EPTOn April 16 2015 01:45 Darthsanta13 wrote:
I bet people said the same thing about BW match fixing allegations.
I bet people said the same thing about BW match fixing allegations.
Yes but they eventually had actual proof, not just betting lines
Pinnacle voids Soulkey vs Creator bets - Page 11
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
Yes but they eventually had actual proof, not just betting lines | ||
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sharkie
Austria18402 Posts
On April 16 2015 01:29 sitromit wrote: This sounds like bullshit to me, sorry. Soulkey is a player who has a legitimate chance at a high finish when he's on form. Why would he throw away not only his chance to get into Code S, but also at making WCS top 16 and going to Blizzcon? Why would the most popular BW zerg player (savior) ever fix matches? -.- There is no "he is so good and so rich he surely won't matchfix" logic. BW proved us that | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On April 16 2015 01:46 maGicc wrote: I am not sure why you so emotionally invested in this, but all your posts very weak when it comes to arguments. Its a battle of simple data vs emotions, and its clear on which side you are on. Its not an issue of "trusting a bunch of gamblers", its trusting the data. The data is out there, its neutral, its just facts. You are choosing to ignore it, but it doesnt make it less true. Your "data" is betting lines, that does not constitute evidence. Data isn't neutral when it is provided by someone with a staked interest in it. What the hell is wrong with you? | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On April 16 2015 01:29 Penev wrote: Isn't it the same really? http://www.mijnwoordenboek.nl/vertaal/NL/EN/bewijs It's becáuse it's a homonym in dutch that confusion could rise. | ||
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
On April 16 2015 01:48 LongShot27 wrote: Your "data" is betting lines, that does not constitute evidence. Data isn't neutral when it is provided by someone with a staked interest in it. What the hell is wrong with you? Yes it is neutral. Unless you are implying that Pinnacle is fixing/faking the betting lines to void the match before it even started. Is that what you are implying? Are you serious? Also, "a betting line does not constitute evidence" when it comes to matchfixing? Really? You are a joke, or a troll. | ||
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Penev
28476 Posts
On April 16 2015 01:50 maGicc wrote: Yes it is neutral. Unless you are implying that Pinnacle is fixing/faking the betting lines to void the match before it even started. Is that what you are implying? Are you serious? You are a joke. It seems, indeed, that that's exactly what he's implying. No matter though, the only thing that does is that important people open their mouths about this. So far, none did.. :/ Edit: Also: 11 pages, sorry Gumba | ||
digmouse
China6329 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On April 16 2015 01:58 digmouse wrote: At this point I'm not sure about the purpose of these kind of thread any more. To let people know that they're watching a fixed sport, which some people actually don't care to do. Some like pro-wrestling, and others like actual competition | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
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swag_bro
Japan782 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:02 boxerfred wrote: I'm getting closer and closer to being done with Korean SC2. Sorry to break it to you man, but Korean SC2, hell even foreign SC2, has always been like this. | ||
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
On April 16 2015 01:58 digmouse wrote: At this point I'm not sure about the purpose of these kind of thread any more. it's true, the discussion doesn't seem to serve much purpose. TL could do a weekly update on all the voided bets and suspicious games from that week. Or a page on liquipedia that keeps track of it. There could even be a leader board for the players involved in the most matches with voided bets. | ||
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Penev
28476 Posts
On April 16 2015 02:03 Qwyn wrote: This is dangerous and depressing to speculate about . It is depressing (don't see why dangerous) but probably better than going full ostrich imo | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
Even if it's hard to proof who exactly is fixing*, the evidence undeniably shows that it's happening and it's happening frequently. *Except MK. My reaction to that as I saw it live was: "He just intentionally threw the match ...", and that was before I knew about dodgy betting behaviour. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On April 16 2015 02:05 swag_bro wrote: Sorry to break it to you man, but Korean SC2, hell even foreign SC2, has always been like this. swag_bro, you're supposed to be funny not sad On April 16 2015 02:05 Popkiller wrote: it's true, the discussion doesn't seem to serve much purpose. TL could do a weekly update on all the voided bets and suspicious games from that week. Or a page on liquipedia that keeps track of it. There could even be a leader board for the players involved in the most matches with voided bets. MarineKing can finally be the best in Korea at something | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
On April 16 2015 02:03 Qwyn wrote: This is dangerous and depressing to speculate about . When the bets getting voided weekly and ppl like Huk/Rekrul confirm matchfixing in korea its not really a speculation anymore in my opinion. | ||
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digmouse
China6329 Posts
On April 16 2015 02:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: To let people know that they're watching a fixed sport, which some people actually don't care to do. Some like pro-wrestling, and others like actual competition Sure, maybe, but are we really getting solid evidence/reasoning, constructive discussion or whatever in here now? | ||
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phil.ipp
Austria1067 Posts
On April 16 2015 01:50 maGicc wrote: Yes it is neutral. Unless you are implying that Pinnacle is fixing/faking the betting lines to void the match before it even started. Is that what you are implying? Are you serious? Also, "a betting line does not constitute evidence" when it comes to matchfixing? Really? You are a joke, or a troll. Sorry but, these "data" are not facts, you didnt collect them yourself, you dont even know how they are collected, they are just presented to you, and you, because of reasons unknown to me, believe in them. the only fact here is that you believe these data to be true, you dont know anything. a bit of reservation would do you pretty good. of course all this doesnt mean the data isnt correct. and you are of course free to draw any conclusion you want from it. but lashing out to people who say these data are maybe not neutral, is i think far more than you should ever do, when all your information is just a press release of a gambling site. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On April 16 2015 02:10 digmouse wrote: Sure, maybe, but are we really getting solid evidence/reasoning, constructive discussion or whatever in here now? No, but do most threads have solid reasoning and discussion? Not really. I'm not sure if it's better to sweep this under the rug and just stop watching Korean tournaments for good or publicize this as much as possible, but honestly people should know they're favorite players are taking bribes. If I were a big Soulkey fan I'd like to know to stop doing that | ||
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
On April 16 2015 02:05 Popkiller wrote: it's true, the discussion doesn't seem to serve much purpose. TL could do a weekly update on all the voided bets and suspicious games from that week. Or a page on liquipedia that keeps track of it. There could even be a leader board for the players involved in the most matches with voided bets. The purpose is to educate as much people as possible. Problem is, community is still being treated as clueless sheeps. I am sorry but when Wolf says on air that "its best we all just forget about it" after the most blatant case of the matchfix - its pretty freaking offensive to any intellegent viewer out there. | ||
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