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On February 10 2015 17:01 TheOneAboveU wrote:
I like the step by KeSPA - if you want to have KeSPA players in your tournament now, you have to make sure that everything is working properly (legally!), and thats the reason KeSPA exists in the first place, right? To protects its players and the competition.
KeSPA isn't there to protect its players, it's there to protect it's business. There's a difference. KeSPA is a corporate enitity which main purpose is to generate revenue and make profit
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I mean...this is not very good for the up and coming players. Who would Solar be if it weren't for his participation in smaller online tournaments?
On the other hand, I don't believe this is a bad move on behalf of KeSPA. Betting scandal almost killed Starcraft 1, there must be steps taken to prevent the same outcome from happening in Starcraft 2.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
Good old "KeSPA, you're awful" threads. Almost as good as NaNi threads.
How many people got accused of being KeSPA fanboys already in past 2 days?
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On February 10 2015 17:01 TheOneAboveU wrote:
I like the step by KeSPA - if you want to have KeSPA players in your tournament now, you have to make sure that everything is working properly (legally!), and thats the reason KeSPA exists in the first place, right? To protects its players and the competition.
Sure it's like government. All for people, i mean players 
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Kespa has too big of a responsibility to not do this.
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Kinda torn 'cause it's typical whatever, but at the same time i want a crack down on shadiness. Need more than just Kespa to do something about this.
I really hope this doesn't limit opportunities. SC2 does not need its best players becoming more isolated.
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On February 10 2015 17:29 fronkschnonk wrote:
I might lack some key knowledge here - I don't now anything about sports betting - but I do not quite understand this. How is a tournament more ore less attractive for cheating at bets by its rules? It sounds like kespa is making online tournaments responsible for shadiness, while the cheating is actually done by bettors and perhaps some players (hopefully not).
I really don't get it - do I miss something here?
Here's the gist.
Korean gambler would pay money to sponsor some online tournament. As a sponsor they would ask for privileges like observing games and putting a stream delay (which is usually done anyways to prevent cheating).
(Optionally?) the gambler would also pay or otherwise convince well known players to participate in these small tournaments.
Hype would ensure and illiegal sportsbooks would cover the tournament and accept bets on the outcome.
Gambler would use obs position to 'tell the future' and bet on the games and win money.
It's further complicated by the fact that gamblers can disguise themselves as actual game observers, tourny admins or even translators. So just scrutinizing sponsors isn't enough to weed them out.
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Kespa's new excuse for not allowing any of its players to ever participate in any online events ever.
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This cuts both ways. On the one hand it would be nice to put this problem to rest; on the other hand, it seems likely that kespa will err on the side of caution/exclusiveness. I'm reminded of the Destiny I tournament, when a kespa rep said "what would KeSPA's benefit be for sending players?" When it comes to small online tournaments, the answer is going to be "very little." What with SPL, GSL, and NSSL, KeSPA itself has little need to send its big-name players anywhere else, even though it benefits all players to get as much exposure as they like, anywhere they like.
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Guess B teamers just lost their source of income...
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Australia3123 Posts
I wouldn't be so sure....they're not saying they can't play these tournaments or won't allow them to, simply that they're going to be "cautious" in what tournaments they can play. IE: I think if they trust the runner of the tournament or its held in Korea like the Olimoleague, nothing changes, they're simply not going to allow their players to play in it if they don't trust the runner or don't know them well enough.
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eSports is such a dodgy world
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meh ... I really hope they don't do the usual Kespa thing and burn the ground so that there is no place for evil to grow or anything else.
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This is normal I think, KeSPA wants to protect his players to this type of scandal.
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Sounds like a pretty straightforward decision from KeSPA. Showing investors and collaborating parties how they deal with issues like this and how timely they can be. Keeping the integrity of the game as a top priority to protect their national sport. They will do this 10 out of 10 times. They will not tolerate any shady play.
KeSPA rolls on it's own rules and always has. We're lucky that there are rules. They usually know what they can and can't get done.
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United States33599 Posts
I think it's a good move in theory, but in practice I'm not entirely convinced they will expend the necessary effort to vet tournaments
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On February 10 2015 16:43 lord_nibbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 15:50 Waxangel wrote:
KeSPA said that it is difficult to regulate such tournaments as they are run from outside of Korea, and it would need to decide carefully when allowing players to compete. Regardless of the honest intentions of the players, a KeSPA representative said players would not be allowed to compete if KeSPA did not fully trust the organizer and the format of a tournament. Way to overreach KeSPA. You make it sound like anybody demanded that you personally have to put an end to this or that you are responsible for it. Nobody was asking you to regulate anything! Just put out a warning to your members. It sounds like all small tournament have to go through KeSPA now to become 'approved'. Also what's with this xenophobic undertone? Cups are run from outside the country? Last I heard it was a primarily Korean issue...
try to think bout it again ,with all your neurons connected this time, and you'll see this decison totally make sense. ANd it's not xenophobic, they just state they have little to no control on these tournaments.
What's wrong with you, seriously?
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On February 10 2015 17:11 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 17:01 TheOneAboveU wrote:
I like the step by KeSPA - if you want to have KeSPA players in your tournament now, you have to make sure that everything is working properly (legally!), and thats the reason KeSPA exists in the first place, right? To protects its players and the competition. This would be nice if they ever bothered to actually work with people outside of their little circle.
They actually do if you're patient/competent enough., TB last Shoutcraft had some KeSPA superstars in it (and was a blast, easily the best online sc2 tournament to date)
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EPT
