TotalBiscuit, can you confirm or deny these numbers?
I can do neither, because Socialblades information is ridiculously inaccurate. It might as well be saying "well he's either making $1 or a million dollars, or anything in between". Those numbers are based on guesswork CPMs, I mean fuck, look at that variance "$2.6K - $42K" a month. Am I earning somewhere between that? Yes. Will I tell you what? No, because I am contractually obligated not to.
Why do they contractually obligate people not to disclose that stuff? And how does Socialblade get their data?
Socialblade guesses, they have no actual financial data. Only their viewcount data is accurate because that's public information. I don't know why we are contractually obligated note to disclose, only that we are.
Well that's ..... kind of weird. But in companies salaries are normally confidential too (You can't ask a company to say how much this guy or this guy is paid) People tell but that's because they are not contractually obliged to shut their mouth :p. In anyway if you are between those two numbers things are going well for you and it's well deserved Sir Biscuit.
Wait ... we are on the internet. YOU TOPHAT MADMAN IS EARNING MORE THAN ME ! I HATE YOU DISPISE YOU AND HOPE THAT WEIRD THING HAPPENS TO YOUR CAT ! (did i do this right ?) :p
No one talks like that and I thought TB hated strawman and circle jerks. Normal people get mad at internet personalities because often they get paid to express a personality or opinion that they only get away with due to their popularity and not any specific merit or logical argument, same with any position of privilege really. Sure there's the vocal minority that post jealous hateful comments because they don't realize the amount of work going into running a successful <anything>, but being an internet personality means you are deriving your revenue explicitly from that mass media exposure, so it has all the benefits and vices of existing celebrity culture.
I'm sure TB doesn't see himself as that and is attempting to interject some quality into his work (I would know, I've followed him since Blue Plz and EPIC with kikijiki (where is that dude nowadays any ways)), but that's what alot of people see internet / streaming / youtube personalities as, just another format of the horrible celebrity culture that they could do with out but is getting constantly barraged with everywhere they go.
As for the death threats part, TB, do you report that to the authorities, or is it something you just deal with? It really is terrible to hear. We got your back though.
So Destiny makes about 100k a year? And that's after he lowered his numbers to not make himself appear too rich, he prolly makes something closer to 150k+ heh
Yeah Twitch money is insane, personalities like Sodapoppin etc who are hitting the 6k + subscribers is just unreal. Or when you watch a stream and see like 20 subs a day you just think wow.
On April 22 2015 17:07 Pandemona wrote: Yeah Twitch money is insane, personalities like Sodapoppin etc who are hitting the 6k + subscribers is just unreal. Or when you watch a stream and see like 20 subs a day you just think wow.
But 20 subs a day * $5 each is $100 a day. That isn't a lot of money as Twitch takes some of it too. It isn't very 'wow'?
Stress in your job generally scales with the amount of money you make. For online content creators, it's especially rough. They have to deal with the dark side of the online community. You have to have a thick hide for that stuff. Props to TotalBiscuit and others who are open about it.
On April 22 2015 17:07 Pandemona wrote: Yeah Twitch money is insane, personalities like Sodapoppin etc who are hitting the 6k + subscribers is just unreal. Or when you watch a stream and see like 20 subs a day you just think wow.
But 20 subs a day * $5 each is $100 a day. That isn't a lot of money as Twitch takes some of it too. It isn't very 'wow'?
Stress in your job generally scales with the amount of money you make. For online content creators, it's especially rough. They have to deal with the dark side of the online community. You have to have a thick hide for that stuff. Props to TotalBiscuit and others who are open about it.
I think he means that if you make 20 subs a day, and stream over a decent span of time, you will reach very quickly 1000+ subscribers if you haven't already.
Besides, I don't like how streamers make much more money than average progamers who don't have a popular stream, but that's just me.
From my time on youtube (granted I had a very small channel), I found the true numbers are usually relatively close to the middle of the socialblade estimates. They usually just take the view numbers, estimate roughly how many people are eligible to generate CPM revenue and then take the minimum and maximum CPM.
However, that's just how I personally felt and from what I saw in my ad revenue. Could be way off for other people, depending on what kind of ads (low/high CPM) are mostly shown.
However, this is also just pure ad revenue. Most full time youtubers also get some money/benefits in other ways, like contractual work or whatever.
I don't have much experience with twitch, but I've heard it's not that easy to live off it too. I find the youtube/twitch stuff quite interesting, but that live is not for me.
"Bonnell, a mega-popular streamer known for his skill in StarCraft" lol
Let's be frank, Destiny can probably roll 95% of the users here on TL without breaking a sweat, but it is not his skill in Starcraft 2 why he is so well-known and popular.
What he does is not a real job. He makes 7-8k a month playing video games according to this writeup.
The only reason streamers promote the idea that it's a job is to 1) discourage competition and 2) keep the donation revenue rolling. It does require a combination of luck and skill as well as the privilege of having lots of free time for building up an audience up but it's definitely not comparable to any form of labor or other forms of legal slavery that we call "work" or having an actual job.
On April 22 2015 18:40 DemigodcelpH wrote: What he does is not a real job. He makes 7-8k a month playing video games according to this writeup.
The only reason streamers promote the idea that it's a job is to 1) discourage competition and 2) keep the donation revenue rolling. It does require a combination of luck and skill as well as the privilege of having lots of free time for building up an audience up but it's definitely not comparable to any form of labor or other forms of legal slavery that we call "work" or having an actual job.
On April 22 2015 18:40 DemigodcelpH wrote: What he does is not a real job. .
hahaha SEE? I told you this guy would show up. Tell me, how is being part of the entertainment industry not a real job?
As for the death threats part, TB, do you report that to the authorities, or is it something you just deal with? It really is terrible to hear. We got your back though.
We havent. Reason being these threats are non-specific. If we thought any of them actually knew where we lived because they had exhibited knowledge of information that was not public and easy to find, we'd have gone to the police, but none of them did. That's kinda the difference between a "Credible" threat and one which is just someone being a piece of shit online. Let's be frank, 99.99% of death threats online are not acted upon and we have no reason to believe any of these ones will be.
On April 22 2015 18:40 DemigodcelpH wrote: What he does is not a real job. He makes 7-8k a month playing video games according to this writeup.
The only reason streamers promote the idea that it's a job is to 1) discourage competition and 2) keep the donation revenue rolling. It does require a combination of luck and skill as well as the privilege of having lots of free time for building up an audience up but it's definitely not comparable to any form of labor or other forms of legal slavery that we call "work" or having an actual job.
I'm actually wondering if this is a very elaborate troll or not
On April 22 2015 10:12 -Switch- wrote: "Bonnell works roughly 60 hours a week" lol
Assuming you're not doubting the actual amount of time he puts into his stream, how is his work less valid than someone who sits in an office plugging numbers into a spreadsheet?
There was also a tournament that he organized, which took a huge amount of time to pull together.
That tournament was phenomenal, and he got so much unjustified hate from being transparent with donation distribution iirc.
He works his ass off.
it really saddened me when people flamed him over the internet because he made money out of his tournament.
it was fucking pathetic.
Community toxicity has been on the rise as of late. The reaction to Lycans Patreon launch on Reddit was nothing short of disgusting. There's no doubt that previous crowdfunding efforts and botches have poisoned the well but the open hostility from some people was a disgrace. Civility is a lost art it seems.
No. It has always been toxic. We're talking about video gaming culture here and it hasn't changed much since the early days. People still think adolescent kids yet our generation of gamers are now adults having kids who grew up with the ataris and nintendos of the world.
I wouldn't blame kickstarter programs for it. In either case their is too much focus on the negative rather than the positive.
On April 22 2015 11:02 Shadowfyre wrote: I would like to point out to people who say that Destiny/other streamers don't have a "real job". They do. A valid job at that, as well as the fact that Destiny has stated that he has held several job doing physical labor and the like and has said that streaming professionally is just about as hard as those jobs, if not harder.
In my experience, those who use the "real job" argument do so out of jealousy and little more than that. Does it pay money? Then its a real job, the money is just as real as everyone elses.
I don't really know, maybe I'm being too conservative, but for me there's a great deal of difference between producing professional videos on a weekly basis for educational or entertainment purposes on the one hand, and just goofing off in Minecraft and uploading let's plays.
"Does it pay money, then it's a real job" doesn't work for me. By that logic, winning the lottery is a job, being the owner of the grumpy cat is a job, sucking off Kanye West (rapper?) is a job.
On April 22 2015 11:02 Shadowfyre wrote: I would like to point out to people who say that Destiny/other streamers don't have a "real job". They do. A valid job at that, as well as the fact that Destiny has stated that he has held several job doing physical labor and the like and has said that streaming professionally is just about as hard as those jobs, if not harder.
In my experience, those who use the "real job" argument do so out of jealousy and little more than that. Does it pay money? Then its a real job, the money is just as real as everyone elses.
I don't really know, maybe I'm being too conservative, but for me there's a great deal of difference between producing professional videos on a weekly basis for educational or entertainment purposes on the one hand, and just goofing off in Minecraft and uploading let's plays.
"Does it pay money, then it's a real job" doesn't work for me. By that logic, winning the lottery is a job, being the owner of the grumpy cat is a job, sucking off Kanye West (rapper?) is a job.
This is maybe 60% envy and 40% logic speaking.
Let's break down what you just said.
Your opinion of what is a job is entirely irrelevant to the bank. The money is real, it comes in regularly as the result of a job, it is a job. You say "winning the lottery" is a job. Winning the lottery does not require 40-60 (in my case 80) hour work weeks. Being the owner of Grumpy Cat is absolutely a job, they're constantly on planes all over the country, they're constantly negotiating merchandising deals, this persons entire life has been taken over by managing the brand of a fucking cat and I can bet you some of my "fake job" money that it's hardw ork. As for sucking off Kanye West for money, thats not legal, but it also happens to be the oldest profession in the world.
Here's the reality. New "jobs" are invented all the time. There's this famous quote that gets told to kids in elementary school which to paraphrase says "some of you are going to have jobs that aren't even invented yet".
Being a TV or Radio star IS A JOB. Being a streaming star, an industry that did not exist a few years ago, is now also a job. Watching gameplay is this generations form of entertainment, it's a brand new thing that's only been around a few years and yes some people made it a legitimate, viable career. Many fail, but many also fail to get anywhere as actors, doesn't make the real actors any less.
Are you paid a predictable salary based on hours works x some other value (in this case, ads watched)? Then it's a job. Pure and simple. You don't have to be mining coal for it to be a real job, that's a ridiculous attitude.
On April 22 2015 11:02 Shadowfyre wrote: I would like to point out to people who say that Destiny/other streamers don't have a "real job". They do. A valid job at that, as well as the fact that Destiny has stated that he has held several job doing physical labor and the like and has said that streaming professionally is just about as hard as those jobs, if not harder.
In my experience, those who use the "real job" argument do so out of jealousy and little more than that. Does it pay money? Then its a real job, the money is just as real as everyone elses.
I don't really know, maybe I'm being too conservative, but for me there's a great deal of difference between producing professional videos on a weekly basis for educational or entertainment purposes on the one hand, and just goofing off in Minecraft and uploading let's plays.
"Does it pay money, then it's a real job" doesn't work for me. By that logic, winning the lottery is a job, being the owner of the grumpy cat is a job, sucking off Kanye West (rapper?) is a job.
On April 22 2015 11:02 Shadowfyre wrote: I would like to point out to people who say that Destiny/other streamers don't have a "real job". They do. A valid job at that, as well as the fact that Destiny has stated that he has held several job doing physical labor and the like and has said that streaming professionally is just about as hard as those jobs, if not harder.
In my experience, those who use the "real job" argument do so out of jealousy and little more than that. Does it pay money? Then its a real job, the money is just as real as everyone elses.
I don't really know, maybe I'm being too conservative, but for me there's a great deal of difference between producing professional videos on a weekly basis for educational or entertainment purposes on the one hand, and just goofing off in Minecraft and uploading let's plays.
"Does it pay money, then it's a real job" doesn't work for me. By that logic, winning the lottery is a job, being the owner of the grumpy cat is a job, sucking off Kanye West (rapper?) is a job.
This is maybe 60% envy and 40% logic speaking.
I can bet you some of my "fake job" money that it's hardw ork.
Well, I certainly wasn't calling your job fake, in fact I specifically took you out of the equation. Same goes for Destiny, who has not just worked on his brand for years, but who obviously puts in quite a few hours and hosts tournaments, etc.
This woman was interviewed because there was a fire:
Years later, because people seemed to find her reaction funny, she's a millionaire. If that's not closer to winning the lottery than to a profession, I don't know what is.
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