19 GMT

#208

The final (sOs vs Life) probably the best match I have ever watched

insitelol

845 Posts

November 10 2015 05:22 GMT

#209

"sOs then attempted to go in an entirely different direction with the infamous soul train, but Life sniffed it out and forced a Game 7".
Can't agree with that. If only sos managed to keep his warp prism alive, there would be no game 7. It's 4-2 for me.

Jealous

10232 Posts

November 10 2015 05:22 GMT

#210

On November 10 2015 08:08 Plexa wrote:

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No, we no longer support a spoiler-free TL.

Can I ask why, and consequently why do you then put spoilers on the front page?

Just curious, it never bothered me.

FFW_Rude

France10201 Posts

November 10 2015 07:27 GMT

#211

On November 10 2015 08:05 Ansibled wrote:

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https://www.youtube.com/user/WCSStarCraft

http://www.sc2tube.com

Sc2tube shows "sos vs life" on the Frontpage.
The Youtube channel automaticly load : "sos vs Life" final.

cheekymonkey

France1387 Posts

November 10 2015 07:51 GMT

#212

On November 10 2015 16:27 FFW_Rude wrote:

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Sc2tube shows "sos vs life" on the Frontpage.
The Youtube channel automaticly load : "sos vs Life" final.

I just bookmark the twitch vods, delete TL bookmark, and thank the lord that blizzard don't put stupid spoiler titles to their vods. I remember GOM once did that, they split each game (not match) into separate vods with titles like "Bomber vs Life game 1", effectively spoiling both results and number of games of a series.

Ansibled

United Kingdom9872 Posts

November 10 2015 09:38 GMT

#213

On November 10 2015 16:27 FFW_Rude wrote:

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Sc2tube shows "sos vs life" on the Frontpage.
The Youtube channel automaticly load : "sos vs Life" final.

You can turn an anti-spoiler thing on.

FFW_Rude

France10201 Posts

November 10 2015 09:46 GMT

#214

On November 10 2015 18:38 Ansibled wrote:

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You can turn an anti-spoiler thing on.

I would need to subscribes to these sites which could be a solution you are right. But i don't want to go to every starcraft site for every functionallity i would like to use (i'm exagerating of course but you see the point). TL is the big site. Everything is in there.

On November 10 2015 16:51 cheekymonkey wrote:

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Yeah could do that but i would have to go to twitch "on time" to bookmark the VODS. sadly sometime i don't browse a starcraft site for a week so when i want to know where is the twitch/youtube channel i come to TL for it but results are out.

I made a website feedback thread to continue the discussion there if you want since it's not really the subject of this topic (my bad sorry i started)

munch

Mute City2363 Posts

November 10 2015 09:53 GMT

#215

On November 10 2015 16:27 FFW_Rude wrote:

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Sc2tube shows "sos vs life" on the Frontpage.
The Youtube channel automaticly load : "sos vs Life" final.

Lorning is your best friend

Small SC2 VOD thread is invaluable. Everyone who wants spoiler free stuff should use it

niekoz

Netherlands350 Posts

November 10 2015 10:48 GMT

#216

Thanks for the spoiler

FFW_Rude

France10201 Posts

November 10 2015 12:25 GMT

#217

On November 10 2015 18:53 thecrazymunchkin wrote:

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Lorning is your best friend

Small SC2 VOD thread is invaluable. Everyone who wants spoiler free stuff should use it

Yup. That's where i was going when i opened TeamLiquid.

swissman777

1106 Posts

November 10 2015 22:24 GMT

#218

On November 08 2015 14:56 Plexa wrote:
I'm sure the the rest of the writing team will have many things to say about this weekend and this series, so stay tuned for their recaps!

And where are their recaps? Are they too busy trying out lotv

CptMarvel

France236 Posts

November 11 2015 02:38 GMT

#219

sOs has the two things that make you win games in SC2 above all else : stellar crisis management and an undeniable talent to fuck your opponent's brain up with the clutchest, weirdest cheeses ever.

MVP and, to a smaller extent, Life, have that too. They're the three players who have repeatedly pulled it off when it truly matters and I feel like that's the way they should be remembered. These guys are not only mechanically gifted, they're downright insane (granted sOs is on another level of crazy).

On a game where macro is so fragile and fights so volatile, we should have known from the start that THIS was the road to success.

Edit : sry about the double post, haven't had coffee yet

CptMarvel

France236 Posts

November 11 2015 02:42 GMT

#220

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