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Matchfixing is a very serious offence and accusations of matchfixing should not be made lightly. Please avoid making accusations against specific individuals unless you have substantial proof, or until further information is released. (0620 KST) | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:38 ilikeredheads wrote: pretty shady to accuse someone without actually showing some evidence. A player's reputation is on the line here. I really doubt they have zero evidence, maybe they're displaying some kinda evidence to KeSPA and don't want to make it public before KeSPA knows? We'll just have to wait. If they don't have any then you are right of course. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12502 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: It's completely different stories. EffOrt and Hydra were accused apparently by Coach Park without any evidence, so there was just black cat between them. Pinnacle is respected though, so it's not cool. Even though, i don't see how T1 player can be involved in it, with oov even saying that he won't talk to Bisu at all if he plays showmatches against saviOr and San throwing intentionally seems random. Hope for best things ofc. Dark is obviously not involved. If he was involved he could have just told San to go nexus first and 9-pooled him or something like that. | ||
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ClueClueClue
Sweden1203 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: It's completely different stories. EffOrt and Hydra were accused apparently by Coach Park without any evidence, so there was just black cat between them. Pinnacle is respected though, so it's not cool. Even though, i don't see how T1 player can be involved in it, with oov even saying that he won't talk to Bisu at all if he plays showmatches against saviOr and San throwing intentionally seems random. Hope for best things ofc. It's not like there are million bets on esports, so it's not same level of evidence as in real sports. Why would Dark be involved if San's the supposed thrower? | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:31 WinterWoes wrote: It is quite late at night in Korea so you might have to wait a while for any response. Haha damn yes im a bit stupid  Thanks for reminding me xD | ||
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RiskyChris
125 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:36 ClueClueClue wrote: The only viable proof is actual transactions and chat logs imo. You can look at any game and point at both players' mistakes and say "he did that on purpose!". Because mistakes are made in heaps every day in the world of starcraft; nothing fishy about that necessarily, since that's how you lose any game, not just the ones you throw... This is true. That said, Pinnacle isn't in the business of playing Referee for KeSPA, they're in the business of protecting their customers. If they have a strong, strong suspicion that the game was rigged, they do the "right" thing by making sure no one loses money on an unethical match. | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
For now this is just a betting site without evidences, and a random dude with way too few evidences. | ||
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:35 The_Templar wrote: Based on some of the responses in this thread, this isn't a random site? the only guy saying that has less than 10 posts... the priority of san is to play in foreigner tournaments and his team cares really little about proleague. on the other hand dark the priority of dark is to make skt happy, and this is winning games in the proleague. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:40 just_mo wrote: Where are people getting the idea that there is no evidence? Pinnacle clearly has plenty of it, line movements can tell you quite a bit. An example: http://www.sportdw.com/2014/08/how-to-fix-tennis-match-by-boy.html This is no evidence, because it could theorically happen without match fixing. This just suggests that there is something, and thus an investigation should begin. But it's not guilty until proven innocent, it's the opposite, so it'd have been nice if the Twitter guy didn't talk trash at San. | ||
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Jankoj
3 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: It's completely different stories. EffOrt and Hydra were accused apparently by Coach Park without any evidence, so there was just black cat between them. Pinnacle is respected though, so it's not cool. Even though, i don't see how T1 player can be involved in it, with oov even saying that he won't talk to Bisu at all if he plays showmatches against saviOr and San throwing intentionally seems random. Hope for best things ofc yeah, i know that these are different stories,but i think its interesting how many players are beeing acused of match fixing these days. it can destroy the carrers of these players. | ||
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Nukanukanuka
Niger1 Post
On January 21 2015 03:41 Nebuchad wrote: Dark is obviously not involved. If he was involved he could have just told San to go nexus first and 9-pooled him or something like that. Shut up if your match fixing you gotta make it believable so fucks like you fall for it User was warned for this post | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12502 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:46 Nukanukanuka wrote: Shut up if your match fixing you gotta make it believable so fucks like you fall for it So? What's unbelievable about what I said? It happens reasonably often, actually it happened in the last game of Soulkey vs San in GSL a few days ago... | ||
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aidoSC
Russian Federation40 Posts
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just_mo
United States23 Posts
On January 21 2015 03:44 xuanzue wrote: the only guy saying that has less than 10 posts... the priority of san is to play in foreigner tournaments and his team cares really little about proleague. on the other hand dark the priority of dark is to make skt happy, and this is winning games in the proleague. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnacle_Sports Do your own research if you don't believe me, bud. Pinnacle shapes the sports betting lines worldwide. Many people make money simply by betting lines at other books that are off from Pinnacle lines because those are considered to be the sharpest lines in the world. | ||
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Faefae
2203 Posts
하... 이건 뭐 해명할수도 없고 억울하네요... | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
I know this community and the penchant it has for preemptively pulling out torches and pitchforks, but please, just this once, let's take a breather and let this actually get figured out instead of throwing someone under the bus before any evidence has come into play. | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9179 Posts
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MorDka
Poland543 Posts
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freeqs
Poland2 Posts
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pretender58
Germany713 Posts
Instead of wildly speculating, we should wait for concrete evidence or official statements clarifying this. And until proven otherwise, San is innocent. | ||
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just_mo
United States23 Posts
Again, Pinnacle wouldn't take action like this unless something was very obviously awry with the betting patterns. | ||
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