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On April 22 2015 11:51 Espers wrote:
I actually figured it would be a lot more than 100k (pre-tax I assume), ad revenue really sucks for Twitch right now I guess. I remember people making 400+ a day from ads on Twitch in 2011.
would've liked to know how he feels about long-term viability, it doesn't seem very stable with how quickly the gaming, streaming and esports landscape changes. he doesn't anywhere close to the viewers numbers he did 3 years ago's that for sure.
the real money maker is clearly in his hardcore fan base subscribing to 10-40 bucks a moth every month.
20 bucks per an average viewer, 500 sign up and that is already 10k just from that. And because its a hard core fan base instead of a floating one that money is locked in. The ad revenue and everything else is just a bonus.
The question is if other streams (a) want to spend as much time streaming as he supposedly does and (b) be able to form a near cult like fan base that views paying you 100 bucks + a year for more or less the mid-to long term.
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Bisutopia19300 Posts
I think it is great destiny can succeed and make a decent income. However, working 60+ hours at a job is nothing new. Ample amounts of people have to put in those hours to achieve their goals. I have work travel weeks where everyday is a twelve hour work day, call loved ones, and then I get back to my hotel and brainstorm and invest hours into writing TL articles and producing gaming content without earning a cent. In the end, I enjoy every minute of every day of my life. Investing in what you are passionate about supersedes everything. So yes, great that Destiny is doing well, because competitive gaming is about having endless passion and earning what you can be it a gaming/non gaming job so you can take those few precious extra hours and invest them back into the game.
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On April 22 2015 11:58 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 10:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 22 2015 10:31 IntoTheheart wrote:On April 22 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 22 2015 10:12 -Switch- wrote:
"Bonnell works roughly 60 hours a week" lol Assuming you're not doubting the actual amount of time he puts into his stream, how is his work less valid than someone who sits in an office plugging numbers into a spreadsheet? There was also a tournament that he organized, which took a huge amount of time to pull together. That tournament was phenomenal, and he got so much unjustified hate from being transparent with donation distribution iirc. He works his ass off. it really saddened me when people flamed him over the internet because he made money out of his tournament. it was fucking pathetic.
Community toxicity has been on the rise as of late. The reaction to Lycans Patreon launch on Reddit was nothing short of disgusting. There's no doubt that previous crowdfunding efforts and botches have poisoned the well but the open hostility from some people was a disgrace. Civility is a lost art it seems.
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Bisutopia19300 Posts
On April 22 2015 12:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 11:58 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On April 22 2015 10:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 22 2015 10:31 IntoTheheart wrote:On April 22 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 22 2015 10:12 -Switch- wrote:
"Bonnell works roughly 60 hours a week" lol Assuming you're not doubting the actual amount of time he puts into his stream, how is his work less valid than someone who sits in an office plugging numbers into a spreadsheet? There was also a tournament that he organized, which took a huge amount of time to pull together. That tournament was phenomenal, and he got so much unjustified hate from being transparent with donation distribution iirc. He works his ass off. it really saddened me when people flamed him over the internet because he made money out of his tournament. it was fucking pathetic. Community toxicity has been on the rise as of late. The reaction to Lycans Patreon launch on Reddit was nothing short of disgusting. There's no doubt that previous crowdfunding efforts and botches have poisoned the well but the open hostility from some people was a disgrace. Civility is a lost art it seems.
Some of us try. You should get a brood war team, our community has become pretty civil and laid back over the past few year :D
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On April 22 2015 12:23 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 12:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 22 2015 11:58 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On April 22 2015 10:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 22 2015 10:31 IntoTheheart wrote:On April 22 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 22 2015 10:12 -Switch- wrote:
"Bonnell works roughly 60 hours a week" lol Assuming you're not doubting the actual amount of time he puts into his stream, how is his work less valid than someone who sits in an office plugging numbers into a spreadsheet? There was also a tournament that he organized, which took a huge amount of time to pull together. That tournament was phenomenal, and he got so much unjustified hate from being transparent with donation distribution iirc. He works his ass off. it really saddened me when people flamed him over the internet because he made money out of his tournament. it was fucking pathetic. Community toxicity has been on the rise as of late. The reaction to Lycans Patreon launch on Reddit was nothing short of disgusting. There's no doubt that previous crowdfunding efforts and botches have poisoned the well but the open hostility from some people was a disgrace. Civility is a lost art it seems. Some of us try. You should get a brood war team, our community has become pretty civil and laid back over the past few year :D
How to go Bankrupt overnight 101.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 22 2015 12:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 12:23 BisuDagger wrote:On April 22 2015 12:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 22 2015 11:58 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On April 22 2015 10:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 22 2015 10:31 IntoTheheart wrote:On April 22 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 22 2015 10:12 -Switch- wrote:
"Bonnell works roughly 60 hours a week" lol Assuming you're not doubting the actual amount of time he puts into his stream, how is his work less valid than someone who sits in an office plugging numbers into a spreadsheet? There was also a tournament that he organized, which took a huge amount of time to pull together. That tournament was phenomenal, and he got so much unjustified hate from being transparent with donation distribution iirc. He works his ass off. it really saddened me when people flamed him over the internet because he made money out of his tournament. it was fucking pathetic. Community toxicity has been on the rise as of late. The reaction to Lycans Patreon launch on Reddit was nothing short of disgusting. There's no doubt that previous crowdfunding efforts and botches have poisoned the well but the open hostility from some people was a disgrace. Civility is a lost art it seems. Some of us try. You should get a brood war team, our community has become pretty civil and laid back over the past few year :D How to go Bankrupt overnight 101.
unless you're a magician/jesus like Sonic
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Bisutopia19300 Posts
On April 22 2015 12:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 12:23 BisuDagger wrote:On April 22 2015 12:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 22 2015 11:58 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On April 22 2015 10:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 22 2015 10:31 IntoTheheart wrote:On April 22 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 22 2015 10:12 -Switch- wrote:
"Bonnell works roughly 60 hours a week" lol Assuming you're not doubting the actual amount of time he puts into his stream, how is his work less valid than someone who sits in an office plugging numbers into a spreadsheet? There was also a tournament that he organized, which took a huge amount of time to pull together. That tournament was phenomenal, and he got so much unjustified hate from being transparent with donation distribution iirc. He works his ass off. it really saddened me when people flamed him over the internet because he made money out of his tournament. it was fucking pathetic. Community toxicity has been on the rise as of late. The reaction to Lycans Patreon launch on Reddit was nothing short of disgusting. There's no doubt that previous crowdfunding efforts and botches have poisoned the well but the open hostility from some people was a disgrace. Civility is a lost art it seems. Some of us try. You should get a brood war team, our community has become pretty civil and laid back over the past few year :D How to go Bankrupt overnight 101.
Sonic got rich making sneakers. That leaves the market open for totalbiscuitGloves and totalbiscuitMittens. STYLE START JAZZHANDS.
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On April 22 2015 12:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 12:23 BisuDagger wrote:On April 22 2015 12:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 22 2015 11:58 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On April 22 2015 10:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 22 2015 10:31 IntoTheheart wrote:On April 22 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 22 2015 10:12 -Switch- wrote:
"Bonnell works roughly 60 hours a week" lol Assuming you're not doubting the actual amount of time he puts into his stream, how is his work less valid than someone who sits in an office plugging numbers into a spreadsheet? There was also a tournament that he organized, which took a huge amount of time to pull together. That tournament was phenomenal, and he got so much unjustified hate from being transparent with donation distribution iirc. He works his ass off. it really saddened me when people flamed him over the internet because he made money out of his tournament. it was fucking pathetic. Community toxicity has been on the rise as of late. The reaction to Lycans Patreon launch on Reddit was nothing short of disgusting. There's no doubt that previous crowdfunding efforts and botches have poisoned the well but the open hostility from some people was a disgrace. Civility is a lost art it seems. Some of us try. You should get a brood war team, our community has become pretty civil and laid back over the past few year :D How to go Bankrupt overnight 101.
You can sell top-hat wearing animal figurines, posters, and shirts, like the weasel.
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On April 22 2015 12:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 11:58 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On April 22 2015 10:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 22 2015 10:31 IntoTheheart wrote:On April 22 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 22 2015 10:12 -Switch- wrote:
"Bonnell works roughly 60 hours a week" lol Assuming you're not doubting the actual amount of time he puts into his stream, how is his work less valid than someone who sits in an office plugging numbers into a spreadsheet? There was also a tournament that he organized, which took a huge amount of time to pull together. That tournament was phenomenal, and he got so much unjustified hate from being transparent with donation distribution iirc. He works his ass off. it really saddened me when people flamed him over the internet because he made money out of his tournament. it was fucking pathetic. Community toxicity has been on the rise as of late. The reaction to Lycans Patreon launch on Reddit was nothing short of disgusting. There's no doubt that previous crowdfunding efforts and botches have poisoned the well but the open hostility from some people was a disgrace. Civility is a lost art it seems.
Could someone explain what this was? I didn't catch that.
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On April 22 2015 11:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 11:16 lichter wrote:On April 22 2015 11:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 22 2015 11:02 Shadowfyre wrote:
I would like to point out to people who say that Destiny/other streamers don't have a "real job". They do. A valid job at that, as well as the fact that Destiny has stated that he has held several job doing physical labor and the like and has said that streaming professionally is just about as hard as those jobs, if not harder. In my experience, those who use the "real job" argument do so out of jealousy and little more than that. Does it pay money? Then its a real job, the money is just as real as everyone elses. everyone is envious of the esports dream  Nothing wrong with it. I was envious of people in cool jobs when I worked a shitty job too. The difference is most people manage to keep their envy to themselves instead of going onto the internet and slandering people they dont like. Let me put it this way, you dont get 100+ death-threats a year for working in an office. That's a plus.
yeah but the 1 you dont get in the office is the 1 that does you in
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 22 2015 12:32 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 12:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 22 2015 12:23 BisuDagger wrote:On April 22 2015 12:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 22 2015 11:58 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On April 22 2015 10:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 22 2015 10:31 IntoTheheart wrote:On April 22 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 22 2015 10:12 -Switch- wrote:
"Bonnell works roughly 60 hours a week" lol Assuming you're not doubting the actual amount of time he puts into his stream, how is his work less valid than someone who sits in an office plugging numbers into a spreadsheet? There was also a tournament that he organized, which took a huge amount of time to pull together. That tournament was phenomenal, and he got so much unjustified hate from being transparent with donation distribution iirc. He works his ass off. it really saddened me when people flamed him over the internet because he made money out of his tournament. it was fucking pathetic. Community toxicity has been on the rise as of late. The reaction to Lycans Patreon launch on Reddit was nothing short of disgusting. There's no doubt that previous crowdfunding efforts and botches have poisoned the well but the open hostility from some people was a disgrace. Civility is a lost art it seems. Some of us try. You should get a brood war team, our community has become pretty civil and laid back over the past few year :D How to go Bankrupt overnight 101. Sonic got rich making sneakers. That leaves the market open for totalbiscuitGloves and totalbiscuitMittens. STYLE START JAZZHANDS.
I cannot even exaggerate how much I would love this
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I can do neither, because Socialblades information is ridiculously inaccurate. It might as well be saying "well he's either making $1 or a million dollars, or anything in between". Those numbers are based on guesswork CPMs, I mean fuck, look at that variance "$2.6K - $42K" a month. Am I earning somewhere between that? Yes. Will I tell you what? No, because I am contractually obligated not to.
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I am gonna give him a sub or donation soon.
Had so much fun watching him play
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On April 22 2015 13:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:I can do neither, because Socialblades information is ridiculously inaccurate. It might as well be saying "well he's either making $1 or a million dollars, or anything in between". Those numbers are based on guesswork CPMs, I mean fuck, look at that variance "$2.6K - $42K" a month. Am I earning somewhere between that? Yes. Will I tell you what? No, because I am contractually obligated not to.
Why do they contractually obligate people not to disclose that stuff? And how does Socialblade get their data?
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On April 22 2015 13:25 MarlieChurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 13:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:I can do neither, because Socialblades information is ridiculously inaccurate. It might as well be saying "well he's either making $1 or a million dollars, or anything in between". Those numbers are based on guesswork CPMs, I mean fuck, look at that variance "$2.6K - $42K" a month. Am I earning somewhere between that? Yes. Will I tell you what? No, because I am contractually obligated not to. Why do they contractually obligate people not to disclose that stuff? And how does Socialblade get their data?
Socialblade guesses, they have no actual financial data. Only their viewcount data is accurate because that's public information. I don't know why we are contractually obligated note to disclose, only that we are.
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Not allowing CPM disclosure definitely gives youtube several advantages.
1. It allows them to offer different rates to different people for various reasons. For example if youtube wanted to lure a famous artist to make a video for a PR event they could offer them a very good rate for a specific video or such.
2. It also also gives them an advantage against other streaming/video sites by making it harder for them to determine the rate to pay their content creators. If they were to allow full disclosure, vimeo might decide, "Hey we'll offer you X money more per view than youtube, plus other benefits!" which could kickoff a price war which hurts both companies' bottom lines.
Of course none of this is especially good for streamers or content creators but its just business.
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On April 22 2015 13:51 stink123 wrote:
Not allowing CPM disclosure definitely gives youtube several advantages.
1. It allows them to offer different rates to different people for various reasons. For example if youtube wanted to lure a famous artist to make a video for a PR event they could offer them a very good rate for a specific video or such.
2. It also also gives them an advantage against other streaming/video sites by making it harder for them to determine the rate to pay their content creators. If they were to allow full disclosure, vimeo might decide, "Hey we'll offer you X money more per view than youtube, plus other benefits!" which could kickoff a price war which hurts both companies' bottom lines.
Of course none of this is especially good for streamers or content creators but its just business.
I was always told that competition (especially regarding products/service/content) was good for business overall. Ie; both will profit from it in the long run.
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On April 22 2015 13:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Socialblade guesses, they have no actual financial data. Only their viewcount data is accurate because that's public information. I don't know why we are contractually obligated note to disclose, only that we are.
Care to comment on how frustrating contractual obligations are? I've always thought that kind of contractual obligation felt like secrecy for secrecy's sake, but I suppose it's probably so other competing services can't decide to offer you better numbers than you're currently getting in order to lure you away. Still, seems like kinda a dick move (but hey, the corporate world is full of dicks, so that's no surprise)
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On April 22 2015 13:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 13:25 MarlieChurphy wrote:On April 22 2015 13:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:I can do neither, because Socialblades information is ridiculously inaccurate. It might as well be saying "well he's either making $1 or a million dollars, or anything in between". Those numbers are based on guesswork CPMs, I mean fuck, look at that variance "$2.6K - $42K" a month. Am I earning somewhere between that? Yes. Will I tell you what? No, because I am contractually obligated not to. Why do they contractually obligate people not to disclose that stuff? And how does Socialblade get their data? Socialblade guesses, they have no actual financial data. Only their viewcount data is accurate because that's public information. I don't know why we are contractually obligated note to disclose, only that we are.
Well that's ..... kind of weird. But in companies salaries are normally confidential too (You can't ask a company to say how much this guy or this guy is paid) People tell but that's because they are not contractually obliged to shut their mouth :p. In anyway if you are between those two numbers things are going well for you and it's well deserved Sir Biscuit.
Wait ... we are on the internet. YOU TOPHAT MADMAN IS EARNING MORE THAN ME ! I HATE YOU DISPISE YOU AND HOPE THAT WEIRD THING HAPPENS TO YOUR CAT ! (did i do this right ?) :p
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