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On November 09 2015 08:41 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 08:37 Hider wrote:
Pretty boring series, and overall Blizzcon was pretty uninteresting. No idea why people thought it was great... or I guess I do. The casters were great at hyping up the games so (dumb) people get deceived into thinking the actual games were anything beyond mediocre. Calling people dumb for not sharing your opinion is absurd
It is very polite of him to call people, who liked the final, as "dumb". I consider people like him, who watched a boring series on an uninteresting tournament, as idiots. And that is not very polite.
Can you imagine a person, who is watching players, he does not like, on a tournament, he does not like, watching game, he does not like at all, not being an idiot? And I would bet, he watched it till the bitter end. This is the kind of people, who did not invent the "switch off" button yet and just want to share with the whole world, how miserable their own life is.
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On November 09 2015 10:32 GiveMeCake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 05:54 Trizztein wrote:
3 of my friends (including someone I randomly met on twitch watching archon mode tournament and whom is now a great friend of mine) came over at my place to watch the semis and finals on my 55 inch TV screen in hi-res. The four of us rising from our chairs and shouting with excitement when Life sniped that warp-prism on that sixth map is a souvenir that will stay engraved in my hearth for the rest of my life. I never thought as a kid (I am now 26) that watching a game of a genre I've been in love with for such a long time could end-up forging such a happy reunion of people sharing a passion for a video game.
Or can we even say «video game» at that point? Where do you live, I want friends who watch Starcraft 
I live in downton Montreal, Canada. I actively look for more people willing to watch and share near me through twitch channels whenever I get the chance. If you're not too far away/are willing to come I'll be more happy to meet new SC lovers faces for next blizzcon or just another big SC event to come :D
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On November 09 2015 09:54 cheekymonkey wrote:
I am absolutely shocked at the level of life's play, compared to his recent performances. Probably faking it for blizzcon.
Really? I'm rather shocked how many toptier protoss he has beaten lately with strategies that have been rather easily deflected for years. Also how INnoVation after ezpz-ing Life in g1 with a macro build switched gears and went for the oldest 2base nonesense around.
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On November 09 2015 10:41 Trizztein wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 10:32 GiveMeCake wrote:On November 09 2015 05:54 Trizztein wrote:
3 of my friends (including someone I randomly met on twitch watching archon mode tournament and whom is now a great friend of mine) came over at my place to watch the semis and finals on my 55 inch TV screen in hi-res. The four of us rising from our chairs and shouting with excitement when Life sniped that warp-prism on that sixth map is a souvenir that will stay engraved in my hearth for the rest of my life. I never thought as a kid (I am now 26) that watching a game of a genre I've been in love with for such a long time could end-up forging such a happy reunion of people sharing a passion for a video game.
Or can we even say «video game» at that point? Where do you live, I want friends who watch Starcraft I live in downton Montreal, Canada. I actively look for more people willing to watch and share near me through twitch channels whenever I get the chance. If you're not too far away/are willing to come I'll be more happy to meet new SC lovers faces for next blizzcon or just another big SC event to come :D
Ah I'm in Vancouver
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On November 09 2015 11:16 GiveMeCake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 10:41 Trizztein wrote:On November 09 2015 10:32 GiveMeCake wrote:On November 09 2015 05:54 Trizztein wrote:
3 of my friends (including someone I randomly met on twitch watching archon mode tournament and whom is now a great friend of mine) came over at my place to watch the semis and finals on my 55 inch TV screen in hi-res. The four of us rising from our chairs and shouting with excitement when Life sniped that warp-prism on that sixth map is a souvenir that will stay engraved in my hearth for the rest of my life. I never thought as a kid (I am now 26) that watching a game of a genre I've been in love with for such a long time could end-up forging such a happy reunion of people sharing a passion for a video game.
Or can we even say «video game» at that point? Where do you live, I want friends who watch Starcraft I live in downton Montreal, Canada. I actively look for more people willing to watch and share near me through twitch channels whenever I get the chance. If you're not too far away/are willing to come I'll be more happy to meet new SC lovers faces for next blizzcon or just another big SC event to come :D Ah I'm in Vancouver
Hi5 Vancouverbros! 
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Man, if Life had won game 7 with that bust everyone would have gone ape sh**.
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On November 09 2015 11:39 NexT_SC2 wrote:
Man, if Life had won game 7 with that bust everyone would have gone ape sh**.
All the reason why he deserved the win. Classic fell, but sOs didn't.
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On November 09 2015 08:47 flipstar wrote:While I see where you're coming from (Reading norwegian newspapers before I've had a chance to watch UFC that went live in the middle of the night) it's pretty simple to avoid on tl. www.teamliquid.net/forum and you're covered in regards to forums&blogs&streams&events. Unless you're living under a rock and don't pay attention to events/news you know pretty much all the major tournaments that you will definitely watch and when to avoid news section. There's surely plenty of good reasons for not having the spoiler part, likely more pros than cons over having it, from a TL or "content driven website" perspective. If I had "hide spoiler" on for example, I wouldn't read about tournaments I did in fact miss or not care about but that I would've read the news article about. This would be lost traffic on TL's part, and I would've lost a possibly interesting news article I would otherwise miss. However TL, I've wondered how come you can't write an ambigious header like "WCS 2015 Champion crowned!" with a pixelated pic and trophy. Websites use shitty clickbait strategies all the time, so this must be something statistics support. I hate the "click to find out" strategy, but in this case it makes 100% sense as it's a win-win thing? You convey the message with a carrot being the answer, people who doesn't want to get spoiled doesn't. Is the value of selling that sOs won higher than the value of clickbait?
Exactly.. Not everyone has a chance to watch it live, and to see it on the front page was so disappointing to see it spoiled so in your face, just to reach the VODs. I will have to be more careful for the future.
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I thought the series was over during the Soul Train push of game 6. I was claiming it for sOs until his forces got wiped after the warp prism snipe. From that point up until the banes started bursting through his natural wall in game 7, I thought I'd called it way too early. It was so insanely tense watching the lings flood in. After watching him finally hold and stabilise, I was even more ecstatic when he pushed across the map and lay siege to Life's 3rd before the final battle at his natural. What an awesome end to an amazing series. I had so much fun watching. Cheers boys!
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On November 08 2015 15:03 sdnnvs wrote:
The best race (Protoss) beats the best player (Life), IMO.
User was warned for this post
Should have been a ban, contributes nothing to the thread and is disrespectful ha.
It was and amazing finals and both players displayed exceptional skill imo.
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On November 09 2015 13:17 FusionCutter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 08:47 flipstar wrote:While I see where you're coming from (Reading norwegian newspapers before I've had a chance to watch UFC that went live in the middle of the night) it's pretty simple to avoid on tl. www.teamliquid.net/forum and you're covered in regards to forums&blogs&streams&events. Unless you're living under a rock and don't pay attention to events/news you know pretty much all the major tournaments that you will definitely watch and when to avoid news section. There's surely plenty of good reasons for not having the spoiler part, likely more pros than cons over having it, from a TL or "content driven website" perspective. If I had "hide spoiler" on for example, I wouldn't read about tournaments I did in fact miss or not care about but that I would've read the news article about. This would be lost traffic on TL's part, and I would've lost a possibly interesting news article I would otherwise miss. However TL, I've wondered how come you can't write an ambigious header like "WCS 2015 Champion crowned!" with a pixelated pic and trophy. Websites use shitty clickbait strategies all the time, so this must be something statistics support. I hate the "click to find out" strategy, but in this case it makes 100% sense as it's a win-win thing? You convey the message with a carrot being the answer, people who doesn't want to get spoiled doesn't. Is the value of selling that sOs won higher than the value of clickbait? Exactly.. Not everyone has a chance to watch it live, and to see it on the front page was so disappointing to see it spoiled so in your face, just to reach the VODs. I will have to be more careful for the future.
I second this.
Is VERY easy to just don't set a big photo of the winner of the event in the homepage. It spoiled the finals for me.
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Remember the "Greatest Players of All Time" threads? The fact that they didn't include sOs in the Top 15 at first was pretty pathethic, but now the whole thing should be reconsidered. There is only one two-time World Champion in Starcraft 2 history, and his name is sOs.
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In a difficult time in Starcraft history, this finals provided the much needed credibility, excitement and performance that we needed to see out of the two best in the world. Not only the grand final but also the whole event.
This couldn't have been better for our sport.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On November 09 2015 17:01 Naikonz wrote:
Remember the "Greatest Players of All Time" threads? The fact that they didn't include sOs in the Top 15 at first was pretty pathethic, but now the whole thing should be reconsidered. There is only one two-time World Champion in Starcraft 2 history, and his name is sOs.
The problem with sOs is that he is not consistent. Even Classic, who can win GSL and 2 weeks later drop out of the next GSL  , is more consistent 
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On November 09 2015 08:41 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 08:37 Hider wrote:
Pretty boring series, and overall Blizzcon was pretty uninteresting. No idea why people thought it was great... or I guess I do. The casters were great at hyping up the games so (dumb) people get deceived into thinking the actual games were anything beyond mediocre. Calling people dumb for not sharing your opinion is absurd
I am not arguing that people aren't excited or didn't have fun watching the game. However, what is not debateable is whether the games contained high quality gameplay in terms of skillful micro, back-and-fourth gameplay and multitasking. Over the years of Sc1 and Sc2, those elements are all a big part of the most liked games.
On the other hand, this final contained very onesided, boring micro (no FF, roaches are Hydras are not fun to watch) with almost no multitasking. The only game that seemed remotely close was G6 before Life sniped the Warp Prism.
What people are doing is that they are confusing "I am excited/entertained" with "the games are good". People who cannot make such a a distinction demonstrates a basic lack of analytical abilities, and I categorize them as dumb.
If these games were played online w/ unhyped casters and where a WCS title wasn't on the line, noone would have thought the games would be anything more than meh'ish.
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Mute City2363 Posts
On November 09 2015 17:01 Naikonz wrote:
Remember the "Greatest Players of All Time" threads? The fact that they didn't include sOs in the Top 15 at first was pretty pathethic, but now the whole thing should be reconsidered. There is only one two-time World Champion in Starcraft 2 history, and his name is sOs.
Because obviously future events should have been predicted at the time of writing
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On November 09 2015 18:28 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 17:01 Naikonz wrote:
Remember the "Greatest Players of All Time" threads? The fact that they didn't include sOs in the Top 15 at first was pretty pathethic, but now the whole thing should be reconsidered. There is only one two-time World Champion in Starcraft 2 history, and his name is sOs. Because obviously future events should have been predicted at the time of writing
Well, I think his point is that sOs's impact on the scene didn't come overnight, and that it ought to have been appreciated beforehand.
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On November 09 2015 19:40 cheekymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 18:28 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On November 09 2015 17:01 Naikonz wrote:
Remember the "Greatest Players of All Time" threads? The fact that they didn't include sOs in the Top 15 at first was pretty pathethic, but now the whole thing should be reconsidered. There is only one two-time World Champion in Starcraft 2 history, and his name is sOs. Because obviously future events should have been predicted at the time of writing Well, I think his point is that sOs's impact on the scene didn't come overnight, and that it ought to have been appreciated beforehand.
Keep in mind that was stuchiu's article, and I believe criteria were, among others:
tournament wins (sOs has gotten 2 more since then)
consistency (sOs isn't very consistent)
peak skill (sOs does well in that department)
influence on the game (sOs doesn't influence the meta, he plays his own game)
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On November 09 2015 18:09 Hider wrote:
What people are doing is that they are confusing "I am excited/entertained" with "the games are good". People who cannot make such a a distinction demonstrates a basic lack of analytical abilities, and I categorize them as dumb.
I think you just fail to appreciate the fact that there are a lot of other factors than strict quality of a game or a series that can make it good. There is also a lot of mind projection on your side it seems. It is kind of stupid to call people dumb because they felt the games were good, because you are obviously putting your own assumptions into what they are saying.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 09 2015 19:40 cheekymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 18:28 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On November 09 2015 17:01 Naikonz wrote:
Remember the "Greatest Players of All Time" threads? The fact that they didn't include sOs in the Top 15 at first was pretty pathethic, but now the whole thing should be reconsidered. There is only one two-time World Champion in Starcraft 2 history, and his name is sOs. Because obviously future events should have been predicted at the time of writing Well, I think his point is that sOs's impact on the scene didn't come overnight, and that it ought to have been appreciated beforehand.
It's always difficult to weight extreme, but short lived, achievement vs sustained achievement but not quite reaching the same level of success. Even now, I don't think anyone can make a case for sOs to be the GOAT, and probably not top 5. Somewhere between 6-10 all time is probably a good fit.
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