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On February 11 2015 00:52 Deathstar wrote:
Is this more incentive to leave kespa after getting your training? If you're a beast, why not make your money by participating in as many tournies as you can as opposed to focusing on proleague, gsl, etc where you know you'll probably lose.
Because in Korea you have to be the best, they have a strong "first or nothing" mentality.
And everyone knows that to be considered as the best, you have to play GSL/NSSL.
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I understand why they do it, but it's kinda sad for some of the B teamers that basically have nothing to play if they can't play those.
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On February 11 2015 00:52 Deathstar wrote:
Is this more incentive to leave kespa after getting your training? If you're a beast, why not make your money by participating in as many tournies as you can as opposed to focusing on proleague, gsl, etc where you know you'll probably lose.
It's probably more incentive to stay with a KeSPA team as then you atleast know you'll have a stable good salary as a progamer provided you are in the A Team of the team you are in which most are nowadays as KeSPA teams don't have a big roster anymore in SC2.
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you ppl are really something
blizzard forces a whole industry to switch to a really bad game
audience rating plumet
sponsors leave
ppl go illegal betting to make a living
and now players get blamed
User was temp banned for this post.
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On February 11 2015 01:03 Boonbag wrote:
you ppl are really something
blizzard forces a whole industry to switch to a really bad game
audience rating plumet
sponsors leave
ppl go illegal betting to make a living
and now players get blamed
You mean just like some BroodWar players did? Despite how huge BW was?
That matchfixing scandal thing was also illegal betting.
Don't bring your SC2 hate as a reason this shit is happening thanks.
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On February 11 2015 01:03 Boonbag wrote:
you ppl are really something
blizzard forces a whole industry to switch to a really bad game
audience rating plumet
sponsors leave
ppl go illegal betting to make a living
and now players get blamed
Congratulations. This is the dumbest post I've read on this topic the past 2 days. That's quite the achievement.
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On February 11 2015 01:03 Boonbag wrote:
you ppl are really something
blizzard forces a whole industry to switch to a really bad game
audience rating plumet
sponsors leave
ppl go illegal betting to make a living
and now players get blamed
wonder what its like to be this dumb
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On February 11 2015 00:58 geokilla wrote:
So I guess no more KeSPA players in online tournaments now.
KeSPA isn't saying that their players can't play online tournaments, merely that they're going to be cautious and only allow them to play in the ones they trust. Put it this way, if TB (Just using him cause he posted in thread and has worked with KeSPA before) announced another Shoutcraft Invitational tomorrow I doubt KeSPA would block their players, they might ask to see who is the sponsor and who is on the observer list, which given the current circumstances is perfectly within reason.
I doubt Olimoleague has any problems, Olimoley has already stated she won't allow Korean casters/observers because of this. There will be always a tournament out there KeSPA players can play in, it just is a smaller pool of them
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On February 11 2015 01:29 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 00:58 geokilla wrote:
So I guess no more KeSPA players in online tournaments now. KeSPA isn't saying that their players can't play online tournaments, merely that they're going to be cautious and only allow them to play in the ones they trust. Put it this way, if TB (Just using him cause he posted in thread and has worked with KeSPA before) announced another Shoutcraft Invitational tomorrow I doubt KeSPA would block their players, they might ask to see who is the sponsor and who is on the observer list, which given the current circumstances is perfectly within reason. I doubt Olimoleague has any problems, Olimoley has already stated she won't allow Korean casters/observers because of this. There will be always a tournament out there KeSPA players can play in, it just is a smaller pool of them
We'll have to see how it goes, but right now it's more likely that KeSPA will not do a good job because its attitude towards small tournaments is not good.
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Good call. I support Kespa on this one.
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On February 10 2015 18:24 Blargh wrote:
Kespa's new excuse for not allowing any of its players to ever participate in any online events ever.
Yup.
This or very """"reasonable"""" rules (like that retarded free agency rule) to be able to make a torunament.
And the worst part is there will be people saying they are right.
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On February 11 2015 02:08 Starecat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 18:24 Blargh wrote:
Kespa's new excuse for not allowing any of its players to ever participate in any online events ever. Yup. This or very """"reasonable"""" rules (like that retarded free agency rule) to be able to make a torunament. And the worst part is there will be people saying they are right.
I suppose you prefer the world where every minor team disbands / doesn't pay its players / has shady as fuck practices / not liable to anything / allows its players to participate in bet or match fixing tournaments that don't pay out on time (if ever) then?
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On February 11 2015 02:21 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 02:08 Starecat wrote:On February 10 2015 18:24 Blargh wrote:
Kespa's new excuse for not allowing any of its players to ever participate in any online events ever. Yup. This or very """"reasonable"""" rules (like that retarded free agency rule) to be able to make a torunament. And the worst part is there will be people saying they are right. I suppose you prefer the world where every minor team disbands / doesn't pay its players / has shady as fuck practices / not liable to anything / allows its players to participate in bet or match fixing tournaments that don't pay out on time (if ever) then?
Tons of KeSPA Teams disbanded and Savior happened on KeSPA.
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lol People hating on Kespa, it was the association that rescued the SC2 in Korea, now it is shrinking again but thats not Kespa to blame.
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On February 11 2015 02:40 Starecat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 02:21 Caihead wrote:On February 11 2015 02:08 Starecat wrote:On February 10 2015 18:24 Blargh wrote:
Kespa's new excuse for not allowing any of its players to ever participate in any online events ever. Yup. This or very """"reasonable"""" rules (like that retarded free agency rule) to be able to make a torunament. And the worst part is there will be people saying they are right. I suppose you prefer the world where every minor team disbands / doesn't pay its players / has shady as fuck practices / not liable to anything / allows its players to participate in bet or match fixing tournaments that don't pay out on time (if ever) then? Tons of KeSPA Teams disbanded and Savior happened on KeSPA.
Tons of kespa teams diabanded DUE to betting scandal and 1 case of parent company bankruptcy, that's why there's harsher rules in place NOW to prevent it from happening AGAIN. Get your facts straight, there's causality here that shows exactly why we need these regulations. Even if you want to blame kespa for those disbandings, compare that to the environment outside kespa and tell me which is better.
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I don't see how forcing five years teamless to be considered free agent or other of their bullshit can prevent matchfixing...
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On February 11 2015 08:44 Starecat wrote:
I don't see how forcing five years teamless to be considered free agent or other of their bullshit can prevent matchfixing...
Lol, well Kespa should withdrawn SC2, anyway is not like the masses are there.
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On February 11 2015 02:08 Starecat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 18:24 Blargh wrote:
Kespa's new excuse for not allowing any of its players to ever participate in any online events ever. Yup. This or very """"reasonable"""" rules (like that retarded free agency rule) to be able to make a torunament. And the worst part is there will be people saying they are right.
The major korean sponsors behind kespa don't want their players associated with illegal gambling. Image is everything. Why endanger proleague and player salaries over crappy online tourneys?
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On February 11 2015 10:00 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 02:08 Starecat wrote:On February 10 2015 18:24 Blargh wrote:
Kespa's new excuse for not allowing any of its players to ever participate in any online events ever. Yup. This or very """"reasonable"""" rules (like that retarded free agency rule) to be able to make a torunament. And the worst part is there will be people saying they are right. The major korean sponsors behind kespa don't want their players associated with illegal gambling. Image is everything. Why endanger proleague and player salaries over crappy online tourneys?
This guy seems to understand 
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On February 11 2015 07:05 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 02:40 Starecat wrote:On February 11 2015 02:21 Caihead wrote:On February 11 2015 02:08 Starecat wrote:On February 10 2015 18:24 Blargh wrote:
Kespa's new excuse for not allowing any of its players to ever participate in any online events ever. Yup. This or very """"reasonable"""" rules (like that retarded free agency rule) to be able to make a torunament. And the worst part is there will be people saying they are right. I suppose you prefer the world where every minor team disbands / doesn't pay its players / has shady as fuck practices / not liable to anything / allows its players to participate in bet or match fixing tournaments that don't pay out on time (if ever) then? Tons of KeSPA Teams disbanded and Savior happened on KeSPA. Tons of kespa teams diabanded DUE to betting scandal and 1 case of parent company bankruptcy, that's why there's harsher rules in place NOW to prevent it from happening AGAIN. Get your facts straight, there's causality here that shows exactly why we need these regulations. Even if you want to blame kespa for those disbandings, compare that to the environment outside kespa and tell me which is better.
Hmm, let's look at it chronologically:
eSTRO - IEG saw no point in remaining if they weren't able to make the most of their Proleague rights. Also, financial issues.
OGN Sparkyz - A significant amount of their team were involved in the scandal. It would have been impossible to rebuild the team. Also, wanting to even out the Proleague teams, a merger happened between CJ (parent company of OGN) and the OGN team itself which eventuated.
MBCgame HERO - With the transition of MBCgame to MBC Music, MBC saw no need for a pro team anymore.
Wemade FOX - Financial troubles.
Hwaseung OZ - Desire to focus on 'real sports' (which I think is a load of shit, just wanted to use the match fixing scandal as an excuse to leave a dying market)
STX Soul - Went bankrupt.
Woongjin Stars - Parent company went bankrupt.
So sure, besides Sparkyz, all of the other teams had different reasons for disbanding. But, I'm more than certain the match fixing scandal played a huge part on their decision to leave the industry.
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