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Poland3751 Posts
On October 26 2015 23:56 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 23:30 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 26 2015 23:10 deacon.frost wrote:On October 26 2015 22:57 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 26 2015 10:22 Chuddinater wrote:On October 26 2015 07:32 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 15:51 Incognoto wrote:On October 25 2015 04:05 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 03:01 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see why this is a problem. It's their platform, they can do what they want with their platform. If they're going to host the GSL, then it makes sense that match-fixers aren't also hosted. :/ Are you serious? Sure, I can't see a reasonable counter-argument. What's the other side of the coin? First, did they admit it? Becuase the trial hasn't started yet so technically they are innocent. How would you like to be thrown out of grocery store based on unproven accusations? Just FYI in Korea it is not innocent until proven guilty. As an American that is a difficult concept for me to accept, but that is just how it is in Korea so I accept it and move on. As an outsider I find it difficult to tell a culture that they are wrong and should conform to what we do in America. Korea has their own unique culture and their own unique moral code that as a citizen of the world we should all respect a countries ability to govern themselves. On October 26 2015 20:14 Penev wrote:On October 26 2015 19:58 deacon.frost wrote:On October 26 2015 19:45 Penev wrote:On October 26 2015 10:22 Chuddinater wrote:On October 26 2015 07:32 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 15:51 Incognoto wrote:
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Sure, I can't see a reasonable counter-argument. What's the other side of the coin? First, did they admit it? Becuase the trial hasn't started yet so technically they are innocent. How would you like to be thrown out of grocery store based on unproven accusations? Just FYI in Korea it is not innocent until proven guilty. As an American that is a difficult concept for me to accept, but that is just how it is in Korea so I accept it and move on. As an outsider I find it difficult to tell a culture that they are wrong and should conform to what we do in America. Korea has their own unique culture and their own unique moral code that as a citizen of the world we should all respect a countries ability to govern themselves. The presumption of innocence, sometimes referred to by the Latin expression Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies#, is the principle that one is considered innocent unless proven guilty. In many nations, presumption of innocence is a legal right of the accused in a criminal trial, and it is also regarded as an international human right under the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 11. The burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to collect and present enough compelling evidence to convince the trier of fact, who is restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony that is legally admissible, and in most cases lawfully obtained, that the accused is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. If reasonable doubt remains, the accused is to be acquitted. Under Justinian Codes and English Common law, the accused is presumed innocent in criminal proceedings, and in civil proceedings #like breach of contract) both sides must issue proof. Under Anglo-American Common Law, the accused is always presumed innocent in all types of proceedings; proof is always the burden of the accuser. Under Islamic Law, a tradition had not been solidified but doubtful evidence should be rejected upon moral principles. The majority of the defendants’ rights are protected in the Constitution of the Republic of Korea. The Constitution states that all individuals have the right to dignity, proclaims that human rights are inviolable, prohibits unlawful arrests, detentions, and seizures, forbids the use of torture, guarantees the immediate right to legal counsel, and awards the right to a fair and speedy trial. The presumption of innocence is not an American invention btw I think you are taking it wrong. The guilty thing comes from the culture of Korea not from the system. The community in Korea sees them as guilty and that's what counts. And that's what wrong  I am more and more sad that the biggest stars are in Korea the more I read about the country. I'm not, I intended 2 things with my post: 1: Make sure at least people know that South Korea in fact has presumption of innocence in their legal system. 2: To point out presumption of innocence is, in fact, an international human right. Okay so... Who is right ? Both of them? Sorry i don't get it Penev is right because South Korea legally respects presumption of innonence, and Chuddinater is right because the South Korean culture has a tendency not to respect presumption of innocence. Although I would say that it is not just the case of the SK culture but of literally any culture.
It'd be hilarious if it'd turn out i.e. Yoda is innocent and he'd sue the crap out of Afreeca and KeSPA. Not gonna happen and I believe there is slim chance Yoda is in fact innocent.
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On October 26 2015 23:56 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 23:30 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 26 2015 23:10 deacon.frost wrote:On October 26 2015 22:57 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 26 2015 10:22 Chuddinater wrote:On October 26 2015 07:32 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 15:51 Incognoto wrote:On October 25 2015 04:05 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 03:01 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see why this is a problem. It's their platform, they can do what they want with their platform. If they're going to host the GSL, then it makes sense that match-fixers aren't also hosted. :/ Are you serious? Sure, I can't see a reasonable counter-argument. What's the other side of the coin? First, did they admit it? Becuase the trial hasn't started yet so technically they are innocent. How would you like to be thrown out of grocery store based on unproven accusations? Just FYI in Korea it is not innocent until proven guilty. As an American that is a difficult concept for me to accept, but that is just how it is in Korea so I accept it and move on. As an outsider I find it difficult to tell a culture that they are wrong and should conform to what we do in America. Korea has their own unique culture and their own unique moral code that as a citizen of the world we should all respect a countries ability to govern themselves. On October 26 2015 20:14 Penev wrote:On October 26 2015 19:58 deacon.frost wrote:On October 26 2015 19:45 Penev wrote:On October 26 2015 10:22 Chuddinater wrote:On October 26 2015 07:32 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 15:51 Incognoto wrote:
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Sure, I can't see a reasonable counter-argument. What's the other side of the coin? First, did they admit it? Becuase the trial hasn't started yet so technically they are innocent. How would you like to be thrown out of grocery store based on unproven accusations? Just FYI in Korea it is not innocent until proven guilty. As an American that is a difficult concept for me to accept, but that is just how it is in Korea so I accept it and move on. As an outsider I find it difficult to tell a culture that they are wrong and should conform to what we do in America. Korea has their own unique culture and their own unique moral code that as a citizen of the world we should all respect a countries ability to govern themselves. The presumption of innocence, sometimes referred to by the Latin expression Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies#, is the principle that one is considered innocent unless proven guilty. In many nations, presumption of innocence is a legal right of the accused in a criminal trial, and it is also regarded as an international human right under the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 11. The burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to collect and present enough compelling evidence to convince the trier of fact, who is restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony that is legally admissible, and in most cases lawfully obtained, that the accused is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. If reasonable doubt remains, the accused is to be acquitted. Under Justinian Codes and English Common law, the accused is presumed innocent in criminal proceedings, and in civil proceedings #like breach of contract) both sides must issue proof. Under Anglo-American Common Law, the accused is always presumed innocent in all types of proceedings; proof is always the burden of the accuser. Under Islamic Law, a tradition had not been solidified but doubtful evidence should be rejected upon moral principles. The majority of the defendants’ rights are protected in the Constitution of the Republic of Korea. The Constitution states that all individuals have the right to dignity, proclaims that human rights are inviolable, prohibits unlawful arrests, detentions, and seizures, forbids the use of torture, guarantees the immediate right to legal counsel, and awards the right to a fair and speedy trial. The presumption of innocence is not an American invention btw I think you are taking it wrong. The guilty thing comes from the culture of Korea not from the system. The community in Korea sees them as guilty and that's what counts. And that's what wrong I am more and more sad that the biggest stars are in Korea the more I read about the country. I'm not, I intended 2 things with my post: 1: Make sure at least people know that South Korea in fact has presumption of innocence in their legal system. 2: To point out presumption of innocence is, in fact, an international human right. Okay so... Who is right ? Both of them? Sorry i don't get it Penev is right because South Korea legally respects presumption of innonence, and Chuddinater is right because the South Korean culture has a tendency not to respect presumption of innocence. Although I would say that it is not just the case of the SK culture but of literally any culture.
Oh ok. That makes sense now. Thank you for explaining.
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I would argue the presumption of innocence should be a human right, and we are right to criticize countries for certain aspects of their moral code. Just like Saudi Arabia should be criticized for treating women like dirt, Korea should be criticized for bandwagoning against the accused. Some societies have progressed beyond others in their values.
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Oh and how is it unique to Korea?
Gosh, just look in any western country, bandwagoning against perceived guilty is pretty much standard in all societies, no matter if it is about yellow press, politics, justice or whatever.
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Well apparently it's institutionalized in Korea. KeSPA (a government affiliated organization) comes right out and says "anyone who is named regardless of whether they are convicted will be banned for life". Not just banned from competing, but blacklisted from the industry. LOL
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On October 26 2015 10:22 Chuddinater wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 07:32 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 15:51 Incognoto wrote:On October 25 2015 04:05 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 03:01 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see why this is a problem. It's their platform, they can do what they want with their platform. If they're going to host the GSL, then it makes sense that match-fixers aren't also hosted. :/ Are you serious? Sure, I can't see a reasonable counter-argument. What's the other side of the coin? First, did they admit it? Becuase the trial hasn't started yet so technically they are innocent. How would you like to be thrown out of grocery store based on unproven accusations? Just FYI in Korea it is not innocent until proven guilty. As an American that is a difficult concept for me to accept, but that is just how it is in Korea so I accept it and move on. As an outsider I find it difficult to tell a culture that they are wrong and should conform to what we do in America. Korea has their own unique culture and their own unique moral code that as a citizen of the world we should all respect a countries ability to govern themselves. To put it really succinctly, thats retarded. Its absolutely ridiculous to ask people to respect someones beliefs, just because. I'm no more going to respect a muslim fundamentalists notion of justice than someone who rejects the very basic concept of innocent until proven guilty. And no, them being 'a different culture', nation, country, etc, has little to nothing to do with it. You dont get magic rights to cock up your society and make a mockery of justice just because you aint from the same place as me. That isnt how morality works.
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On October 27 2015 10:51 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 10:22 Chuddinater wrote:On October 26 2015 07:32 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 15:51 Incognoto wrote:On October 25 2015 04:05 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 03:01 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see why this is a problem. It's their platform, they can do what they want with their platform. If they're going to host the GSL, then it makes sense that match-fixers aren't also hosted. :/ Are you serious? Sure, I can't see a reasonable counter-argument. What's the other side of the coin? First, did they admit it? Becuase the trial hasn't started yet so technically they are innocent. How would you like to be thrown out of grocery store based on unproven accusations? Just FYI in Korea it is not innocent until proven guilty. As an American that is a difficult concept for me to accept, but that is just how it is in Korea so I accept it and move on. As an outsider I find it difficult to tell a culture that they are wrong and should conform to what we do in America. Korea has their own unique culture and their own unique moral code that as a citizen of the world we should all respect a countries ability to govern themselves. To put it really succinctly, thats retarded. Its absolutely ridiculous to ask people to respect someones beliefs, just because. I'm no more going to respect a muslim fundamentalists notion of justice than someone who rejects the very basic concept of innocent until proven guilty. And no, them being 'a different culture', nation, country, etc, has little to nothing to do with it. You dont get magic rights to cock up your society and make a mockery of justice just because you aint from the same place as me. That isnt how morality works.
Justice is relative. Your definition of justice may not be relevant to mine or another individual living in elsewhere, just like there are many forms of governance which we, as a member of society, collectively, participate in (willing or unwilling). You still have much to learn, grasshopper.
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On October 22 2015 17:25 Shuffleblade wrote:
Many people say that money rules the Afreeca World and that they changed opinion after the outrage.
I want to point out however that kespa themselves admit to fault since they did not offically reach out to Afreeca but just posted a "manifesto". To be honet I think just posting something like that without first contacting Afreeca is very bad manners and I totally understand Afreecas initial reaction in that situation.
Thus the wrongdoing is at least 50% on kespa and there's no foundation at all for it being the money of the public outrage that made Afreeca change their minds. Maybe kespa making contact and talking with them about it was all that was needed.
My point is that we don't know.
Rude maybe, but reacting self defensive and kid-like is not a proper reaction to an organization issuing an ultimatum that would in turn affect you.
A proper reaction would be to look at the situation and then make a decision, rather than to outburst in a fit.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 27 2015 10:14 mahrgell wrote:
Oh and how is it unique to Korea?
Gosh, just look in any western country, bandwagoning against perceived guilty is pretty much standard in all societies, no matter if it is about yellow press, politics, justice or whatever.
Yes, but in Western countries the government at least tries to not act as a fuel into the lynching process of the crowd. In this example KeSPA is acting as the fuel. And it is a government company, isn't it?
This reminds me 50s in the last century in Czechoslovakia and that's a period of time most people here(CZE) would like to forget.
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On October 27 2015 10:51 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 10:22 Chuddinater wrote:On October 26 2015 07:32 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 15:51 Incognoto wrote:On October 25 2015 04:05 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 03:01 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see why this is a problem. It's their platform, they can do what they want with their platform. If they're going to host the GSL, then it makes sense that match-fixers aren't also hosted. :/ Are you serious? Sure, I can't see a reasonable counter-argument. What's the other side of the coin? First, did they admit it? Becuase the trial hasn't started yet so technically they are innocent. How would you like to be thrown out of grocery store based on unproven accusations? Just FYI in Korea it is not innocent until proven guilty. As an American that is a difficult concept for me to accept, but that is just how it is in Korea so I accept it and move on. As an outsider I find it difficult to tell a culture that they are wrong and should conform to what we do in America. Korea has their own unique culture and their own unique moral code that as a citizen of the world we should all respect a countries ability to govern themselves. To put it really succinctly, thats retarded. Its absolutely ridiculous to ask people to respect someones beliefs, just because. I'm no more going to respect a muslim fundamentalists notion of justice than someone who rejects the very basic concept of innocent until proven guilty. And no, them being 'a different culture', nation, country, etc, has little to nothing to do with it. You dont get magic rights to cock up your society and make a mockery of justice just because you aint from the same place as me. That isnt how morality works.
All your posts are pretty much a 9 year old throwing a temper tantrum, can you write a thought without swearing and insulting as you go?
Get some help man.
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On October 27 2015 14:25 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 10:51 Dazed_Spy wrote:On October 26 2015 10:22 Chuddinater wrote:On October 26 2015 07:32 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 15:51 Incognoto wrote:On October 25 2015 04:05 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 03:01 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see why this is a problem. It's their platform, they can do what they want with their platform. If they're going to host the GSL, then it makes sense that match-fixers aren't also hosted. :/ Are you serious? Sure, I can't see a reasonable counter-argument. What's the other side of the coin? First, did they admit it? Becuase the trial hasn't started yet so technically they are innocent. How would you like to be thrown out of grocery store based on unproven accusations? Just FYI in Korea it is not innocent until proven guilty. As an American that is a difficult concept for me to accept, but that is just how it is in Korea so I accept it and move on. As an outsider I find it difficult to tell a culture that they are wrong and should conform to what we do in America. Korea has their own unique culture and their own unique moral code that as a citizen of the world we should all respect a countries ability to govern themselves. To put it really succinctly, thats retarded. Its absolutely ridiculous to ask people to respect someones beliefs, just because. I'm no more going to respect a muslim fundamentalists notion of justice than someone who rejects the very basic concept of innocent until proven guilty. And no, them being 'a different culture', nation, country, etc, has little to nothing to do with it. You dont get magic rights to cock up your society and make a mockery of justice just because you aint from the same place as me. That isnt how morality works. Justice is relative. Your definition of justice may not be relevant to mine or another individual living in elsewhere, just like there are many forms of governance which we, as a member of society, collectively, participate in (willing or unwilling). You still have much to learn, grasshopper.
This sounds a little too much like moral relativism to me. Moral relativism is intellectually lazy. Your fluid definition of justice allows for public stoning of rape victims to be considered just.
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"Innocent until proven guilty" is neither a moral principle nor a statement of fact. It's a legal principle of a system that intentionally lets people walk free rather than risk false convictions. One can be guilty without being legally proven so. Kespa and Afreeca are only responsible for acting in the best interest of their bottom line within the law. We can debate their strategy, but moral outrage is unwarranted here.
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On October 27 2015 14:25 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 10:51 Dazed_Spy wrote:On October 26 2015 10:22 Chuddinater wrote:On October 26 2015 07:32 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 15:51 Incognoto wrote:On October 25 2015 04:05 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 03:01 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see why this is a problem. It's their platform, they can do what they want with their platform. If they're going to host the GSL, then it makes sense that match-fixers aren't also hosted. :/ Are you serious? Sure, I can't see a reasonable counter-argument. What's the other side of the coin? First, did they admit it? Becuase the trial hasn't started yet so technically they are innocent. How would you like to be thrown out of grocery store based on unproven accusations? Just FYI in Korea it is not innocent until proven guilty. As an American that is a difficult concept for me to accept, but that is just how it is in Korea so I accept it and move on. As an outsider I find it difficult to tell a culture that they are wrong and should conform to what we do in America. Korea has their own unique culture and their own unique moral code that as a citizen of the world we should all respect a countries ability to govern themselves. To put it really succinctly, thats retarded. Its absolutely ridiculous to ask people to respect someones beliefs, just because. I'm no more going to respect a muslim fundamentalists notion of justice than someone who rejects the very basic concept of innocent until proven guilty. And no, them being 'a different culture', nation, country, etc, has little to nothing to do with it. You dont get magic rights to cock up your society and make a mockery of justice just because you aint from the same place as me. That isnt how morality works. Justice is relative. Your definition of justice may not be relevant to mine or another individual living in elsewhere, just like there are many forms of governance which we, as a member of society, collectively, participate in (willing or unwilling). You still have much to learn, grasshopper. The understanding of justice is relative, it is not in fact, relative.On October 28 2015 03:57 Savant wrote:
"Innocent until proven guilty" is neither a moral principle nor a statement of fact. It's a legal principle of a system that intentionally lets people walk free rather than risk false convictions. One can be guilty without being legally proven so. Kespa and Afreeca are only responsible for acting in the best interest of their bottom line within the law. We can debate their strategy, but moral outrage is unwarranted here. It is a moral principle as it is a necessary preconditon for a just legal system.On October 27 2015 21:34 MaCRo.gg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 10:51 Dazed_Spy wrote:On October 26 2015 10:22 Chuddinater wrote:On October 26 2015 07:32 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 15:51 Incognoto wrote:On October 25 2015 04:05 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 03:01 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see why this is a problem. It's their platform, they can do what they want with their platform. If they're going to host the GSL, then it makes sense that match-fixers aren't also hosted. :/ Are you serious? Sure, I can't see a reasonable counter-argument. What's the other side of the coin? First, did they admit it? Becuase the trial hasn't started yet so technically they are innocent. How would you like to be thrown out of grocery store based on unproven accusations? Just FYI in Korea it is not innocent until proven guilty. As an American that is a difficult concept for me to accept, but that is just how it is in Korea so I accept it and move on. As an outsider I find it difficult to tell a culture that they are wrong and should conform to what we do in America. Korea has their own unique culture and their own unique moral code that as a citizen of the world we should all respect a countries ability to govern themselves. To put it really succinctly, thats retarded. Its absolutely ridiculous to ask people to respect someones beliefs, just because. I'm no more going to respect a muslim fundamentalists notion of justice than someone who rejects the very basic concept of innocent until proven guilty. And no, them being 'a different culture', nation, country, etc, has little to nothing to do with it. You dont get magic rights to cock up your society and make a mockery of justice just because you aint from the same place as me. That isnt how morality works. All your posts are pretty much a 9 year old throwing a temper tantrum, can you write a thought without swearing and insulting as you go? Get some help man. Coming from the guy who claims anyone who criticizes kespa/afreecas behaviour is a racist, thats pretty funny.
Oh right: Let go of the hate and find peace, my brother.
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In Russia you're guilty until proven innocent. Isn't that the reason why people are throwing themselves in front of cars and everybody installing dashcams?
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Poland3751 Posts
On October 26 2015 10:22 Chuddinater wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 07:32 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 15:51 Incognoto wrote:On October 25 2015 04:05 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 03:01 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see why this is a problem. It's their platform, they can do what they want with their platform. If they're going to host the GSL, then it makes sense that match-fixers aren't also hosted. :/ Are you serious? Sure, I can't see a reasonable counter-argument. What's the other side of the coin? First, did they admit it? Becuase the trial hasn't started yet so technically they are innocent. How would you like to be thrown out of grocery store based on unproven accusations? Just FYI in Korea it is not innocent until proven guilty. As an American that is a difficult concept for me to accept, but that is just how it is in Korea so I accept it and move on. As an outsider I find it difficult to tell a culture that they are wrong and should conform to what we do in America. Korea has their own unique culture and their own unique moral code that as a citizen of the world we should all respect a countries ability to govern themselves.
It's confusing. You're KeSPA representative (I assume based on icon), american, you explain s.t. about korean legal system which as far as I can tell is not true. Just because part of the korean community is pitchforks and torches doesn't mean its' how law works there.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On October 29 2015 01:15 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 10:22 Chuddinater wrote:On October 26 2015 07:32 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 15:51 Incognoto wrote:On October 25 2015 04:05 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 03:01 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see why this is a problem. It's their platform, they can do what they want with their platform. If they're going to host the GSL, then it makes sense that match-fixers aren't also hosted. :/ Are you serious? Sure, I can't see a reasonable counter-argument. What's the other side of the coin? First, did they admit it? Becuase the trial hasn't started yet so technically they are innocent. How would you like to be thrown out of grocery store based on unproven accusations? Just FYI in Korea it is not innocent until proven guilty. As an American that is a difficult concept for me to accept, but that is just how it is in Korea so I accept it and move on. As an outsider I find it difficult to tell a culture that they are wrong and should conform to what we do in America. Korea has their own unique culture and their own unique moral code that as a citizen of the world we should all respect a countries ability to govern themselves. It's confusing. You're KeSPA representative (I assume based on icon), american, you explain s.t. about korean legal system which as far as I can tell is not true. Just because part of the korean community is pitchforks and torches doesn't mean its' how law works there.
Strictly speaking, he never said it was the law. He talked about culture and a unique moral code. The post was ambigious given the mention of countries' ability to govern themselves, but I interpreted it as the Korean community being quicker to judge, not the law saying this or that.
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On October 29 2015 01:15 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 10:22 Chuddinater wrote:On October 26 2015 07:32 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 15:51 Incognoto wrote:On October 25 2015 04:05 nimdil wrote:On October 25 2015 03:01 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see why this is a problem. It's their platform, they can do what they want with their platform. If they're going to host the GSL, then it makes sense that match-fixers aren't also hosted. :/ Are you serious? Sure, I can't see a reasonable counter-argument. What's the other side of the coin? First, did they admit it? Becuase the trial hasn't started yet so technically they are innocent. How would you like to be thrown out of grocery store based on unproven accusations? Just FYI in Korea it is not innocent until proven guilty. As an American that is a difficult concept for me to accept, but that is just how it is in Korea so I accept it and move on. As an outsider I find it difficult to tell a culture that they are wrong and should conform to what we do in America. Korea has their own unique culture and their own unique moral code that as a citizen of the world we should all respect a countries ability to govern themselves. It's confusing. You're KeSPA representative (I assume based on icon), american, you explain s.t. about korean legal system which as far as I can tell is not true. Just because part of the korean community is pitchforks and torches doesn't mean its' how law works there.
I was confused as well. Read Otherworld post on last page.
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On October 28 2015 03:57 Savant wrote:
"Innocent until proven guilty" is neither a moral principle nor a statement of fact. It's a legal principle of a system that intentionally lets people walk free rather than risk false convictions. One can be guilty without being legally proven so. Kespa and Afreeca are only responsible for acting in the best interest of their bottom line within the law. We can debate their strategy, but moral outrage is unwarranted here.
I'm not sure Kespa's actions can be explained only by their bottom line. I think they are imposing their opinion of what's right. And I don't think what you said is mutually exclusive with that principle being a moral principle.
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