Revised Featured Stream Requirements for 2015 - Page 20

On March 18 2015 09:05 ROOTFayth wrote:
I vote for Fenner to be featured

On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
As far as I can tell, viewbotting if done properly will be virtually undetectable by twitch. Done properly, the companies hosting would be using botnet slaves, and so coming from totally valid IPs, and could easily run a single stream per machine, assuming they had a small to mid sized botnet. All they need to do is actually consume the data as a normal client would, hey dont even really really need to render it.

I'd assume they count anonymous viewers too (so not in the chat), who aren't signed in, such as through teamliquids in page hosting, and twitchs own site.

Simply put, viewer figures are meaningless when it's so easy to artificially manipulate, and from a technical level, it's almost impossible to prevent. It strikes me that whilst far from perfect, subscriber numbers seems a more accurate indicator, and would be far far more costly to try to game. Again, there's tons of problems with that, but pure maximum/average concurrent viewers, when the numbers can't really be trusted, just seems a weak metric.


Also, when can we crush the idea that people only want to watch GM elite tourny winning geeks. They don't. Mainstream fans want simple shit they can understand, that is fun, and engaging (streamer talking constantly). They don't want to learn how to be super pro to compete with MMA or Life, they want to have some fun, and giggle at silly things, and be amazed and so so skill. There does seem to be some really salty comments here and over at reddit, slamming Winter far harder than he deserves for what appears to be some initial gaming of the system, that nobody really took a strong stance on years ago, and who know what recently, but, sadly for all sides, not a lot of which seems prove able.


Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try.

On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
As far as I can tell, viewbotting if done properly will be virtually undetectable by twitch. Done properly, the companies hosting would be using botnet slaves, and so coming from totally valid IPs, and could easily run a single stream per machine, assuming they had a small to mid sized botnet. All they need to do is actually consume the data as a normal client would, hey dont even really really need to render it.

I'd assume they count anonymous viewers too (so not in the chat), who aren't signed in, such as through teamliquids in page hosting, and twitchs own site.

Simply put, viewer figures are meaningless when it's so easy to artificially manipulate, and from a technical level, it's almost impossible to prevent. It strikes me that whilst far from perfect, subscriber numbers seems a more accurate indicator, and would be far far more costly to try to game. Again, there's tons of problems with that, but pure maximum/average concurrent viewers, when the numbers can't really be trusted, just seems a weak metric.


Also, when can we crush the idea that people only want to watch GM elite tourny winning geeks. They don't. Mainstream fans want simple shit they can understand, that is fun, and engaging (streamer talking constantly). They don't want to learn how to be super pro to compete with MMA or Life, they want to have some fun, and giggle at silly things, and be amazed and so so skill. There does seem to be some really salty comments here and over at reddit, slamming Winter far harder than he deserves for what appears to be some initial gaming of the system, that nobody really took a strong stance on years ago, and who know what recently, but, sadly for all sides, not a lot of which seems prove able.


Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try.

On March 18 2015 10:25 oOOoOphidian wrote:
I suppose it's slightly off topic, but could a way to hide Heroes streams from the featured stream list be added? This option exists for other games.

Love these featured streamer changes, I'm glad you guys are putting effort into promoting the right people.

On March 18 2015 10:27 lichter wrote:


Turn on your filters, then click on "Other" to remove non Starcraft2 or BW games. If people are streaming other games but are pinned to SC2, then they forgot to change their game status. That's their responsibility, and will be reprimanded if they keep forgetting.

On March 18 2015 10:38 oOOoOphidian wrote:

I mean on this page: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/
The feature is working for the sidebar, but not there. I see streamers set to Heroes of the Storm and are not hidden with these settings. Am I just doing it wrong?

On March 18 2015 10:47 lichter wrote:


Yeah that lists everything. Probably won't get that option until TL 2.0, since the stream page layout was made well before TL started covering multiple games.

On March 18 2015 10:13 lichter wrote:
[*] Ketroc - Another guy that produces a lot of good youtube content, Ketroc isn't the most active streamer, hurting his view count. If he starts being more consistent we're sure he'll get there

On March 18 2015 19:18 iamMal wrote:


thnx lichter!
im trying. i always have been.
so hopefully i can meet the requirements in near future!

On March 18 2015 10:13 lichter wrote:
I[*] Zombiegrub - One half of BaseTradeTV, zgrub has been streaming under her own name for a while now
[*] Lowko - This popular streamer also produces some good youtube content
[*] Fenner - As a full time streamer, Fenner has built a solid fan base around his high level play