EPTOn January 21 2015 03:48 Faefae wrote:
San denies he participated in matchfixing:
하... 이건 뭐 해명할수도 없고 억울하네요...
San denies he participated in matchfixing:
하... 이건 뭐 해명할수도 없고 억울하네요...
Source:
edit: Wow freeqs it's like I read your mind :D
Pinnacle voids Dark vs. San bets due to match manipulation…
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
Source: edit: Wow freeqs it's like I read your mind :D | ||
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freeqs
Poland2 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:48 Faefae wrote: San denies he participated in matchfixing: 하... 이건 뭐 해명할수도 없고 억울하네요... source..? edit: @DJHelium thanks! you will get far with your abilities! | ||
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Arvediu
Spain69 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12318 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:53 just_mo wrote: Amazing how far some peoples' heads are in the sand around here. Soccer and tennis have had huge match-fixing problems for years, and the people involved in those sports make far more than people involved in SC2. If they can be paid off to fix results, pretty easy to figure SC2 players can be as well. If Swoop's estimate for the handle (five figures) is even in the ballpark, how much of that money do you think it would take to get a player to throw one of these games? Ten percent? Could be less, honestly. All San has to do in his hypothetical is one bad blink and he pockets a quick thousand. And the fixers make off with 9k risk free. Again, Pinnacle wouldn't take action like this unless something was very obviously awry with the betting patterns. I mean the reaction of TL is surprisingly accurate right now. We don't have enough information, so we're not drawing conclusions on one side or the other. And you registered just to tell us that we should be drawing conclusions instead? What the hell? | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:50 MorDka wrote: "Sangate" has a new meaning right now :D #Sangate2015 | ||
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
first of all - Pinnacle - THE site for betting, it's a HUGE site, there's no way they would do this if they didn't find something extremely fishy (personally I really doubt they would do this if it was 1st time for same player) second thing - huge amount of money was thrown on Dark. When you hear that "line was suspicious" it means that someone was putting more and more money on Dark until it was stupid to bet on him. San crushed him 2-0 just 2 weeks ago, you wouldn't put money on Dark 1.2 odds because it means that you think that Dark has 80%+ chance of winning. There is no player in professional starcraft that has such a huge winrate even against lesser opponents (Dark has 50% zvp). Even though odds were so bad someone put even more money (probably thousands $ based on odds fluctuation) on Dark. People who have that kind of money to place bets don't put it on 1.2 proleague matches, you can bet on such bad odds only if you don't know what you're doing or if you know the result. Is it possible that it was coincidence? Yes. Is there any real evidence ingame that San threw other than playing bad? No. Is it fishy as fuck nevertheless? Oh yea. | ||
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:54 Nebuchad wrote: I mean the reaction of TL is surprisingly accurate right now. We don't have enough information, so we're not drawing conclusions on one side or the other. And you registered just to tell us that we should be drawing conclusions instead? What the hell? astroturfing in action | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
The premise that San fixed a match where he was a huge underdog doesn't make sense from the people who fixed the match perspective. The heavy favorite won. Only why was Dark such a huge favorite? 5-1 seems like insane odds for any proleague match. Maybe the betting volume was incredibly low and there were no betters for San? | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:53 just_mo wrote: Amazing how far some peoples' heads are in the sand around here. Soccer and tennis have had huge match-fixing problems for years, and the people involved in those sports make far more than people involved in SC2. If they can be paid off to fix results, pretty easy to figure SC2 players can be as well. If Swoop's estimate for the handle (five figures) is even in the ballpark, how much of that money do you think it would take to get a player to throw one of these games? Ten percent? Could be less, honestly. All San has to do in his hypothetical is one bad blink and he pockets a quick thousand. And the fixers make off with 9k risk free. Again, Pinnacle wouldn't take action like this unless something was very obviously awry with the betting patterns. What do you want us to do? Grab our pitchforks and talk shit at San? Just wait until KeSPA's statement and further investigations, because believe me KeSPA is not friendly to cheaters. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
Seriously, just stop. You want SangHo #2 to happen? | ||
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just_mo
United States23 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:54 Nebuchad wrote: I mean the reaction of TL is surprisingly accurate right now. We don't have enough information, so we're not drawing conclusions on one side or the other. And you registered just to tell us that we should be drawing conclusions instead? What the hell? I've been on here for years, just saw clueless people ITT making comments that clearly indicated they have no knowledge of betting market dynamics, etc. This is the type of stuff you need to know about to have a clue what's going on here. Also, I know Swoop, and I know his track record, he has been very successful betting on esports, up over 100 units AFAIK, trying to establish that he has a good amount of credibility when it comes to this stuff. Understandable people here don't know who he is or much about sports betting, trying to help people understand. | ||
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Zzzapper
1797 Posts
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
i mean wtf, this betting site can find something as fishy as they want, as long as they dont show up with evidence they should fuck off and dont accuse someone of match fixing | ||
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MrVideo
Ireland132 Posts
If the odds were in San's favour at the time, surely some rich kid with as much betting experience as I do (i.e. none) could have seen these odds and wanted to throw some cash towards his favourite player of whatever. I know this scenario is roughly as likely as matchfixing at this point with what we know, but I find it hard to believe that something like this happening on a public, well-known site is evidence of anything. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:59 just_mo wrote: I've been on here for years, just saw clueless people ITT making comments that clearly indicated they have no knowledge of betting market dynamics, etc. This is the type of stuff you need to know about to have a clue what's going on here. Also, I know Swoop, and I know his track record, he has been very successful betting on esports, up over 100 units AFAIK, trying to establish that he has a good amount of credibility when it comes to this stuff. Understandable people here don't know who he is or much about sports betting, trying to help people understand. I think we all understood that you know that Swoop and think he is right. Now that's still not a reason to go crazy without facts while waiting for further proofs is the correct thing to do. | ||
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just_mo
United States23 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:56 dsousa wrote: Why would you fix a match to go the way that it was overwhelming favored to go? Why do all that risk for only a 20% gain, when you can do the same risk and bet on an underdog and get 500% gain. (at 5-1) The premise that San fixed a match where he was a huge underdog doesn't make sense from the people who fixed the match perspective. The heavy favorite won. Only why was Dark such a huge favorite? 5-1 seems like insane odds for any proleague match. Maybe the betting volume was incredibly low and there were no betters for San? See, San most likely opened as 3:2 or so dog is my guess from what I've gathered on here. And someone max bet Dark over and over and over until he was a massive favorite. When you make max bets, it moves the line. The reason there is a betting limit it partially because the book wants to adjust the odds after a max bet to try to make it less attractive to bet that side. Yet someone kept max betting Dark at worse and worse odds until he was an overwhelming favorite to win a one-game series against a fellow professional. | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
(above) Yes, it makes sense that pinnacle would flag it purely based on the betting. Perhaps they got so little action for San despite running up the odds. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:58 supernovamaniac wrote: I find it funny that weird betting patterns imply 100% matchfixing. Seriously, just stop. You want SangHo #2 to happen? If your goal as a bet taking business is to not get ripped off, step one is figuring out how to extrapolate when your numbers are being messed with externally. I'm personally content with saying something messy was going going on with Pinnacle's data, I don't think we need to launch from there to match fixing. | ||
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just_mo
United States23 Posts
On January 21 2015 04:02 OtherWorld wrote: I think we all understood that you know that Swoop and think he is right. Now that's still not a reason to go crazy without facts while waiting for further proofs is the correct thing to do. I don't know if he's right, but the evidence looks pretty bad for San. blah's post above summarizes things rather well. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
Why would you bet so hard in favour of one player that it skews the payout the other way? According to http://www.esports-betting.pro/starcraft2/ Dark was favoured at 1.467 to San at 2.800. So the bets put the favour even further to Dark's side and then Dark won? | ||
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