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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
March 18 2015 11:59 GMT
#401
On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try.

So there are scripts that automatically solves captchas? Doesn't that kindof make them outdated?
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
March 18 2015 12:19 GMT
#402
On March 18 2015 20:59 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try.

So there are scripts that automatically solves captchas? Doesn't that kindof make them outdated?

They are which is why you see things trending away from captchas or capchas that are much more warped than they used to be.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
March 18 2015 12:53 GMT
#403
On March 18 2015 21:19 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2015 20:59 Cascade wrote:
On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try.

So there are scripts that automatically solves captchas? Doesn't that kindof make them outdated?

They are which is why you see things trending away from captchas or capchas that are much more warped than they used to be.

I actually just said the other day (when presented with a tricky capcha) that at some point computers will be better than humans at solving capchas. :/ Maybe we are getting there already.
hewo
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway119 Posts
March 18 2015 13:00 GMT
#404
On March 18 2015 21:53 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2015 21:19 ThomasjServo wrote:
On March 18 2015 20:59 Cascade wrote:
On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try.

So there are scripts that automatically solves captchas? Doesn't that kindof make them outdated?

They are which is why you see things trending away from captchas or capchas that are much more warped than they used to be.

I actually just said the other day (when presented with a tricky capcha) that at some point computers will be better than humans at solving capchas. :/ Maybe we are getting there already.


There are also "captcha farms" or whatever you want to call them, with people getting payed per captcha they fill out. The submissions are used to bypass spam filters to spam ads on the web. The pay is really low and the work is immensely boring, but never underestimate what people will do to make money in certain parts of the world.
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Cazimirbzh
Profile Joined February 2014
334 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-18 16:00:12
March 18 2015 15:57 GMT
#405
On March 18 2015 22:00 hewo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2015 21:53 Cascade wrote:
On March 18 2015 21:19 ThomasjServo wrote:
On March 18 2015 20:59 Cascade wrote:
On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try.

So there are scripts that automatically solves captchas? Doesn't that kindof make them outdated?

They are which is why you see things trending away from captchas or capchas that are much more warped than they used to be.

I actually just said the other day (when presented with a tricky capcha) that at some point computers will be better than humans at solving capchas. :/ Maybe we are getting there already.


There are also "captcha farms" or whatever you want to call them, with people getting payed per captcha they fill out. The submissions are used to bypass spam filters to spam ads on the web. The pay is really low and the work is immensely boring, but never underestimate what people will do to make money in certain parts of the world.


Automated scripts can solve ez captcha like 2 + 2 or questions or basic images.
Even if the pay is really low, it's still better than nothing and you're not harming/killing someone/something
Interesting fact about captcha farms: after a while, the productivity (aka number of captcha per hour) drops significantly. humans not good with monotous tasks^^
Also this kind of services is really expensive compared to the profit they can generate.

captcha are sort of useless now because it's impossible to beat captcha farms.
GreenFate
Profile Joined March 2011
France289 Posts
March 18 2015 16:44 GMT
#406
Really really cool for Neuro, his stream is so enjoyable for both the game learning and his attitude towards the game
I strongly recommend !
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
March 18 2015 17:14 GMT
#407
Thank you TL!
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
traderjoe
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany69 Posts
March 18 2015 17:34 GMT
#408
what is with Protech could he get back featured stream on your site ?
codonbyte
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States840 Posts
March 18 2015 17:39 GMT
#409
On March 19 2015 00:57 Cazimirbzh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2015 22:00 hewo wrote:
On March 18 2015 21:53 Cascade wrote:
On March 18 2015 21:19 ThomasjServo wrote:
On March 18 2015 20:59 Cascade wrote:
On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try.

So there are scripts that automatically solves captchas? Doesn't that kindof make them outdated?

They are which is why you see things trending away from captchas or capchas that are much more warped than they used to be.

I actually just said the other day (when presented with a tricky capcha) that at some point computers will be better than humans at solving capchas. :/ Maybe we are getting there already.


There are also "captcha farms" or whatever you want to call them, with people getting payed per captcha they fill out. The submissions are used to bypass spam filters to spam ads on the web. The pay is really low and the work is immensely boring, but never underestimate what people will do to make money in certain parts of the world.


Automated scripts can solve ez captcha like 2 + 2 or questions or basic images.
Even if the pay is really low, it's still better than nothing and you're not harming/killing someone/something
Interesting fact about captcha farms: after a while, the productivity (aka number of captcha per hour) drops significantly. humans not good with monotous tasks^^
Also this kind of services is really expensive compared to the profit they can generate.

captcha are sort of useless now because it's impossible to beat captcha farms.

I've heard that there are some captcha farms that use pornography to get users to solve captchas for them. Basically you have the script that is trying to access the resource constantly, and then whenever a person tries to view their bait-porn, the script serializes the captcha and sends it to the user, who then solves the captcha and the script uses the answer they provided to solve its copy of the captcha and access the resource.

I've always liked the idea of a captcha farm like that; sounds almost like something I'd build in minecraft. Reminds me of those EXP farms that use infinite villager breeders to charge up a huge supply of villagers (since villagers don't despawn no matter how far away the player gets), and then turns all the villagers into zombies so they can be killed and their experience collected.

Simply diabolical.
Procrastination is the enemy
Cazimirbzh
Profile Joined February 2014
334 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-18 20:00:33
March 18 2015 19:46 GMT
#410
On March 19 2015 02:39 codonbyte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 00:57 Cazimirbzh wrote:
On March 18 2015 22:00 hewo wrote:
On March 18 2015 21:53 Cascade wrote:
On March 18 2015 21:19 ThomasjServo wrote:
On March 18 2015 20:59 Cascade wrote:
On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try.

So there are scripts that automatically solves captchas? Doesn't that kindof make them outdated?

They are which is why you see things trending away from captchas or capchas that are much more warped than they used to be.

I actually just said the other day (when presented with a tricky capcha) that at some point computers will be better than humans at solving capchas. :/ Maybe we are getting there already.


There are also "captcha farms" or whatever you want to call them, with people getting payed per captcha they fill out. The submissions are used to bypass spam filters to spam ads on the web. The pay is really low and the work is immensely boring, but never underestimate what people will do to make money in certain parts of the world.


Automated scripts can solve ez captcha like 2 + 2 or questions or basic images.
Even if the pay is really low, it's still better than nothing and you're not harming/killing someone/something
Interesting fact about captcha farms: after a while, the productivity (aka number of captcha per hour) drops significantly. humans not good with monotous tasks^^
Also this kind of services is really expensive compared to the profit they can generate.

captcha are sort of useless now because it's impossible to beat captcha farms.

I've heard that there are some captcha farms that use pornography to get users to solve captchas for them. Basically you have the script that is trying to access the resource constantly, and then whenever a person tries to view their bait-porn, the script serializes the captcha and sends it to the user, who then solves the captcha and the script uses the answer they provided to solve its copy of the captcha and access the resource.

I've always liked the idea of a captcha farm like that; sounds almost like something I'd build in minecraft. Reminds me of those EXP farms that use infinite villager breeders to charge up a huge supply of villagers (since villagers don't despawn no matter how far away the player gets), and then turns all the villagers into zombies so they can be killed and their experience collected.

Simply diabolical.


porn and puzzles were good to unlock captcha a long time when they're easy. Now it'll take too much to set up the bait compared to direct human solving.

http://fold.it/portal/ this website is good example to see how the pattern for solving puzzle can be extrapolated for other pruposes ^^

ps : i never played minecraft, i am a lego guy my only experience with farming was in a wyvern cave( baldur's gate I, cloakwood). Every time you slept you had a chance that a wyvern will spawn, sleep, kill, sleep kill, sleep, kill, Wait do i really want this last level ?^^
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
March 18 2015 20:15 GMT
#411
I think captchas in form of small games are effective. Example is that you have to put some items in a basket
Have a nice day ;)
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
March 19 2015 04:28 GMT
#412
On March 19 2015 05:15 Dumbledore wrote:
I think captchas in form of small games are effective. Example is that you have to put some items in a basket

StarCraft inspired games maybe? :o)

"Kill the zergling, not the marine"
HsDLTitich
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Italy831 Posts
March 19 2015 09:16 GMT
#413
Unlike the community voted categories, “Most Active Chat” and “Most Dedicated Viewer” are data-driven, due to this we wanted to ensure the integrity of the statistics provided remained intact. With the assistance of Twitch, we have determined there is no evidence that should exclude or disqualify the Wintergaming channel from placing in any of the following categories:

• “Most Active Chat”
• “Most Dedicated Viewer”


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/16716091473

So it seems that Blizzard and Twitch don't think that a random dude writing a wall of text on Reddit and Avilo being salty on Youtube are right, what a surprise.
I used to organize tournaments for ESL Italy and referee Go4SC2s, WCSs, and IEMs for ESL SC2.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
March 19 2015 09:24 GMT
#414
On March 19 2015 18:16 HsDLTitich wrote:
Show nested quote +
Unlike the community voted categories, “Most Active Chat” and “Most Dedicated Viewer” are data-driven, due to this we wanted to ensure the integrity of the statistics provided remained intact. With the assistance of Twitch, we have determined there is no evidence that should exclude or disqualify the Wintergaming channel from placing in any of the following categories:

• “Most Active Chat”
• “Most Dedicated Viewer”


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/16716091473

So it seems that Blizzard and Twitch don't think that a random dude writing a wall of text on Reddit and Avilo being salty on Youtube are right, what a surprise.


Blizzard giving 0 fucks about an issue is a proof this isn't an issue nowadays ?
Zest fanboy.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
March 19 2015 09:34 GMT
#415
On March 19 2015 18:16 HsDLTitich wrote:
Show nested quote +
Unlike the community voted categories, “Most Active Chat” and “Most Dedicated Viewer” are data-driven, due to this we wanted to ensure the integrity of the statistics provided remained intact. With the assistance of Twitch, we have determined there is no evidence that should exclude or disqualify the Wintergaming channel from placing in any of the following categories:

• “Most Active Chat”
• “Most Dedicated Viewer”


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/16716091473

So it seems that Blizzard and Twitch don't think that a random dude writing a wall of text on Reddit and Avilo being salty on Youtube are right, what a surprise.

This strongly suggests that you didn't read it.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
TurboMaN
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany925 Posts
March 19 2015 13:14 GMT
#416
If I understand it correctly Blizzard statet that Twitch analysed streaming statistics and confirmed that Winter has not used any Viewbots? Is there any official Twitch statement yet?
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-19 13:26:26
March 19 2015 13:24 GMT
#417
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/18313046/and-the-winners-are-…-3-18-2015


[image loading]

I think it is the opposite the sticky seems to imply that as a result of the allegations and presumably data as Blizzard referenced there would be a distinction between voted categories and pure metrics, they would not be including him in a category which he already placed. I could be mis-reading that though.
NyxNax
Profile Joined March 2014
United States227 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-19 13:32:58
March 19 2015 13:29 GMT
#418
On March 16 2015 15:45 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 15:44 skylinefan wrote:
He's entertaining and educational enough for me and a lot of us out there. Why the hate people? If he is really viewbotting then the burden of proof to establish a prima facie case is on the accusers not winter. If he really is vb then it's a a shame really but that won't stop me and a lot of us who have been enjoying his content from continuing to enjoy his streams.

They literally just explained their reasoning in this post.

Good job, TeamLiquid. It's nice to see justice served. avilo mentioned HTOMario (also featured) has been viewerbotting as well. I don't watch Mario and thus don't know if this is true, but it perhaps warrants some investigation.



Lol I was going to say they literally just covered that in the post as well, but I'm guessing it was edited in after you posted this.


How much were the prizes that winter won? and Blizzard is seriously going to hand em out to him?
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1927 Posts
March 19 2015 14:31 GMT
#419
On March 19 2015 22:14 TurboMaN wrote:
If I understand it correctly Blizzard statet that Twitch analysed streaming statistics and confirmed that Winter has not used any Viewbots? Is there any official Twitch statement yet?


Incorrect. They simply stated that it didn't apply to the categories he was elected for. TB had some choice words for this decision/conclusion. haha.
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hZCube
Profile Joined February 2012
87 Posts
March 19 2015 15:18 GMT
#420
It's ok for a group of fans to grab the pitchforks and go a huntin', but a serious company like Blizzard would need and expect a far higher burden of proof to make decisions on than the current witch hunt seen here.

I'm not at all surprised that Blizzard isn't joining in the hunt and trying to shame Winter. I'd suspect they'd wait until there's some actual confirmation and/or proof, rather than speculation and hearsay. It's how proper organisations are run.
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