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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
January 27 2015 17:42 GMT
#41
On January 28 2015 02:40 Darth Caedus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 02:35 DinoMight wrote:
On January 28 2015 02:32 argonautdice wrote:
On January 28 2015 01:41 Nuubie wrote:
Only in esports, shouldn't have to happen after more than 4 years of competitive Starcraft II.

On January 28 2015 01:46 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Disgraceful for SC II as an eSport. No apologize by the responsible authorities so far?

On January 28 2015 01:48 TheDwf wrote:
Pathetic; only confirms the fact that this WCS season is unreadable

On January 28 2015 02:24 AyaaLa wrote:
Geez. What a gigantic clusterfuck. How hard is it to draw some groups? This is really unprofessional


wow you guys. nobody died. it was just Naniwa being put into the wrong bowl and the controversial "CIS" assignment. It sounds like you've never made mistakes before.


It IS really unprofessional though.

How hard is it to get this right?



How much money is in all of eSports? How much money does the NFL generate per year?

Have you seen any of the ridiculously incompetent crap that has gone down this year in one of the most profitable leagues in the world?


THe NFL is doing something a little more complicated than drawing names from a bowl though.

Though I agree that there are a lot of incompetent people everywhere.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
January 27 2015 17:43 GMT
#42
You can just tell that the Sc2 community has it's blood flowing from all the recent drama. This is what we were missing for so long!!

I do wonder how they managed to mess it up. Even then, though. I wouldn't have considered it at all a big deal. It was still very well distributed. I think the real reason for the redraw is that they saw Firecake with 3 protoss and knew that just wouldn't work.
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1105 Posts
January 27 2015 17:48 GMT
#43
On January 28 2015 02:35 DinoMight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 02:32 argonautdice wrote:
On January 28 2015 01:41 Nuubie wrote:
Only in esports, shouldn't have to happen after more than 4 years of competitive Starcraft II.

On January 28 2015 01:46 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Disgraceful for SC II as an eSport. No apologize by the responsible authorities so far?

On January 28 2015 01:48 TheDwf wrote:
Pathetic; only confirms the fact that this WCS season is unreadable

On January 28 2015 02:24 AyaaLa wrote:
Geez. What a gigantic clusterfuck. How hard is it to draw some groups? This is really unprofessional


wow you guys. nobody died. it was just Naniwa being put into the wrong bowl and the controversial "CIS" assignment. It sounds like you've never made mistakes before.


It IS really unprofessional though.

How hard is it to get this right?


They made a mistake, and now they are fixing it. I think thats as professional as it gets.
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w3c.TruE
Profile Joined November 2013
Czech Republic1055 Posts
January 27 2015 17:53 GMT
#44
On January 28 2015 02:10 Madars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 02:05 w3c.TruE wrote:
On January 28 2015 01:59 Madars wrote:
Finger crossed for NaNiWa, Polt, ForGG and Violet in the same group of hype-death, make it happen!

Can't happen, though. Only one NA player can be in one group...

Where did you get that?
In op "there can be a maximum of 2 players from the same region in one group."

This rule is there specially for the EU players, becouse there are more than 8 of them. Since there is 8 NA players and 8 groups, there will be 1 drawing basket for NA players, so they can't be in group with each other...
Dream, Dark, herO, PartinG, RorO, Bbyong, Rain, soO, PtitDrogo <3. Goodbye RorO, MC you were awesome! You will be remembered!
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
480 Posts
January 27 2015 17:54 GMT
#45
Fucking joke
asongdotnet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1060 Posts
January 27 2015 17:57 GMT
#46
On January 28 2015 02:42 DinoMight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 02:40 Darth Caedus wrote:
On January 28 2015 02:35 DinoMight wrote:
On January 28 2015 02:32 argonautdice wrote:
On January 28 2015 01:41 Nuubie wrote:
Only in esports, shouldn't have to happen after more than 4 years of competitive Starcraft II.

On January 28 2015 01:46 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Disgraceful for SC II as an eSport. No apologize by the responsible authorities so far?

On January 28 2015 01:48 TheDwf wrote:
Pathetic; only confirms the fact that this WCS season is unreadable

On January 28 2015 02:24 AyaaLa wrote:
Geez. What a gigantic clusterfuck. How hard is it to draw some groups? This is really unprofessional


wow you guys. nobody died. it was just Naniwa being put into the wrong bowl and the controversial "CIS" assignment. It sounds like you've never made mistakes before.


It IS really unprofessional though.

How hard is it to get this right?



How much money is in all of eSports? How much money does the NFL generate per year?

Have you seen any of the ridiculously incompetent crap that has gone down this year in one of the most profitable leagues in the world?


THe NFL is doing something a little more complicated than drawing names from a bowl though.

Though I agree that there are a lot of incompetent people everywhere.


Well really just an incompetent commish...
DScorpio
Profile Joined January 2015
United States8 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-27 18:03:42
January 27 2015 18:02 GMT
#47
Seems like it should be drawn like this:

Draw 8 America players to each group
Draw 8 Europe players to each group
Draw 4 China players to US studio groups
Draw 4 Europe players to EU studio groups
Draw 4 Latin America/SEA/Taiwan players to EU studio groups
Mix 4 remaining players together (2 EU and 2 LA/SEA/TW players left)
Draw 4 remaining players to US studio groups
Then shuffle the 4 names in each group and draw for opening matchups within the group.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7165 Posts
January 27 2015 18:02 GMT
#48
On January 28 2015 02:54 aringadingding wrote:
Fucking joke

Atleast they admit they made a mistake.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
January 27 2015 18:05 GMT
#49
On January 28 2015 02:35 DinoMight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 02:32 argonautdice wrote:
On January 28 2015 01:41 Nuubie wrote:
Only in esports, shouldn't have to happen after more than 4 years of competitive Starcraft II.

On January 28 2015 01:46 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Disgraceful for SC II as an eSport. No apologize by the responsible authorities so far?

On January 28 2015 01:48 TheDwf wrote:
Pathetic; only confirms the fact that this WCS season is unreadable

On January 28 2015 02:24 AyaaLa wrote:
Geez. What a gigantic clusterfuck. How hard is it to draw some groups? This is really unprofessional


wow you guys. nobody died. it was just Naniwa being put into the wrong bowl and the controversial "CIS" assignment. It sounds like you've never made mistakes before.


It IS really unprofessional though.

How hard is it to get this right?


pretty hard if you do something new and don't have everything ready even. It would be a surprise if everything went smooth on the first try, often you don't notice something went wrong, but in esport its rather open since alot of people are involved and love twitter.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
January 27 2015 18:07 GMT
#50
All they need is this guy.

+ Show Spoiler +
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Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Supersamu
Profile Joined November 2014
Germany296 Posts
January 27 2015 18:15 GMT
#51
On January 28 2015 03:05 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 02:35 DinoMight wrote:
On January 28 2015 02:32 argonautdice wrote:
On January 28 2015 01:41 Nuubie wrote:
Only in esports, shouldn't have to happen after more than 4 years of competitive Starcraft II.

On January 28 2015 01:46 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Disgraceful for SC II as an eSport. No apologize by the responsible authorities so far?

On January 28 2015 01:48 TheDwf wrote:
Pathetic; only confirms the fact that this WCS season is unreadable

On January 28 2015 02:24 AyaaLa wrote:
Geez. What a gigantic clusterfuck. How hard is it to draw some groups? This is really unprofessional


wow you guys. nobody died. it was just Naniwa being put into the wrong bowl and the controversial "CIS" assignment. It sounds like you've never made mistakes before.


It IS really unprofessional though.

How hard is it to get this right?


pretty hard if you do something new and don't have everything ready even. It would be a surprise if everything went smooth on the first try, often you don't notice something went wrong, but in esport its rather open since alot of people are involved and love twitter.


Seriously, if the people who did the drawing knew the rules how the drawing were to be made, there shouldnt have been a problem. Even if you do something for the first time, following instructions shouldn't be a problem for an adult.
Stabillo
Profile Joined February 2014
France21 Posts
January 27 2015 18:17 GMT
#52
ESL admins are so incompetent. More than not broadcasting draws, everybody finds the different WCS draws very strange.

Now they are so bad that they made mistake and want to redraw it ! HA HA SO PRO !

Please consider that hazard is important in a draw (even if we don't know how your draws are made), please consider the hazard as a key in the main SC2 competition and assume. Don't draw again and let the players play.

Can you imagine FIFA redraw a World Cup ? No. Be professionnal now.

Redrawing is preventing this competition from the fair hazard and will make all the players mad about the new draw...
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Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1198 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-27 18:25:00
January 27 2015 18:18 GMT
#53
On January 28 2015 03:02 DScorpio wrote:
Seems like it should be drawn like this:

Draw 8 America players to each group
Draw 8 Europe players to each group
Draw 4 China players to US studio groups
Draw 4 Europe players to EU studio groups
Draw 4 Latin America/SEA/Taiwan players to EU studio groups
Mix 4 remaining players together (2 EU and 2 LA/SEA/TW players left)
Draw 4 remaining players to US studio groups
Then shuffle the 4 names in each group and draw for opening matchups within the group.

This sounds like a good system. I hope they craft something similar and just follow it point by point to avoid confusion.

+ Show Spoiler +
But sometimes it's difficult to remember who is from which region and what were the regions to begin with. I know I've done this kind of mistake too in a group draw.


Edit: I think it's great that they are doing a redraw. I guess many people would not be calling them unprofessional if it was not for the redraw. Realizing mistakes and correcting them even if it makes you look bad is professional conduct.
starcraft2.fi
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7165 Posts
January 27 2015 18:19 GMT
#54
On January 28 2015 03:17 Stabillo wrote:
ESL admins are so incompetent. More than not broadcasting draws, everybody finds the different WCS draws very strange.

Now they are so bad that they made mistake and want to redraw it ! HA HA SO PRO !

Please consider that hazard is important in a draw (even if we don't know how your draws are made), please consider the hazard as a key in the main SC2 competition and assume. Don't draw again and let the players play.

Can you imagine FIFA redraw a World Cup ? No. Be professionnal now.

Redrawing is preventing this competition from the fair hazard and will make all the players mad about the new draw...

Rather fix their mistake than let it be and have somebody get fucked over by it.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
January 27 2015 18:30 GMT
#55
The whole lack of professionalism this season, from stuff like this to still having no solid source we can refer to for rules, has me pretty bummed out about Blizzard's #dedication to Starcraft. Hopefully things get better as the year goes on.
w3c.TruE
Profile Joined November 2013
Czech Republic1055 Posts
January 27 2015 18:34 GMT
#56
On January 28 2015 03:17 Stabillo wrote:
ESL admins are so incompetent. More than not broadcasting draws, everybody finds the different WCS draws very strange.

Now they are so bad that they made mistake and want to redraw it ! HA HA SO PRO !

Please consider that hazard is important in a draw (even if we don't know how your draws are made), please consider the hazard as a key in the main SC2 competition and assume. Don't draw again and let the players play.

Can you imagine FIFA redraw a World Cup ? No. Be professionnal now.

Redrawing is preventing this competition from the fair hazard and will make all the players mad about the new draw...

They would probably have to redraw too. But I just can't imagine, they would fuck up this badly...
Dream, Dark, herO, PartinG, RorO, Bbyong, Rain, soO, PtitDrogo <3. Goodbye RorO, MC you were awesome! You will be remembered!
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1839 Posts
January 27 2015 18:44 GMT
#57
The original grouping was a fucking joke. Glad they are doing this.
TL+ Member
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 27 2015 18:46 GMT
#58
On January 28 2015 03:17 Stabillo wrote:
ESL admins are so incompetent. More than not broadcasting draws, everybody finds the different WCS draws very strange.

Now they are so bad that they made mistake and want to redraw it ! HA HA SO PRO !

Please consider that hazard is important in a draw (even if we don't know how your draws are made), please consider the hazard as a key in the main SC2 competition and assume. Don't draw again and let the players play.

Can you imagine FIFA redraw a World Cup ? No. Be professionnal now.

Redrawing is preventing this competition from the fair hazard and will make all the players mad about the new draw...

Since you posted roughly the same thing in the other thread I'll do the same answer :

Isn't redrawing pretty standard and professional when the drawing is flawed and has to be modified post-drawing, meaning it does not totally respect the luck/randomness factor?
FIFA would totally redraw a World Cup if there was a flaw as major as one team being in the wrong bowl (assuming it goes public ofc). The only difference is that FIFA would have probably done the redraw immediatly or after a very short delay, not two days after (and would have announced it immediately, not one day after lol).
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Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
January 27 2015 18:47 GMT
#59
On January 28 2015 02:32 argonautdice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 01:41 Nuubie wrote:
Only in esports, shouldn't have to happen after more than 4 years of competitive Starcraft II.

Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 01:46 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Disgraceful for SC II as an eSport. No apologize by the responsible authorities so far?

Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 01:48 TheDwf wrote:
Pathetic; only confirms the fact that this WCS season is unreadable

Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 02:24 AyaaLa wrote:
Geez. What a gigantic clusterfuck. How hard is it to draw some groups? This is really unprofessional


wow you guys. nobody died. it was just Naniwa being put into the wrong bowl and the controversial "CIS" assignment. It sounds like you've never made mistakes before.


I'm not one to jump down anyone's throat, not even Blizzard's, when they mess up, but this *is* unprofessional. Really how hard is it to get something like this right? It's not like ESL, or Blizzard, are little start-ups who are organizing something like this for the first time. It's not even the first time a redraw has to happen either. I love the new format, but I really hope they get their shit in order for the next season.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 27 2015 18:47 GMT
#60
For the low, low price of 200k you could bribe FIFA into redrawing
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