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ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
March 18 2015 00:05 GMT
#381
I vote for Fenner to be featured
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
March 18 2015 00:15 GMT
#382
On March 18 2015 09:05 ROOTFayth wrote:
I vote for Fenner to be featured

Come back to us Fayth, embrace the salt and get Neural parasited by Sheth once more.
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
March 18 2015 00:15 GMT
#383
On March 18 2015 09:05 ROOTFayth wrote:
I vote for Fenner to be featured

I vote for Fenner to be featured
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Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
March 18 2015 00:22 GMT
#384
On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
As far as I can tell, viewbotting if done properly will be virtually undetectable by twitch. Done properly, the companies hosting would be using botnet slaves, and so coming from totally valid IPs, and could easily run a single stream per machine, assuming they had a small to mid sized botnet. All they need to do is actually consume the data as a normal client would, hey dont even really really need to render it.

I'd assume they count anonymous viewers too (so not in the chat), who aren't signed in, such as through teamliquids in page hosting, and twitchs own site.

Simply put, viewer figures are meaningless when it's so easy to artificially manipulate, and from a technical level, it's almost impossible to prevent. It strikes me that whilst far from perfect, subscriber numbers seems a more accurate indicator, and would be far far more costly to try to game. Again, there's tons of problems with that, but pure maximum/average concurrent viewers, when the numbers can't really be trusted, just seems a weak metric.


Also, when can we crush the idea that people only want to watch GM elite tourny winning geeks. They don't. Mainstream fans want simple shit they can understand, that is fun, and engaging (streamer talking constantly). They don't want to learn how to be super pro to compete with MMA or Life, they want to have some fun, and giggle at silly things, and be amazed and so so skill. There does seem to be some really salty comments here and over at reddit, slamming Winter far harder than he deserves for what appears to be some initial gaming of the system, that nobody really took a strong stance on years ago, and who know what recently, but, sadly for all sides, not a lot of which seems prove able.


Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try.


I doubt a botnet would be used for a viewbot service that's publicly available since what computers are infected by the botnet would be able to be figured out by the police easily since they all connect to twitch and is highly illegal.
Although they would generate ad income and could be run through a hidden browser window with no audio. But yeah its possible some private vendors use it but I think it would be for a very few selected streamers.
Have a nice day ;)
Heinsenzerg
Profile Joined September 2011
Argentina2279 Posts
March 18 2015 00:35 GMT
#385
Easily checkable with a query every hour
maybe its a lot of bandwidth consumption and a pain in the ass
Cazimirbzh
Profile Joined February 2014
334 Posts
March 18 2015 00:41 GMT
#386
On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
As far as I can tell, viewbotting if done properly will be virtually undetectable by twitch. Done properly, the companies hosting would be using botnet slaves, and so coming from totally valid IPs, and could easily run a single stream per machine, assuming they had a small to mid sized botnet. All they need to do is actually consume the data as a normal client would, hey dont even really really need to render it.

I'd assume they count anonymous viewers too (so not in the chat), who aren't signed in, such as through teamliquids in page hosting, and twitchs own site.

Simply put, viewer figures are meaningless when it's so easy to artificially manipulate, and from a technical level, it's almost impossible to prevent. It strikes me that whilst far from perfect, subscriber numbers seems a more accurate indicator, and would be far far more costly to try to game. Again, there's tons of problems with that, but pure maximum/average concurrent viewers, when the numbers can't really be trusted, just seems a weak metric.


Also, when can we crush the idea that people only want to watch GM elite tourny winning geeks. They don't. Mainstream fans want simple shit they can understand, that is fun, and engaging (streamer talking constantly). They don't want to learn how to be super pro to compete with MMA or Life, they want to have some fun, and giggle at silly things, and be amazed and so so skill. There does seem to be some really salty comments here and over at reddit, slamming Winter far harder than he deserves for what appears to be some initial gaming of the system, that nobody really took a strong stance on years ago, and who know what recently, but, sadly for all sides, not a lot of which seems prove able.


Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try.


I though everyone knew that since we have incredible threads about streams (ty conti) and you can always find winter and destiny on the top5.

Viewer figures are not meaningless because twitch makes more money with ads not subscriptions. Also twitch doesnt give a damn about how many pple suscribed they want to show to those who pay to have their ads run that many many many pple will see it.

lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 18 2015 01:13 GMT
#387
In line with our desire to promote more streamers who we believe deserve more recognition, we've decided to grant eight new streamers featured status on Team Liquid. They all deserve the spot as they meet one or more of the requirements that we've set.

First, we're featuring the following streamers for their viewership and the quality of their streams:
  1. Hui - The former yoe Flash Wolves player remains a popular figure in Taiwan
  2. Zombiegrub - One half of BaseTradeTV, zgrub has been streaming under her own name for a while now
  3. Lowko - This popular streamer also produces some good youtube content
  4. Fenner - As a full time streamer, Fenner has built a solid fan base around his high level play
  5. NeuroZerg - One of the most popular zerg streamers, Neuro's zerg commentary deserves a bigger audience
  6. RuFF - We believe RuFF has put his past behind him, and his entertaining style is well liked among stream watchers


We also want to feature more Challenger league players to encourage them to stream more. As you can imagine, we don't know every single Challenger league player that streams, so we're bound to miss the less active ones. So, if you're a Challenger league player that wants to stream more and be featured, please PM us. For now these two players have stated their desire to stream more, so we hope they don't put their featured status to waste and maintain their spot in Challenger.

  • EnDerr
  • Semper


That's it for the newly featured streams, but we'd also like to be transparent and say that we're keeping an eye on a few other streams that we think are close to reaching featured. Among them are:

  • Mal - Everyone knows Mal the translator, and his online tournaments have been a success. His viewer count outside of events needs a boost, so definitely give this guy some more support
  • PiLiPiLi - PiLi is a solid player with a good stream, and he's recently been getting 100+ views. We're waiting to see if his view count stabilizes above 100 before we feature him
  • Ketroc - Another guy that produces a lot of good youtube content, Ketroc isn't the most active streamer, hurting his view count. If he starts being more consistent we're sure he'll get there
  • Miso - This former KT player just started streaming. He's teamless, so you'd better start watching him if you want him to find a new one
  • mcanning - He might not have the viewership required, but his protoss commentary is well liked. One to look out for.
  • SCBoy1 - We want to feature more Chinese streams, and SCBoy, a group including F91 and Xiaose, deserves it, but we want to check their numbers before we do
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 18 2015 01:24 GMT
#388
We're still reviewing some more people and we'll be keeping our eyes on other up-and-coming streams, so please don't fill my inbox with hatemail if I didn't feature you or your favorite streamer.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
March 18 2015 01:25 GMT
#389
I suppose it's slightly off topic, but could a way to hide Heroes streams from the featured stream list be added? This option exists for other games.

Love these featured streamer changes, I'm glad you guys are putting effort into promoting the right people.
Creator of sc2unmasked.com
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 18 2015 01:27 GMT
#390
On March 18 2015 10:25 oOOoOphidian wrote:
I suppose it's slightly off topic, but could a way to hide Heroes streams from the featured stream list be added? This option exists for other games.

Love these featured streamer changes, I'm glad you guys are putting effort into promoting the right people.


Turn on your filters, then click on "Other" to remove non Starcraft2 or BW games. If people are streaming other games but are pinned to SC2, then they forgot to change their game status. That's their responsibility, and will be reprimanded if they keep forgetting.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-18 01:28:16
March 18 2015 01:28 GMT
#391
I remember the clamoring that was needed for avilo to get featured. This is more transparent and efficient. Not too familiar with the others, but fenner is definitely a good choice. Only started watching him a few days ago and he's a good zerg streamer.
rip passion
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
March 18 2015 01:28 GMT
#392
On March 18 2015 10:25 oOOoOphidian wrote:
I suppose it's slightly off topic, but could a way to hide Heroes streams from the featured stream list be added? This option exists for other games.

Love these featured streamer changes, I'm glad you guys are putting effort into promoting the right people.

Try looking here: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/sidebars.php
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
March 18 2015 01:38 GMT
#393
On March 18 2015 10:27 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2015 10:25 oOOoOphidian wrote:
I suppose it's slightly off topic, but could a way to hide Heroes streams from the featured stream list be added? This option exists for other games.

Love these featured streamer changes, I'm glad you guys are putting effort into promoting the right people.


Turn on your filters, then click on "Other" to remove non Starcraft2 or BW games. If people are streaming other games but are pinned to SC2, then they forgot to change their game status. That's their responsibility, and will be reprimanded if they keep forgetting.

I mean on this page: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/
The feature is working for the sidebar, but not there. I see streamers set to Heroes of the Storm and are not hidden with these settings. Am I just doing it wrong?
Creator of sc2unmasked.com
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 18 2015 01:47 GMT
#394
On March 18 2015 10:38 oOOoOphidian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2015 10:27 lichter wrote:
On March 18 2015 10:25 oOOoOphidian wrote:
I suppose it's slightly off topic, but could a way to hide Heroes streams from the featured stream list be added? This option exists for other games.

Love these featured streamer changes, I'm glad you guys are putting effort into promoting the right people.


Turn on your filters, then click on "Other" to remove non Starcraft2 or BW games. If people are streaming other games but are pinned to SC2, then they forgot to change their game status. That's their responsibility, and will be reprimanded if they keep forgetting.

I mean on this page: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/
The feature is working for the sidebar, but not there. I see streamers set to Heroes of the Storm and are not hidden with these settings. Am I just doing it wrong?


Yeah that lists everything. Probably won't get that option until TL 2.0, since the stream page layout was made well before TL started covering multiple games.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
March 18 2015 01:53 GMT
#395
On March 18 2015 10:47 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2015 10:38 oOOoOphidian wrote:
On March 18 2015 10:27 lichter wrote:
On March 18 2015 10:25 oOOoOphidian wrote:
I suppose it's slightly off topic, but could a way to hide Heroes streams from the featured stream list be added? This option exists for other games.

Love these featured streamer changes, I'm glad you guys are putting effort into promoting the right people.


Turn on your filters, then click on "Other" to remove non Starcraft2 or BW games. If people are streaming other games but are pinned to SC2, then they forgot to change their game status. That's their responsibility, and will be reprimanded if they keep forgetting.

I mean on this page: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/
The feature is working for the sidebar, but not there. I see streamers set to Heroes of the Storm and are not hidden with these settings. Am I just doing it wrong?


Yeah that lists everything. Probably won't get that option until TL 2.0, since the stream page layout was made well before TL started covering multiple games.

Ah, okay. It's just that I noticed it hides LoL/Dota and other games fine, except for Heroes. I figured it was a bug.
Creator of sc2unmasked.com
goofyballer
Profile Joined January 2013
United States136 Posts
March 18 2015 05:07 GMT
#396
On March 18 2015 10:13 lichter wrote:
[*] Ketroc - Another guy that produces a lot of good youtube content, Ketroc isn't the most active streamer, hurting his view count. If he starts being more consistent we're sure he'll get there


I guess TL is worried there aren't enough players with gold league mechanics in the featured stream list
iamMal
Profile Joined November 2014
Canada25 Posts
March 18 2015 10:18 GMT
#397
On March 18 2015 10:13 lichter wrote:

  • Mal - Everyone knows Mal the translator, and his online tournaments have been a success. His viewer count outside of events needs a boost, so definitely give this guy some more support



thnx lichter!
im trying. i always have been.
so hopefully i can meet the requirements in near future!
I am Mal aka James the Translator. I do have an ID that I go by, Just saying. XD
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
March 18 2015 11:05 GMT
#398
On March 18 2015 19:18 iamMal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2015 10:13 lichter wrote:

  • Mal - Everyone knows Mal the translator, and his online tournaments have been a success. His viewer count outside of events needs a boost, so definitely give this guy some more support



thnx lichter!
im trying. i always have been.
so hopefully i can meet the requirements in near future!


gl man. consistent streaming goes a long way :D
rip passion
Attunga
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia41 Posts
March 18 2015 11:26 GMT
#399
On March 18 2015 10:13 lichter wrote:
I[*] Zombiegrub - One half of BaseTradeTV, zgrub has been streaming under her own name for a while now
[*] Lowko - This popular streamer also produces some good youtube content
[*] Fenner - As a full time streamer, Fenner has built a solid fan base around his high level play


Excellent choices, especially for Lowko and Fenner who are both awesome entertainers ... and Zombiegrub is pretty ok as well.

mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
March 18 2015 11:38 GMT
#400
I vote Protech to be featured
Age of Mythology forever!
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