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On March 20 2015 00:18 hZCube wrote:
It's ok for a group of fans to grab the pitchforks and go a huntin', but a serious company like Blizzard would need and expect a far higher burden of proof to make decisions on than the current witch hunt seen here.
I'm not at all surprised that Blizzard isn't joining in the hunt and trying to shame Winter. I'd suspect they'd wait until there's some actual confirmation and/or proof, rather than speculation and hearsay. It's how proper organisations are run.
Also potential liability issues from the legal perspective I imagine as well. A multi billion dollar subsidiary of Activision probably doesn't want to be seen or construed as contributing to negative feedback to winter.
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When deciding who has the most active chat, messages from known chat-bots such as moobot and nightbot should be ignored, imo. This also applies to stream-specific chat bots, such as BasetradeTVbot, Winterstarcraftbot, Avilomodbot, HotKoreanGirl, etc.
Many streamers use these automated chat bots to post basic information about themselves, answer questions asked by viewers, do playlists, play games with viewers, or even help to moderate chat. Based on some screenshots I've seen, it appears that Wintergaming used these chatbots more aggressively than other streamers do. I know that he has not one, but two such bots in his channel, both of which respond to commands from viewers, and the loopy bot (can't remember its exact name) plays games with viewers that involve cheese-points or something, which encourages viewers to spam !cheese repeatedly.
Obviously Blizzard didn't think about modbots this time around, but if they do these awards next year, I think they should require streamers to declare all chatbots that they are using if they want to be eligible, and to also declare all commands that can be used on said bots. That way they can filter out all messages by bots, and all messages that are simply commands issued to those bots, from their logs before calculating a streamer's chat speed.
Gotta hand it to winter, it was pretty clever to add loopybot and have him play spammy chat-games with viewers to try and counter accusations that his chat was too slow. And it seems to have duped Blizzard at least.
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On March 19 2015 18:24 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 18:16 HsDLTitich wrote:Unlike the community voted categories, “Most Active Chat” and “Most Dedicated Viewer” are data-driven, due to this we wanted to ensure the integrity of the statistics provided remained intact. With the assistance of Twitch, we have determined there is no evidence that should exclude or disqualify the Wintergaming channel from placing in any of the following categories:
• “Most Active Chat”
• “Most Dedicated Viewer” http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/16716091473So it seems that Blizzard and Twitch don't think that a random dude writing a wall of text on Reddit and Avilo being salty on Youtube are right, what a surprise. Blizzard giving 0 fucks about an issue is a proof this isn't an issue nowadays ?
Yes, that means that map-hacking is not an issue at all.
Also, I want a cookie for resisting the temptation to use a certain twitch-meme after the first sentence. Chewy Chips-Ahoy reeses cup, if possible.
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On March 19 2015 18:16 HsDLTitich wrote:Show nested quote +Unlike the community voted categories, “Most Active Chat” and “Most Dedicated Viewer” are data-driven, due to this we wanted to ensure the integrity of the statistics provided remained intact. With the assistance of Twitch, we have determined there is no evidence that should exclude or disqualify the Wintergaming channel from placing in any of the following categories:
• “Most Active Chat”
• “Most Dedicated Viewer” http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/16716091473So it seems that Blizzard and Twitch don't think that a random dude writing a wall of text on Reddit and Avilo being salty on Youtube are right, what a surprise.
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This statement of blizzard is so funny an stupid. The socalled integrity of the statistics are already fuck by the fact that twitch cannot detect accurately viewers/chat bot and therefore cannot have clear evidence QED.
why this really really really dumb statement concerning wintergaming channel ? Did pple harass you, blizzard, for that ? dont worry and give us names.
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On March 20 2015 00:18 hZCube wrote:
It's ok for a group of fans to grab the pitchforks and go a huntin', but a serious company like Blizzard would need and expect a far higher burden of proof to make decisions on than the current witch hunt seen here.
I'm not at all surprised that Blizzard isn't joining in the hunt and trying to shame Winter. I'd suspect they'd wait until there's some actual confirmation and/or proof, rather than speculation and hearsay. It's how proper organisations are run.
so how do you feel about NVIDIA?
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I've skimmed this thread but didn't have time to read everything.
I don't really understand why there is so much discussion about Winter? Winter is finished. Spring starts tomorrow.
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On March 20 2015 06:51 kingjames01 wrote:
I've skimmed this thread but didn't have time to read everything.
I don't really understand why there is so much discussion about Winter? Winter is finished. Spring starts tomorrow.
it still gonna snow here 
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On March 20 2015 06:51 kingjames01 wrote:
I've skimmed this thread but didn't have time to read everything.
I don't really understand why there is so much discussion about Winter? Winter is finished. Spring starts tomorrow.
Hey, not true! > : (
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Let's be real, being featured in TL was relevant maybe 3 years ago... Dead game is dead. And that sucks. I will enjoy my ban, but you know its true.
User was temp banned for this post.
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The game is nowhere near dead. Do you remember that BW had a "small" community aswell?
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On March 20 2015 22:30 TurboMaN wrote:
The game is nowhere near dead. Do you remember that BW had a "small" community aswell?
small? probably before W3. After that, it was a microcosmos. i'll be worry when we'll start not playing on B.net 2.0
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Damn, I remember when best sc2 streamers had like 11k viewers, now there is not even close to 2k, hell if some caster got 1k, it is something amazing. even turnamets like zotac had more than 1k easly. this game went so deep down it is sad.
even if somebody dosn't like it, it's still truth. numbers are not lying.
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On March 21 2015 04:23 ozyy wrote:
Damn, I remember when best sc2 streamers had like 11k viewers, now there is not even close to 2k, hell if some caster got 1k, it is something amazing. even turnamets like zotac had more than 1k easly. this game went so deep down it is sad.
even if somebody dosn't like it, it's still truth. numbers are not lying.
What stream that wasn't some kind of novelty stream ever had 11k for SC2?
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On March 21 2015 04:24 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 04:23 ozyy wrote:
Damn, I remember when best sc2 streamers had like 11k viewers, now there is not even close to 2k, hell if some caster got 1k, it is something amazing. even turnamets like zotac had more than 1k easly. this game went so deep down it is sad.
even if somebody dosn't like it, it's still truth. numbers are not lying. What stream that wasn't some kind of novelty stream ever had 11k for SC2?
Maybe dailies shortly after release?
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On March 21 2015 04:24 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 04:23 ozyy wrote:
Damn, I remember when best sc2 streamers had like 11k viewers, now there is not even close to 2k, hell if some caster got 1k, it is something amazing. even turnamets like zotac had more than 1k easly. this game went so deep down it is sad.
even if somebody dosn't like it, it's still truth. numbers are not lying. What stream that wasn't some kind of novelty stream ever had 11k for SC2?
idra, koreans players, tl players, believe there were such streamers who were 11k or close to that number. well known players had easly 2k like tlo, liquid hero and now? check right table and answer yourself.
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On March 21 2015 04:31 ozyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 04:24 KeksX wrote:On March 21 2015 04:23 ozyy wrote:
Damn, I remember when best sc2 streamers had like 11k viewers, now there is not even close to 2k, hell if some caster got 1k, it is something amazing. even turnamets like zotac had more than 1k easly. this game went so deep down it is sad.
even if somebody dosn't like it, it's still truth. numbers are not lying. What stream that wasn't some kind of novelty stream ever had 11k for SC2? idra, koreans players, tl players, believe there were such streamers who were 11k or close to that number. well known players had easly 2k like tlo, liquid hero and now? check right table and answer yourself.
I'm pretty sure IdrA never had 11k often, he and Stephano always peaked at like 8k after a drama. Korean streamers sometimes hit 10k+ and averaged on 5k like JaeDong but it was always a novelty seeing them streaming.
TLO could easily pull 2k now if he wanted to, even Moonglade pulled 1.3k today. [No offense to Moonglade he's a great streamer]
I think you're just nostalgic for some reason. Use the waybackmachine and pick any day of 2012~2014, you'll see that SC2 always was inbetween 3k and 9k [if there was nothing special going on], currently we're at 6k with nothing special going on either.
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On March 21 2015 04:23 ozyy wrote:
Damn, I remember when best sc2 streamers had like 11k viewers, now there is not even close to 2k, hell if some caster got 1k, it is something amazing. even turnamets like zotac had more than 1k easly. this game went so deep down it is sad.
even if somebody dosn't like it, it's still truth. numbers are not lying.
back then 2k-2k was even more amazing because twitch's ecosystem of viewers was a lot smaller
it's worse when you consider relative to other games on twitch, SC2 had a much larger chunk of the pie and the chat activity.
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On March 21 2015 04:23 ozyy wrote:
Damn, I remember when best sc2 streamers had like 11k viewers, now there is not even close to 2k, hell if some caster got 1k, it is something amazing. even turnamets like zotac had more than 1k easly. this game went so deep down it is sad.
even if somebody dosn't like it, it's still truth. numbers are not lying.
Even if it was true (which it isn't ) I don't see the point of posting this here. Maybe make a blog about it?
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