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On February 10 2015 04:18 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 04:16 REyeM wrote:On February 10 2015 03:41 KatatoniK wrote:On February 10 2015 03:26 vult wrote:
Wow this went from talking about the DQ straight into arguing about the Creator/Maru incident... sad.
Anyways, it is sad that they couldn't postpone the match due to unforseen circumstances. STY, I can imagine, worked hard and prepared for this, only to get DQ'ed over something completely out of their control. But that's nazi Kespa for you!! Rescheduling it would be difficult given how much SC2 there is in Korea atm. Monday/Tuesday is PL Wednesday/Friday is GSL Thursday is NSSL Maru, Rogue and Leenock are all due to play in NSSL on Thursday. Terminator is in GSL on Wednesday. Life has his GSL group on Friday. The only way they'd be able to postpone without fucking up individual schedules would be to push the entire playoff to next week. Whats NSSL? Naver SpotTV Starleague, just SSL with it's new head sponsor now.
Okay thanks, i wasn't around much recently :p
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On February 10 2015 04:16 REyeM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 03:41 KatatoniK wrote:On February 10 2015 03:26 vult wrote:
Wow this went from talking about the DQ straight into arguing about the Creator/Maru incident... sad.
Anyways, it is sad that they couldn't postpone the match due to unforseen circumstances. STY, I can imagine, worked hard and prepared for this, only to get DQ'ed over something completely out of their control. But that's nazi Kespa for you!! Rescheduling it would be difficult given how much SC2 there is in Korea atm. Monday/Tuesday is PL Wednesday/Friday is GSL Thursday is NSSL Maru, Rogue and Leenock are all due to play in NSSL on Thursday. Terminator is in GSL on Wednesday. Life has his GSL group on Friday. The only way they'd be able to postpone without fucking up individual schedules would be to push the entire playoff to next week. Whats NSSL?
Naver StarCraft 2 StarLeague, SpoTV's individual league. SSL, SC2SL were other abbreviations I believe.
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On February 10 2015 04:05 KatatoniK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 04:00 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
just reschedule it to 3 hours later? decent solution and handable...
JA should be able to handle 3hs for an reset and ST would be able to arrive and have a short break and warmup.
Totally agree that ST has to accept more or less whatever solution and be happy to get to play, regardless "their chances".
one makes it as fair as possible, and then all accepts and moves on, making the best out of it...
The match was scheduled for 7pm KST. 3 hours later would be 10pm. By the time the match would be over it'd be what 11pm/midnight/1am? How would the crowd get home from the venue, how long would it take for the teams to get home? It'd provide a major disadvantage for the winning team as they'd get back late, they'd be tired for the next match the following day. It'd also suck for CJ as the opening players would be announced late, giving them little time to plan out a strategy/practice themselves.
Nah, they would be able to handle it decently, u are exaggerating.
I also believe that the main aspect is that the game somehow gets played.
crowd can go home/stay partially/stay full time etc as they wish ofc...
small disadvantages here and there but all handable,
I mean a cpl of hours late at times is nothing new or unhandable for these best in the world-pros.
Or playing early morning etc etc. Just find the time/solution that makes most sense, period.
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On February 10 2015 04:05 KatatoniK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 04:00 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
just reschedule it to 3 hours later? decent solution and handable...
JA should be able to handle 3hs for an reset and ST would be able to arrive and have a short break and warmup.
Totally agree that ST has to accept more or less whatever solution and be happy to get to play, regardless "their chances".
one makes it as fair as possible, and then all accepts and moves on, making the best out of it...
The match was scheduled for 7pm KST. 3 hours later would be 10pm. By the time the match would be over it'd be what 11pm/midnight/1am? How would the crowd get home from the venue, how long would it take for the teams to get home? It'd provide a major disadvantage for the winning team as they'd get back late, they'd be tired for the next match the following day.
How is this a problem? If someone doesn't have a way to get home at 11PM/midnight/1AM, then that individual human being can make the decision to leave early. I know KeSPA's hardcore, but I doubt they have armed guards at the doors keeping anyone from leaving.
Other individual human beings, who do not have a problem getting home late, can elect to stay late.
It'd also suck for CJ as the opening players would be announced late, giving them little time to plan out a strategy/practice themselves.
So instead of inconveniencing two teams, we're going to straight up disqualify one and render all of their work this season in getting to the playoffs essentially meaningless. And why would it suck for CJ? The winner of ST/JA would have just as little time to prepare as CJ, so they would be on perfectly even footing.
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On February 10 2015 04:19 REyeM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 04:18 Musicus wrote:On February 10 2015 04:16 REyeM wrote:On February 10 2015 03:41 KatatoniK wrote:On February 10 2015 03:26 vult wrote:
Wow this went from talking about the DQ straight into arguing about the Creator/Maru incident... sad.
Anyways, it is sad that they couldn't postpone the match due to unforseen circumstances. STY, I can imagine, worked hard and prepared for this, only to get DQ'ed over something completely out of their control. But that's nazi Kespa for you!! Rescheduling it would be difficult given how much SC2 there is in Korea atm. Monday/Tuesday is PL Wednesday/Friday is GSL Thursday is NSSL Maru, Rogue and Leenock are all due to play in NSSL on Thursday. Terminator is in GSL on Wednesday. Life has his GSL group on Friday. The only way they'd be able to postpone without fucking up individual schedules would be to push the entire playoff to next week. Whats NSSL? Naver SpotTV Starleague, just SSL with it's new head sponsor now. Okay thanks, i wasn't around much recently :p
Np!
Oh it's actually Naver Starcraft2 Starleague, didn't know  .
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On February 10 2015 04:19 KatatoniK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 04:16 REyeM wrote:On February 10 2015 03:41 KatatoniK wrote:On February 10 2015 03:26 vult wrote:
Wow this went from talking about the DQ straight into arguing about the Creator/Maru incident... sad.
Anyways, it is sad that they couldn't postpone the match due to unforseen circumstances. STY, I can imagine, worked hard and prepared for this, only to get DQ'ed over something completely out of their control. But that's nazi Kespa for you!! Rescheduling it would be difficult given how much SC2 there is in Korea atm. Monday/Tuesday is PL Wednesday/Friday is GSL Thursday is NSSL Maru, Rogue and Leenock are all due to play in NSSL on Thursday. Terminator is in GSL on Wednesday. Life has his GSL group on Friday. The only way they'd be able to postpone without fucking up individual schedules would be to push the entire playoff to next week. Whats NSSL? Naver StarCraft 2 StarLeague, SpoTV's individual league. SSL, SC2SL were other abbreviations I believe.
Thank you too >.<
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On February 10 2015 04:20 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 04:05 KatatoniK wrote:On February 10 2015 04:00 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
just reschedule it to 3 hours later? decent solution and handable...
JA should be able to handle 3hs for an reset and ST would be able to arrive and have a short break and warmup.
Totally agree that ST has to accept more or less whatever solution and be happy to get to play, regardless "their chances".
one makes it as fair as possible, and then all accepts and moves on, making the best out of it...
The match was scheduled for 7pm KST. 3 hours later would be 10pm. By the time the match would be over it'd be what 11pm/midnight/1am? How would the crowd get home from the venue, how long would it take for the teams to get home? It'd provide a major disadvantage for the winning team as they'd get back late, they'd be tired for the next match the following day. How is this a problem? If someone doesn't have a way to get home at 11PM/midnight/1AM, then that individual human being can make the decision to leave early. I know KeSPA's hardcore, but I doubt they have armed guards at the doors keeping anyone from leaving. Other individual human beings, who do not have a problem getting home late, can elect to stay late.
What about the workers that actually have to stay until the broadcast is over? What if they rely on public transportation? Maybe the mall has a closing time.
This isn't some small online tournament; there are way too many things to consider, including broadcasting slots which are decided months in advance. We don't know too many things.
I am not thrilled, but from their position the decision was correct. It's not debatable.
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On February 10 2015 04:46 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 04:20 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 10 2015 04:05 KatatoniK wrote:On February 10 2015 04:00 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
just reschedule it to 3 hours later? decent solution and handable...
JA should be able to handle 3hs for an reset and ST would be able to arrive and have a short break and warmup.
Totally agree that ST has to accept more or less whatever solution and be happy to get to play, regardless "their chances".
one makes it as fair as possible, and then all accepts and moves on, making the best out of it...
The match was scheduled for 7pm KST. 3 hours later would be 10pm. By the time the match would be over it'd be what 11pm/midnight/1am? How would the crowd get home from the venue, how long would it take for the teams to get home? It'd provide a major disadvantage for the winning team as they'd get back late, they'd be tired for the next match the following day. How is this a problem? If someone doesn't have a way to get home at 11PM/midnight/1AM, then that individual human being can make the decision to leave early. I know KeSPA's hardcore, but I doubt they have armed guards at the doors keeping anyone from leaving. Other individual human beings, who do not have a problem getting home late, can elect to stay late. What about the workers that actually have to stay until the broadcast is over? What if they rely on public transportation? Maybe the mall has a closing time. This isn't some small online tournament; there are way too many things to consider, including broadcasting slots which are decided months in advance. We don't know too many things. I am not thrilled, but from their position the decision was correct. It's not debatable.
Apparently it is debatable because of all the time we spent debating it in this thread. Also one map per 30 minutes wouldn't make anyone later than necessary. Many games are less than that amount of time.
DEBATE
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On February 10 2015 04:46 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 04:20 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 10 2015 04:05 KatatoniK wrote:On February 10 2015 04:00 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
just reschedule it to 3 hours later? decent solution and handable...
JA should be able to handle 3hs for an reset and ST would be able to arrive and have a short break and warmup.
Totally agree that ST has to accept more or less whatever solution and be happy to get to play, regardless "their chances".
one makes it as fair as possible, and then all accepts and moves on, making the best out of it...
The match was scheduled for 7pm KST. 3 hours later would be 10pm. By the time the match would be over it'd be what 11pm/midnight/1am? How would the crowd get home from the venue, how long would it take for the teams to get home? It'd provide a major disadvantage for the winning team as they'd get back late, they'd be tired for the next match the following day. How is this a problem? If someone doesn't have a way to get home at 11PM/midnight/1AM, then that individual human being can make the decision to leave early. I know KeSPA's hardcore, but I doubt they have armed guards at the doors keeping anyone from leaving. Other individual human beings, who do not have a problem getting home late, can elect to stay late. What about the workers that actually have to stay until the broadcast is over? What if they rely on public transportation? Maybe the mall has a closing time.
And what if the series had gone to 9 games, with 3 of them being 2-hour long Swarm Host games? What then? They would have canceled the series halfway through and postponed the conclusion until the next day? (So it is possible! Then why didn't they just do that?) Or the workers would have been SOL and had to find their own transportation home? (So it is possible! Then why didn't they just do that?)
This isn't some small online tournament; there are way too many things to consider, including broadcasting slots which are decided months in advance. We don't know too many things.
I am not thrilled, but from their position the decision was correct. It's not debatable.
We don't know too many things.
the decision was correct. It's not debatable.
What.
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On February 10 2015 04:51 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 04:46 Hier wrote:On February 10 2015 04:20 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 10 2015 04:05 KatatoniK wrote:On February 10 2015 04:00 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
just reschedule it to 3 hours later? decent solution and handable...
JA should be able to handle 3hs for an reset and ST would be able to arrive and have a short break and warmup.
Totally agree that ST has to accept more or less whatever solution and be happy to get to play, regardless "their chances".
one makes it as fair as possible, and then all accepts and moves on, making the best out of it...
The match was scheduled for 7pm KST. 3 hours later would be 10pm. By the time the match would be over it'd be what 11pm/midnight/1am? How would the crowd get home from the venue, how long would it take for the teams to get home? It'd provide a major disadvantage for the winning team as they'd get back late, they'd be tired for the next match the following day. How is this a problem? If someone doesn't have a way to get home at 11PM/midnight/1AM, then that individual human being can make the decision to leave early. I know KeSPA's hardcore, but I doubt they have armed guards at the doors keeping anyone from leaving. Other individual human beings, who do not have a problem getting home late, can elect to stay late. What about the workers that actually have to stay until the broadcast is over? What if they rely on public transportation? Maybe the mall has a closing time. This isn't some small online tournament; there are way too many things to consider, including broadcasting slots which are decided months in advance. We don't know too many things. I am not thrilled, but from their position the decision was correct. It's not debatable. Apparently it is debatable because of all the time we spent debating it in this thread. Also one map per 30 minutes wouldn't make anyone later than necessary. Many games are less than that amount of time. DEBATE
Most of the comments in this thread are of the "Kespa!!! lololol" nature.
On February 10 2015 04:56 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 04:46 Hier wrote:On February 10 2015 04:20 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 10 2015 04:05 KatatoniK wrote:On February 10 2015 04:00 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
just reschedule it to 3 hours later? decent solution and handable...
JA should be able to handle 3hs for an reset and ST would be able to arrive and have a short break and warmup.
Totally agree that ST has to accept more or less whatever solution and be happy to get to play, regardless "their chances".
one makes it as fair as possible, and then all accepts and moves on, making the best out of it...
The match was scheduled for 7pm KST. 3 hours later would be 10pm. By the time the match would be over it'd be what 11pm/midnight/1am? How would the crowd get home from the venue, how long would it take for the teams to get home? It'd provide a major disadvantage for the winning team as they'd get back late, they'd be tired for the next match the following day. How is this a problem? If someone doesn't have a way to get home at 11PM/midnight/1AM, then that individual human being can make the decision to leave early. I know KeSPA's hardcore, but I doubt they have armed guards at the doors keeping anyone from leaving. Other individual human beings, who do not have a problem getting home late, can elect to stay late. What about the workers that actually have to stay until the broadcast is over? What if they rely on public transportation? Maybe the mall has a closing time. And what if the series had gone to 9 games, with 3 of them being 2-hour long Swarm Host games? What then?
Now imagine this scenario with the match starting 3 hours later.
My point is people here are trying to run a broadcasting company without considering any of the unknowns. You cannot make decisions in a vacuum.
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On February 09 2015 19:28 lichter wrote:
According to most weather websites, there is currently little to no snow in Seoul right now. So it was probably just traffic.
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This is like in Atlanta, where it snowed a few inches the year after the state sold its snowplows and no one knew how to drive in snow.
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On February 10 2015 05:03 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 04:51 Darkhorse wrote:On February 10 2015 04:46 Hier wrote:On February 10 2015 04:20 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 10 2015 04:05 KatatoniK wrote:On February 10 2015 04:00 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
just reschedule it to 3 hours later? decent solution and handable...
JA should be able to handle 3hs for an reset and ST would be able to arrive and have a short break and warmup.
Totally agree that ST has to accept more or less whatever solution and be happy to get to play, regardless "their chances".
one makes it as fair as possible, and then all accepts and moves on, making the best out of it...
The match was scheduled for 7pm KST. 3 hours later would be 10pm. By the time the match would be over it'd be what 11pm/midnight/1am? How would the crowd get home from the venue, how long would it take for the teams to get home? It'd provide a major disadvantage for the winning team as they'd get back late, they'd be tired for the next match the following day. How is this a problem? If someone doesn't have a way to get home at 11PM/midnight/1AM, then that individual human being can make the decision to leave early. I know KeSPA's hardcore, but I doubt they have armed guards at the doors keeping anyone from leaving. Other individual human beings, who do not have a problem getting home late, can elect to stay late. What about the workers that actually have to stay until the broadcast is over? What if they rely on public transportation? Maybe the mall has a closing time. This isn't some small online tournament; there are way too many things to consider, including broadcasting slots which are decided months in advance. We don't know too many things. I am not thrilled, but from their position the decision was correct. It's not debatable. Apparently it is debatable because of all the time we spent debating it in this thread. Also one map per 30 minutes wouldn't make anyone later than necessary. Many games are less than that amount of time. DEBATE Most of the comments in this thread are of the "Kespa!!! lololol" nature. Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 04:56 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 10 2015 04:46 Hier wrote:On February 10 2015 04:20 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 10 2015 04:05 KatatoniK wrote:On February 10 2015 04:00 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
just reschedule it to 3 hours later? decent solution and handable...
JA should be able to handle 3hs for an reset and ST would be able to arrive and have a short break and warmup.
Totally agree that ST has to accept more or less whatever solution and be happy to get to play, regardless "their chances".
one makes it as fair as possible, and then all accepts and moves on, making the best out of it...
The match was scheduled for 7pm KST. 3 hours later would be 10pm. By the time the match would be over it'd be what 11pm/midnight/1am? How would the crowd get home from the venue, how long would it take for the teams to get home? It'd provide a major disadvantage for the winning team as they'd get back late, they'd be tired for the next match the following day. How is this a problem? If someone doesn't have a way to get home at 11PM/midnight/1AM, then that individual human being can make the decision to leave early. I know KeSPA's hardcore, but I doubt they have armed guards at the doors keeping anyone from leaving. Other individual human beings, who do not have a problem getting home late, can elect to stay late. What about the workers that actually have to stay until the broadcast is over? What if they rely on public transportation? Maybe the mall has a closing time. And what if the series had gone to 9 games, with 3 of them being 2-hour long Swarm Host games? What then? Now imagine this scenario with the match starting 3 hours later. My point is people here are trying to run a broadcasting company without considering any of the unknowns. You cannot make decisions in a vacuum.
There wouldn't be any unknowns if KeSPA condescended to explain the situation to us mere mortals. Instead, they treat the disqualification of a quarterfinalist team like it ain't no thing. Can you imagine Blizzard disqualifying Taeja from Blizzcon prior to the Taeja vs Life match, because he got stuck on the freeway because of an accident? I can't. I find the idea ludicrous. You don't disqualify quarterfinalists for things literally out of their control when there are (unideal, be that as it may) workarounds. And nothing about KeSPA's handling of this situation screams to me "we tried everything and we really wanted this to work out, but there just wasn't any way." You'd have a lot less angry viewers if it seemed like they just gave a shit.
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On February 10 2015 05:24 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 05:03 Hier wrote:On February 10 2015 04:51 Darkhorse wrote:On February 10 2015 04:46 Hier wrote:On February 10 2015 04:20 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 10 2015 04:05 KatatoniK wrote:On February 10 2015 04:00 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
just reschedule it to 3 hours later? decent solution and handable...
JA should be able to handle 3hs for an reset and ST would be able to arrive and have a short break and warmup.
Totally agree that ST has to accept more or less whatever solution and be happy to get to play, regardless "their chances".
one makes it as fair as possible, and then all accepts and moves on, making the best out of it...
The match was scheduled for 7pm KST. 3 hours later would be 10pm. By the time the match would be over it'd be what 11pm/midnight/1am? How would the crowd get home from the venue, how long would it take for the teams to get home? It'd provide a major disadvantage for the winning team as they'd get back late, they'd be tired for the next match the following day. How is this a problem? If someone doesn't have a way to get home at 11PM/midnight/1AM, then that individual human being can make the decision to leave early. I know KeSPA's hardcore, but I doubt they have armed guards at the doors keeping anyone from leaving. Other individual human beings, who do not have a problem getting home late, can elect to stay late. What about the workers that actually have to stay until the broadcast is over? What if they rely on public transportation? Maybe the mall has a closing time. This isn't some small online tournament; there are way too many things to consider, including broadcasting slots which are decided months in advance. We don't know too many things. I am not thrilled, but from their position the decision was correct. It's not debatable. Apparently it is debatable because of all the time we spent debating it in this thread. Also one map per 30 minutes wouldn't make anyone later than necessary. Many games are less than that amount of time. DEBATE Most of the comments in this thread are of the "Kespa!!! lololol" nature. On February 10 2015 04:56 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 10 2015 04:46 Hier wrote:On February 10 2015 04:20 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 10 2015 04:05 KatatoniK wrote:On February 10 2015 04:00 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
just reschedule it to 3 hours later? decent solution and handable...
JA should be able to handle 3hs for an reset and ST would be able to arrive and have a short break and warmup.
Totally agree that ST has to accept more or less whatever solution and be happy to get to play, regardless "their chances".
one makes it as fair as possible, and then all accepts and moves on, making the best out of it...
The match was scheduled for 7pm KST. 3 hours later would be 10pm. By the time the match would be over it'd be what 11pm/midnight/1am? How would the crowd get home from the venue, how long would it take for the teams to get home? It'd provide a major disadvantage for the winning team as they'd get back late, they'd be tired for the next match the following day. How is this a problem? If someone doesn't have a way to get home at 11PM/midnight/1AM, then that individual human being can make the decision to leave early. I know KeSPA's hardcore, but I doubt they have armed guards at the doors keeping anyone from leaving. Other individual human beings, who do not have a problem getting home late, can elect to stay late. What about the workers that actually have to stay until the broadcast is over? What if they rely on public transportation? Maybe the mall has a closing time. And what if the series had gone to 9 games, with 3 of them being 2-hour long Swarm Host games? What then? Now imagine this scenario with the match starting 3 hours later. My point is people here are trying to run a broadcasting company without considering any of the unknowns. You cannot make decisions in a vacuum. There wouldn't be any unknowns if KeSPA condescended to explain the situation to us mere mortals. Instead, they treat the disqualification of a quarterfinalist team like it ain't no thing. Can you imagine Blizzard disqualifying Taeja from Blizzcon prior to the Taeja vs Life match, because he got stuck on the freeway because of an accident? I can't. I find the idea ludicrous. You don't disqualify quarterfinalists for things literally out of their control when there are (unideal, be that as it may) workarounds. And nothing about KeSPA's handling of this situation screams to me "we tried everything and we really wanted this to work out, but there just wasn't any way." You'd have a lot less angry viewers if it seemed like they just gave a shit.
Lol, DQing Taeja would be suicide.
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Does anyone know if this counts as a 4 wins for sOs's record?
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On February 10 2015 05:24 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 05:03 Hier wrote:On February 10 2015 04:51 Darkhorse wrote:On February 10 2015 04:46 Hier wrote:On February 10 2015 04:20 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 10 2015 04:05 KatatoniK wrote:On February 10 2015 04:00 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
just reschedule it to 3 hours later? decent solution and handable...
JA should be able to handle 3hs for an reset and ST would be able to arrive and have a short break and warmup.
Totally agree that ST has to accept more or less whatever solution and be happy to get to play, regardless "their chances".
one makes it as fair as possible, and then all accepts and moves on, making the best out of it...
The match was scheduled for 7pm KST. 3 hours later would be 10pm. By the time the match would be over it'd be what 11pm/midnight/1am? How would the crowd get home from the venue, how long would it take for the teams to get home? It'd provide a major disadvantage for the winning team as they'd get back late, they'd be tired for the next match the following day. How is this a problem? If someone doesn't have a way to get home at 11PM/midnight/1AM, then that individual human being can make the decision to leave early. I know KeSPA's hardcore, but I doubt they have armed guards at the doors keeping anyone from leaving. Other individual human beings, who do not have a problem getting home late, can elect to stay late. What about the workers that actually have to stay until the broadcast is over? What if they rely on public transportation? Maybe the mall has a closing time. This isn't some small online tournament; there are way too many things to consider, including broadcasting slots which are decided months in advance. We don't know too many things. I am not thrilled, but from their position the decision was correct. It's not debatable. Apparently it is debatable because of all the time we spent debating it in this thread. Also one map per 30 minutes wouldn't make anyone later than necessary. Many games are less than that amount of time. DEBATE Most of the comments in this thread are of the "Kespa!!! lololol" nature. On February 10 2015 04:56 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 10 2015 04:46 Hier wrote:On February 10 2015 04:20 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 10 2015 04:05 KatatoniK wrote:On February 10 2015 04:00 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
just reschedule it to 3 hours later? decent solution and handable...
JA should be able to handle 3hs for an reset and ST would be able to arrive and have a short break and warmup.
Totally agree that ST has to accept more or less whatever solution and be happy to get to play, regardless "their chances".
one makes it as fair as possible, and then all accepts and moves on, making the best out of it...
The match was scheduled for 7pm KST. 3 hours later would be 10pm. By the time the match would be over it'd be what 11pm/midnight/1am? How would the crowd get home from the venue, how long would it take for the teams to get home? It'd provide a major disadvantage for the winning team as they'd get back late, they'd be tired for the next match the following day. How is this a problem? If someone doesn't have a way to get home at 11PM/midnight/1AM, then that individual human being can make the decision to leave early. I know KeSPA's hardcore, but I doubt they have armed guards at the doors keeping anyone from leaving. Other individual human beings, who do not have a problem getting home late, can elect to stay late. What about the workers that actually have to stay until the broadcast is over? What if they rely on public transportation? Maybe the mall has a closing time. And what if the series had gone to 9 games, with 3 of them being 2-hour long Swarm Host games? What then? Now imagine this scenario with the match starting 3 hours later. My point is people here are trying to run a broadcasting company without considering any of the unknowns. You cannot make decisions in a vacuum. There wouldn't be any unknowns if KeSPA condescended to explain the situation to us mere mortals. Instead, they treat the disqualification of a quarterfinalist team like it ain't no thing. Can you imagine Blizzard disqualifying Taeja from Blizzcon prior to the Taeja vs Life match, because he got stuck on the freeway because of an accident? I can't. I find the idea ludicrous. You don't disqualify quarterfinalists for things literally out of their control when there are (unideal, be that as it may) workarounds. And nothing about KeSPA's handling of this situation screams to me "we tried everything and we really wanted this to work out, but there just wasn't any way." You'd have a lot less angry viewers if it seemed like they just gave a shit.
If you can name me one company that discloses all the details of all their decisions, including meeting minutes, phone call transcripts, and future plans I will understand where you're coming from. Further, all the comments regarding KeSPA "not giving a shit" need to stop, they are not productive and are clearly false.
To attend to your example, if Taeja were stuck en route to Blizzcon with no ETA and it being his turn to play, then yes, I can imagine Blizzard letting the opponent move on. If their stage had been reserved for WoW finals, or something, and then the closing ceremony they would not be able to afford to wait an unknown amount of time and push everything down.
In the position KeSPA found themselves, their decision was definitely not incorrect. Could they adjust in the future, demanding competitor presence earlier, for example, among many, to avoid something like this from happening again? Absolutely.
But please don't say things like "Well clearly the answer was X! Dumb KeSPA."
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I don't know if anyone said it.
It seems like this time, Life did not find a way.
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On February 09 2015 21:43 sparklyresidue wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 21:39 Naikonz wrote:On February 09 2015 21:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
Guys it's a TV broadcast, it's pretty reasonable in the adult world to expect people to arrive within a certain time frame. Sorry if that rustles anyone's jimmies, I wanted to see the match too, but this is pretty sensible.
Can't set a precedent where it's okay to be late, even if it's your favorite Tawainese/Korean hybrid team led by Bomber himself. This isn't like they got drunk and passed out on the subway. It was an accident. An exceptional event. If I'm late to work because of traffic, it's still my fault, not the road's. edit: Timely example. it's snowing here today, so I'm leaving an extra half hour early to make sure I get to work on time or early.
If I'm late to an exam at my university because of traffic, it wouldn't be my fault. Basically, they'll give me another date, have people there to observe the exam, even book a room for me. Just because of my traffic / public transport issues. They expect me to arrive 30min early (which kespa does as well) and if these 30min aren't enough because of reasons that are not in my power... well... that's accepted as an excuse.
And I'd assume thats how it's handled in almost every country in almost every organisation.
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So from what I can understand, the two sides of the arguments go like this:
One side is unhappy that yoestartale got disqualified because of weather conditions preventing them from reaching the venue, which was through no fault of their own. This is bad for esports and fans in general because we were robbed of a great match of sc2.
On the other side are people who think that it was fair that yst was disqualified because spotv was following the rules set forth prior to the match, which all teams agreed to abide by. This is unfortunate but necessary since we can't just bend the rules when we don't like them.
There's no need to jump down each other's throats. I think we can all agree that it sucks to not have this match played out. Hopefully this doesn't happen to the next match, and they can change the existing rule to allow for unforseen circumstances.
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On February 10 2015 05:37 Brutaxilos wrote:
Does anyone know if this counts as a 4 wins for sOs's record?
Certainly not
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Kespa was terrified something like MVP's round playoff run would happen again this season "New kespa team without a huge company sponsor about to win, I think not"
Kespa conspiracy best conspiracy
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