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On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try.
So there are scripts that automatically solves captchas? Doesn't that kindof make them outdated?
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On March 18 2015 20:59 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try. So there are scripts that automatically solves captchas? Doesn't that kindof make them outdated?
They are which is why you see things trending away from captchas or capchas that are much more warped than they used to be.
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On March 18 2015 21:19 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2015 20:59 Cascade wrote:On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try. So there are scripts that automatically solves captchas? Doesn't that kindof make them outdated? They are which is why you see things trending away from captchas or capchas that are much more warped than they used to be.
I actually just said the other day (when presented with a tricky capcha) that at some point computers will be better than humans at solving capchas. :/ Maybe we are getting there already.
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On March 18 2015 21:53 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2015 21:19 ThomasjServo wrote:On March 18 2015 20:59 Cascade wrote:On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try. So there are scripts that automatically solves captchas? Doesn't that kindof make them outdated? They are which is why you see things trending away from captchas or capchas that are much more warped than they used to be. I actually just said the other day (when presented with a tricky capcha) that at some point computers will be better than humans at solving capchas. :/ Maybe we are getting there already.
There are also "captcha farms" or whatever you want to call them, with people getting payed per captcha they fill out. The submissions are used to bypass spam filters to spam ads on the web. The pay is really low and the work is immensely boring, but never underestimate what people will do to make money in certain parts of the world.
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On March 18 2015 22:00 hewo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2015 21:53 Cascade wrote:On March 18 2015 21:19 ThomasjServo wrote:On March 18 2015 20:59 Cascade wrote:On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try. So there are scripts that automatically solves captchas? Doesn't that kindof make them outdated? They are which is why you see things trending away from captchas or capchas that are much more warped than they used to be. I actually just said the other day (when presented with a tricky capcha) that at some point computers will be better than humans at solving capchas. :/ Maybe we are getting there already. There are also "captcha farms" or whatever you want to call them, with people getting payed per captcha they fill out. The submissions are used to bypass spam filters to spam ads on the web. The pay is really low and the work is immensely boring, but never underestimate what people will do to make money in certain parts of the world.
Automated scripts can solve ez captcha like 2 + 2 or questions or basic images.
Even if the pay is really low, it's still better than nothing and you're not harming/killing someone/something
Interesting fact about captcha farms: after a while, the productivity (aka number of captcha per hour) drops significantly. humans not good with monotous tasks^^
Also this kind of services is really expensive compared to the profit they can generate.
captcha are sort of useless now because it's impossible to beat captcha farms.
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Really really cool for Neuro, his stream is so enjoyable for both the game learning and his attitude towards the game 
I strongly recommend !
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what is with Protech could he get back featured stream on your site ?
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On March 19 2015 00:57 Cazimirbzh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2015 22:00 hewo wrote:On March 18 2015 21:53 Cascade wrote:On March 18 2015 21:19 ThomasjServo wrote:On March 18 2015 20:59 Cascade wrote:On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try. So there are scripts that automatically solves captchas? Doesn't that kindof make them outdated? They are which is why you see things trending away from captchas or capchas that are much more warped than they used to be. I actually just said the other day (when presented with a tricky capcha) that at some point computers will be better than humans at solving capchas. :/ Maybe we are getting there already. There are also "captcha farms" or whatever you want to call them, with people getting payed per captcha they fill out. The submissions are used to bypass spam filters to spam ads on the web. The pay is really low and the work is immensely boring, but never underestimate what people will do to make money in certain parts of the world. Automated scripts can solve ez captcha like 2 + 2 or questions or basic images. Even if the pay is really low, it's still better than nothing and you're not harming/killing someone/something Interesting fact about captcha farms: after a while, the productivity (aka number of captcha per hour) drops significantly. humans not good with monotous tasks^^ Also this kind of services is really expensive compared to the profit they can generate. captcha are sort of useless now because it's impossible to beat captcha farms.
I've heard that there are some captcha farms that use pornography to get users to solve captchas for them. Basically you have the script that is trying to access the resource constantly, and then whenever a person tries to view their bait-porn, the script serializes the captcha and sends it to the user, who then solves the captcha and the script uses the answer they provided to solve its copy of the captcha and access the resource.
I've always liked the idea of a captcha farm like that; sounds almost like something I'd build in minecraft. Reminds me of those EXP farms that use infinite villager breeders to charge up a huge supply of villagers (since villagers don't despawn no matter how far away the player gets), and then turns all the villagers into zombies so they can be killed and their experience collected.
Simply diabolical.
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On March 19 2015 02:39 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 00:57 Cazimirbzh wrote:On March 18 2015 22:00 hewo wrote:On March 18 2015 21:53 Cascade wrote:On March 18 2015 21:19 ThomasjServo wrote:On March 18 2015 20:59 Cascade wrote:On March 18 2015 08:30 hZCube wrote:
Fron a technical point though, I know I can write a botnet that appears 100% like legit viewers, including captcha. It wouldn't be a trivial task, but for some it may appear lucrative enough to give it a try. So there are scripts that automatically solves captchas? Doesn't that kindof make them outdated? They are which is why you see things trending away from captchas or capchas that are much more warped than they used to be. I actually just said the other day (when presented with a tricky capcha) that at some point computers will be better than humans at solving capchas. :/ Maybe we are getting there already. There are also "captcha farms" or whatever you want to call them, with people getting payed per captcha they fill out. The submissions are used to bypass spam filters to spam ads on the web. The pay is really low and the work is immensely boring, but never underestimate what people will do to make money in certain parts of the world. Automated scripts can solve ez captcha like 2 + 2 or questions or basic images. Even if the pay is really low, it's still better than nothing and you're not harming/killing someone/something Interesting fact about captcha farms: after a while, the productivity (aka number of captcha per hour) drops significantly. humans not good with monotous tasks^^ Also this kind of services is really expensive compared to the profit they can generate. captcha are sort of useless now because it's impossible to beat captcha farms. I've heard that there are some captcha farms that use pornography to get users to solve captchas for them. Basically you have the script that is trying to access the resource constantly, and then whenever a person tries to view their bait-porn, the script serializes the captcha and sends it to the user, who then solves the captcha and the script uses the answer they provided to solve its copy of the captcha and access the resource. I've always liked the idea of a captcha farm like that; sounds almost like something I'd build in minecraft. Reminds me of those EXP farms that use infinite villager breeders to charge up a huge supply of villagers (since villagers don't despawn no matter how far away the player gets), and then turns all the villagers into zombies so they can be killed and their experience collected. Simply diabolical.
porn and puzzles were good to unlock captcha a long time when they're easy. Now it'll take too much to set up the bait compared to direct human solving.
http://fold.it/portal/ this website is good example to see how the pattern for solving puzzle can be extrapolated for other pruposes ^^
ps : i never played minecraft, i am a lego guy my only experience with farming was in a wyvern cave( baldur's gate I, cloakwood). Every time you slept you had a chance that a wyvern will spawn, sleep, kill, sleep kill, sleep, kill, Wait do i really want this last level ?^^
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I think captchas in form of small games are effective. Example is that you have to put some items in a basket
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On March 19 2015 05:15 Dumbledore wrote:
I think captchas in form of small games are effective. Example is that you have to put some items in a basket
StarCraft inspired games maybe? :o)
"Kill the zergling, not the marine" 
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Unlike the community voted categories, “Most Active Chat” and “Most Dedicated Viewer” are data-driven, due to this we wanted to ensure the integrity of the statistics provided remained intact. With the assistance of Twitch, we have determined there is no evidence that should exclude or disqualify the Wintergaming channel from placing in any of the following categories:
• “Most Active Chat”
• “Most Dedicated Viewer”
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/16716091473
So it seems that Blizzard and Twitch don't think that a random dude writing a wall of text on Reddit and Avilo being salty on Youtube are right, what a surprise.
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On March 19 2015 18:16 HsDLTitich wrote:Show nested quote +Unlike the community voted categories, “Most Active Chat” and “Most Dedicated Viewer” are data-driven, due to this we wanted to ensure the integrity of the statistics provided remained intact. With the assistance of Twitch, we have determined there is no evidence that should exclude or disqualify the Wintergaming channel from placing in any of the following categories:
• “Most Active Chat”
• “Most Dedicated Viewer” http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/16716091473So it seems that Blizzard and Twitch don't think that a random dude writing a wall of text on Reddit and Avilo being salty on Youtube are right, what a surprise.
Blizzard giving 0 fucks about an issue is a proof this isn't an issue nowadays ?
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On March 19 2015 18:16 HsDLTitich wrote:Show nested quote +Unlike the community voted categories, “Most Active Chat” and “Most Dedicated Viewer” are data-driven, due to this we wanted to ensure the integrity of the statistics provided remained intact. With the assistance of Twitch, we have determined there is no evidence that should exclude or disqualify the Wintergaming channel from placing in any of the following categories:
• “Most Active Chat”
• “Most Dedicated Viewer” http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/16716091473So it seems that Blizzard and Twitch don't think that a random dude writing a wall of text on Reddit and Avilo being salty on Youtube are right, what a surprise.
This strongly suggests that you didn't read it.
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If I understand it correctly Blizzard statet that Twitch analysed streaming statistics and confirmed that Winter has not used any Viewbots? Is there any official Twitch statement yet?
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http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/18313046/and-the-winners-are-…-3-18-2015
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VLxV5xw.png)
I think it is the opposite the sticky seems to imply that as a result of the allegations and presumably data as Blizzard referenced there would be a distinction between voted categories and pure metrics, they would not be including him in a category which he already placed. I could be mis-reading that though.
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On March 16 2015 15:45 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 15:44 skylinefan wrote:
He's entertaining and educational enough for me and a lot of us out there. Why the hate people? If he is really viewbotting then the burden of proof to establish a prima facie case is on the accusers not winter. If he really is vb then it's a a shame really but that won't stop me and a lot of us who have been enjoying his content from continuing to enjoy his streams. They literally just explained their reasoning in this post. Good job, TeamLiquid. It's nice to see justice served. avilo mentioned HTOMario (also featured) has been viewerbotting as well. I don't watch Mario and thus don't know if this is true, but it perhaps warrants some investigation.
Lol I was going to say they literally just covered that in the post as well, but I'm guessing it was edited in after you posted this.
How much were the prizes that winter won? and Blizzard is seriously going to hand em out to him? 
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On March 19 2015 22:14 TurboMaN wrote:
If I understand it correctly Blizzard statet that Twitch analysed streaming statistics and confirmed that Winter has not used any Viewbots? Is there any official Twitch statement yet?
Incorrect. They simply stated that it didn't apply to the categories he was elected for. TB had some choice words for this decision/conclusion. haha.
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It's ok for a group of fans to grab the pitchforks and go a huntin', but a serious company like Blizzard would need and expect a far higher burden of proof to make decisions on than the current witch hunt seen here.
I'm not at all surprised that Blizzard isn't joining in the hunt and trying to shame Winter. I'd suspect they'd wait until there's some actual confirmation and/or proof, rather than speculation and hearsay. It's how proper organisations are run.
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