EPT[WCS] Finals Weekend Recap - Page 3
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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Rob-Zero
Germany460 Posts
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Faraday
United States553 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On April 06 2015 18:05 opisska wrote: While I was cheering for Polt out of sheer love for him, it's kinda pity that Hydra didn't win, because that would expose the absurdity of this WCS to the maximum. Polt at least is someone who truly lives outside Korea for a reason and it would be honestly difficult for him to compete in Korean tournaments. But Hydra? This guy just shows that the only three things standing between a horde of sufficiently high-level Koreans ) and easy money and WCS points are willingness to move, visa bureaucracy and Polt. Hydra is pretty good for an "export Korean", but there are dozens of guys of comparable skill in Korea who end in Ro16s of the two leagues. The grand finals itself was fantastic games and awesomely nail-biting - for me particularly because of my hatred towards how Hydra got there, so I should actually congratulate WCS for creating that story  but overall this WCS was pretty lame at times and the concept is just wrong. Yes, there were high viewer numbers, but this was the first time, so nobody could know upfront how bad some of the games are going to be. Next time I think people will be more scpetical and tune in only for the eventual Korean-Korean or Korean/Bunny/Snute matches.i don't know; i think this final was way more exciting than a bunny/snute final would have been. | ||
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EvilsPresley
France132 Posts
On April 06 2015 19:15 OtherWorld wrote: ^what? A lot of foreigners gained much more money and exposure than with the former system. I doubt someone like Psionic would have made it to the Challenger League with the old WCS and this season he gained 2K$ and exposure, for instance. A player like ShoWTimE or Kane played in front of a huge in advanced stage of a tournament like they never did before, and they probably gained more money than they would have last year too. A tournament isn't summarized by its finals. You are talking about money. I'm talking about performance and what I watch during tournaments I'm happy if a few more foreigners can make a living by playing SC2, but for me, as a viewer, it doesn't mean much at all. EDIT : OK, I talked about "exposure" in my previous post, that was unclear : I mean high level exposure, not "WCS qualifier level" exposure. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On April 06 2015 19:55 EvilsPresley wrote: You are talking about money. I'm talking about performance and what I watch during tournaments I'm happy if a few more foreigners can make a living by playing SC2, but for me, as a viewer, it doesn't mean much at all. EDIT : OK, I talked about "exposure" in my previous post, that was unclear : I mean high level exposure, not "WCS qualifier level" exposure. WCS exposure is the best exposure besides maybe GSL | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On April 06 2015 19:29 Rob-Zero wrote: Came home from work, saw an all Korean final, immediately did something else. Boring. Thanks Blizzard for making it even easier for Polt to grind his money. No one would have expected Polt vs Hydra in the finals. You missed a fantastic series and come off as a giant asshole. Gratz. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On April 06 2015 10:57 DSK wrote: I knew Polt would win. I was wondering what the commentary and analysis team were smoking when they said Polt would lose to forGG, no disrespect to forGG, of course. Congrats, Captain America, well deserved and well played. Commiserations to Hydra et al. Well, forGG had a winning record against Polt in their most recent matches and forGG is known for his great TvT to begin with. I believed in Polt to win too, but it really was a fairly logical call to favor forGG. | ||
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DeadByDawn
United Kingdom476 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On April 06 2015 20:36 DeadByDawn wrote: So glad to see Hydra lose this after his BM. Not feeling so cocky now are you? Never, ever write Polt off - let's not forget that he was the only Terran player who handled the dark days of blink with finesse. Hydra was the epitome of ROOT in that series | ||
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Mosha
Germany18 Posts
- TLO made it to RO8 - ShoWTimE even to RO4 - PiG dropped out at RO16 (I don't like that fact, that he appeared in WCS for his first time and immediately acted like he has been a veteran for many years. All these tweets and posts... Gosh.. Hope, we won't see them again any soon. - Since i nevery believed in a foreigner to go to the finals, i am glad that it was no mirror, went through 7 games and had an amazing comeback-story. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On April 06 2015 19:10 EvilsPresley wrote: I'm a bit on Opiskka's side: what is the point of the new WCS rules if we end up with a kr vs kr final in WCS? No foreigner beat any single korean during the week end. Sure, Bunny had a good fight against Polt, but in the end, Polt won. If the new WCS rules are meant to give exposure to foreigners, it's a fail. Snute was 17th in WCS rankings last year. I bet that no foreigner will be top 20 this year, because foreigners are just not on same level. Maybe because they meet less koreans now? So in the end, all the WCS rules broke the travelling kr (MC, Jaedong, Stardust...) but did not help foreigners at all. Now WCS system will give 2/3 slots for foreign koreans to join Blizzcon (yay, get a VISA, get a decent level, reach top 16!), where they will get destroyed in first round by Kespaers/Parting and then it will just be another mini GSL. This week end plays were good, but the overall impact on the scene was really disapointing for me :-( The point was never to ban all Koreans from playing in WCS. The point is to give the non-Korean scenes more breathing room by both making it harder for commuting Koreans to hover up all the WCS prize money. They did this by both making it impossible for Koreans to participate in WCS without making a long term commitment to the area they want to compete in and by creating more opportunities in the Korean scene, giving less incentive for Koreans to leave their oversaturated home scene. It worked. The vast majority of Koreans stay at home where they now have 2 big tournaments to compete in, giving much more players exposure and prize money in Korea itself and there were 2 foreigners in the semi finals of WCS. I'd hardly consider that a fail. And both Polt and forGG have been living in the US/EU for years now, they're part of those scenes and are unlikely to leave any time soon. You might as well consider them foreigners now. There really is not a sensible reason to ban them from playing in WCS. IMO the EU scene is stronger than it has ever been, with new talents like Serral, Marinelord and Lilbow comming into their own. | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On April 06 2015 19:15 OtherWorld wrote: ^what? A lot of foreigners gained much more money and exposure than with the former system. I doubt someone like Psionic would have made it to the Challenger League with the old WCS and this season he gained 2K$ and exposure, for instance. A player like ShoWTimE or Kane played in front of a huge in advanced stage of a tournament like they never did before, and they probably gained more money than they would have last year too. A tournament isn't summarized by its finals. Exactly lol, and also look at the prize pool. WCS 2015 has a much bigger one than WCS EU/AM. Bunny and Showtime won $10k for their ro4 which is basically a low tier premier tournament first prize. | ||
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AxiomBlurr
786 Posts
Simply post your enormous respect for the Gweomul that is Polt and move on. PS: Polt your a monster. Enormous respect. | ||
Orlok
Korea (South)227 Posts
I mean, I don't disrespect Hydra as a person; he decided he wanted new experiences in his progaming life, and made a difficult choice to completely move and live in the US, which whatever anyone says, isn't easy for a person who has lived in KR for his whole life and never really learnt english. But as a player, while he was in KR and playing in the GSL, he never got better then Ro.32 and was demoted several times to Code A, and now makes it to a final immediately after switching regions. Like, just....come on. A player who had no real results apart from some decent qualifier runs and tier 2 tournament performances, who was nicknamed the 20 minute zerg for losing games that he was in a dominant position before losing control and submitting losses after the 20 minute mark comes in and busts into the finals of WCS. Not great for WCS; despite shipping off most of the koreans who used to play in WCS EU/NA, I find it difficult to imagine a scenario where the round of 8 for every WCS from now will be pretty much a stomping ground for the few koreans staying, with a couple of brave foreigners trying and failing to beat them in bo.5.s | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On April 06 2015 22:00 Orlok wrote: Wont lie, seeing Hydra getting to a final of a tier 1 premier league tournament that easily, and having an almost laughable ro.4 opponent was rather upsetting. I mean, I don't disrespect Hydra as a person; he decided he wanted new experiences in his progaming life, and made a difficult choice to completely move and live in the US, which whatever anyone says, isn't easy for a person who has lived in KR for his whole life and never really learnt english. But as a player, while he was in KR and playing in the GSL, he never got better then Ro.32 and was demoted several times to Code A, and now makes it to a final immediately after switching regions. Like, just....come on. A player who had no real results apart from some decent qualifier runs and tier 2 tournament performances, who was nicknamed the 20 minute zerg for losing games that he was in a dominant position before losing control and submitting losses after the 20 minute mark comes in and busts into the finals of WCS. Not great for WCS; despite shipping off most of the koreans who used to play in WCS EU/NA, I find it difficult to imagine a scenario where the round of 8 for every WCS from now will be pretty much a stomping ground for the few koreans staying, with a couple of brave foreigners trying and failing to beat them in bo.5.s He ran into Polt, the universe has a way of working things out | ||
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ThePacifist
Korea (South)46 Posts
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KtJ
United States3514 Posts
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