EPTOn March 22 2015 07:41 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
It is Twitch's flaw, but it was something Winter abused. Nvidia's trust was betrayed, and I expect them to be hesitant to trust another streamer now that the flaw was exposed.
We will see what Winter will try to do. His reputation is now tarnished, and he will have to work 5 times as hard to earn back the trust of the audience. If he does try, lets hope he learned from his mistakes.
It is Twitch's flaw, but it was something Winter abused. Nvidia's trust was betrayed, and I expect them to be hesitant to trust another streamer now that the flaw was exposed.
We will see what Winter will try to do. His reputation is now tarnished, and he will have to work 5 times as hard to earn back the trust of the audience. If he does try, lets hope he learned from his mistakes.
Do you have some kind of hidden data somewhere ?
Nvidia's reaction is understandable, i dont think the facts that 1) it was sc2 and 2) it was winter had anything to do with their decision. I dont think they anticipated view botting.
He's still around 1k-1.5 k so dont worry about him :p
On March 22 2015 21:24 hZCube wrote:
Yeah, it surprises me how many people are still talking as though it's a foregone conclusion that Winter did indeed viewbot himself, despite no hard evidence to that effect (all circumstantial). I hope someday people summary judgement you with such short thrift, and you are given an opportunity to prove yourself innocent, despite knowing that such proof cannot exist.
Must be fun for him :/
Innocent until proven guilty. It's such a basic concept, I'm just surprised so many people can disregard it so completely, as to believe that it doesn't apply in some cases, of their choosing.
This is why we can crucify guilty people, in some cases, actually kill them. Because we understand that once proven guilty, there is no doubt. Until then, it's a lynchmob out to hunt an outsider.
Fact is, several vocal people have always disliked Winter, stemming as far as I can see from his origins. He didn't cut his teeth as a pro gamer in tournaments, so he's not allowed to join the boys club. People citing Idra as a pin up from time gone past.. Are you serious? Idra was a horrible horrible person and example of how to be an ass online. Yes, he got viewers, but then again so did a certain video featuring some girls and a cup. It's not good content, it's shocking, and pleases the angsty raging teenagers who thrive on that drama.
People say Winter didn't have a quality broadcast, and should of put time into increasing that. I can only assume you haven't watched his broadcast then. His overlay, setup, is second to none in sc2. His format is great, his viewer interaction is good, often they get to pick what he's doing. But no, he didn't get a green screen, didn't setup interactive games, didn't craft a slick looking UI with tons of helpful tips and links, and didn't reach GM, legitimately, on ladder. Oh, wait, yes he did.
Don't get me wrong, it looks like something suspicious might of happened early doors, heck, I'm a business man, shit happens in the real world. Sadly, we'll probably never know for sure what happened. And we'll probably not know what's currently happening either.
Simply put, as I've said before, in the current technical situation, viewers is a horribly corrupt metric to use to measure a channels success, as proven here. Subscribers is a harder metric to fake. Why not use that?
Yeah, it surprises me how many people are still talking as though it's a foregone conclusion that Winter did indeed viewbot himself, despite no hard evidence to that effect (all circumstantial). I hope someday people summary judgement you with such short thrift, and you are given an opportunity to prove yourself innocent, despite knowing that such proof cannot exist.
Must be fun for him :/
Innocent until proven guilty. It's such a basic concept, I'm just surprised so many people can disregard it so completely, as to believe that it doesn't apply in some cases, of their choosing.
This is why we can crucify guilty people, in some cases, actually kill them. Because we understand that once proven guilty, there is no doubt. Until then, it's a lynchmob out to hunt an outsider.
Fact is, several vocal people have always disliked Winter, stemming as far as I can see from his origins. He didn't cut his teeth as a pro gamer in tournaments, so he's not allowed to join the boys club. People citing Idra as a pin up from time gone past.. Are you serious? Idra was a horrible horrible person and example of how to be an ass online. Yes, he got viewers, but then again so did a certain video featuring some girls and a cup. It's not good content, it's shocking, and pleases the angsty raging teenagers who thrive on that drama.
People say Winter didn't have a quality broadcast, and should of put time into increasing that. I can only assume you haven't watched his broadcast then. His overlay, setup, is second to none in sc2. His format is great, his viewer interaction is good, often they get to pick what he's doing. But no, he didn't get a green screen, didn't setup interactive games, didn't craft a slick looking UI with tons of helpful tips and links, and didn't reach GM, legitimately, on ladder. Oh, wait, yes he did.
Don't get me wrong, it looks like something suspicious might of happened early doors, heck, I'm a business man, shit happens in the real world. Sadly, we'll probably never know for sure what happened. And we'll probably not know what's currently happening either.
Simply put, as I've said before, in the current technical situation, viewers is a horribly corrupt metric to use to measure a channels success, as proven here. Subscribers is a harder metric to fake. Why not use that?
Drama, drama, drama^^
I think it's the first time TL addresses the issue of view botting, winter is a notorious streamer and he was caught in the storm for "good" reasons.
Of course, you're entitled to your opinion, fanboy
but once again your forgot that twitch is running the place, it's their problem if they dont want to lose credibility in what's make them an ADVERTISING company. They dont care about subscribers because they dont make money on them compared to regulars ads.If viewbotting is a plague, adblock is death herself.
