• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:47
CEST 21:47
KST 04:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon100Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 8/8 Yamato Cup Series StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall KSL Week #92
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! Syncronization issues and can't find games Remastered crash fix suggestions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group C [ASL22] Ro16 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Post Your Watch!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10956 users

2015 Season 1 Map Pool Changes - January 6 - Page 5

Forum Index > SC2 General
100 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1387 Posts
January 07 2015 18:24 GMT
#81
Overgrowth ... lol, there goes one veto
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7799 Posts
January 07 2015 19:07 GMT
#82
I love reading the feedback from spectators who don't realize how fucking awful all the non-Overgrowth maps actually are. For the sake of balance this move needed to be done.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
January 07 2015 19:20 GMT
#83
I'm actually really upset with this. Another season of standard, familiar games on overgrowth. Though its the best looking map aesthetically, its just time for it to leave. They should have brought Frost back or something. Or done a community vote as to which of the three remaining old maps to eliminate and which one to replace it with (with obvious discretion on which maps are available to vote for)
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
January 07 2015 20:09 GMT
#84
all I care is that Catallena is still in the map pool
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
January 07 2015 20:11 GMT
#85
On January 08 2015 02:26 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 02:14 SatedSC2 wrote:
On January 08 2015 02:13 KingAlphard wrote:
Also, it's so funny to see everyone here complaining about blizzard's decision. Let's take a look at this poll which was made when blizzard initially announced that they wanted to remove Overgrowth.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/473713-poll-which-maps-would-you-kick-from-last-season

Foxtrot: kick 73%, remain 27%
Overgrowth: kick 31%, remain 69%.

Looking at this thread it seems like the % are inverted.
Proof that whatever blizzard does, the community will say that they did it wrong.

I don't think people are bemoaning the removal of Foxtrot.

They are bemoaning the fact that shit maps are still in the map-pool.

I think so too, although Foxtrot is a legit good and balanced map. Overgrowth replacing any of the new Blizzard maps wouldn't have made a lot of people angry.


I think it would have even made everyone happy. Who's eager to play on Inferno Pools or Secret Spring, seriously ?
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
January 07 2015 20:30 GMT
#86
On January 08 2015 05:09 Noonius wrote:
all I care is that Catallena is still in the map pool

you dirty terran
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
wUndertUnge
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1126 Posts
January 07 2015 20:35 GMT
#87
On January 08 2015 02:26 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 02:14 SatedSC2 wrote:
On January 08 2015 02:13 KingAlphard wrote:
Also, it's so funny to see everyone here complaining about blizzard's decision. Let's take a look at this poll which was made when blizzard initially announced that they wanted to remove Overgrowth.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/473713-poll-which-maps-would-you-kick-from-last-season

Foxtrot: kick 73%, remain 27%
Overgrowth: kick 31%, remain 69%.

Looking at this thread it seems like the % are inverted.
Proof that whatever blizzard does, the community will say that they did it wrong.

I don't think people are bemoaning the removal of Foxtrot.

They are bemoaning the fact that shit maps are still in the map-pool.

I think so too, although Foxtrot is a legit good and balanced map. Overgrowth replacing any of the new Blizzard maps wouldn't have made a lot of people angry.


I was told that I was wrong for thinking Foxtrot was a good map. It's super legit to me, although I am currently only a plat player.
Clan: QQGC - wundertunge#1850
TL+ Member
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7799 Posts
January 07 2015 22:22 GMT
#88
Foxtrot isn't as bad as some of the maps like Nimbus, but it's still a really shitty map for Zerg. :/
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 23:06:17
January 07 2015 23:05 GMT
#89
On January 08 2015 07:22 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Foxtrot isn't as bad as some of the maps like Nimbus, but it's still a really shitty map for Zerg. :/


I don't think it is really shitty. It's allin-friendly against zerg, yet not broken and the macro game on it is quite OK. As you say, it is better than Nimbus and in my opinion also quite better than Deadwing or Catallena for Zerg.

I really dig your other comment:
On January 08 2015 04:07 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I love reading the feedback from spectators who don't realize how fucking awful all the non-Overgrowth maps actually are. For the sake of balance this move needed to be done.

It's not like there is not that much of a difference how a solid standard game looks like on Foxtrot, Overgrowth or say Merry Go Round anyways. Yet, out of all the maps around
    it produces the most balanced games in all the matchups
    it allows for a variety of playstyles - think the diversity of bio/mech in ZvT/TvT that is possible
    it features interesting expansion patterns - 1-2 third base choices and 2-3 base choices
    and a few gimmicky plays - mainly for Zerg through the gold bases, but also tank sieges on the natural from the third in TvT.


The map is just rocksolid and a pleasure to play on as you can play your heart out in nearly any way that pleases you. People who hate on it for being old or stale may not even play the game or mistake seeing/playing the map again with seeing a strategy again.
Yes, it's getting a bit old, but for as long as blizzard doesn't manage to have at least 3 of 6 other maps being similarily balanced and strategically interesting, I don't see a point in replacing it.
Garemie
Profile Joined April 2011
United States248 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 07:00:55
January 08 2015 06:58 GMT
#90
I dunno. I really don't want any old maps ever again.

I kinda like Merry Go Round actually.

Bomber | CJ herO | Snute
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
January 08 2015 13:13 GMT
#91
Good move imho. Can't please all the people all the time! We all have favorites or pet hates. Still wished blizz would promote more of the communities maps though.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
January 08 2015 15:13 GMT
#92
Why all the whining?
I personally liked all the maps from the last pool.
Dreampool was disaster but that was fun.
We know the issues maps. We know Toss gets dropped on nimbus and Deadwing is Turtly as hell.
So just adjust your play.
The maps should not be perfect. They should be different. thats it.

Its like with girls. There are no perfect one. And they are all different. And I wouldn't veto any of them.
LuckyGnomTV
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Russian Federation367 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 16:24:50
January 08 2015 16:24 GMT
#93
Overgrowth is great and all, but cmon, removing fun map foxtrot instead of shitmap catalena? like, wtf?
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
January 08 2015 16:28 GMT
#94
we have hard time to have good and different maps anyway. Blink, FF and speedivacs are the reasons.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
January 08 2015 16:57 GMT
#95
I want Frost back. Was it super imba or something? I just remember great games from it, but sometimes I weed out the unpleasant memories.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
GoStu
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada60 Posts
January 12 2015 21:11 GMT
#96
I'm okay with Overgrowth coming back. It's balanced and it has survived many seasons of pro play. I object to the fact that of all the maps they chose to pull, they chose Foxtrot Labs.

Deadwing, and Secret Spring really should have gone first. Secret Spring just looks broken. If they must keep the new maps, swap in Inferno Pools to at least have a new big boring macro map (BBMM) instead of an old big boring macro map. Or turf both the BBMM's and keep KSS or any other old map. I'd even support keeping something retro in the pool like a one-map dreampool.
"Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense"
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3553 Posts
January 15 2015 21:10 GMT
#97
Does anybody else have a problem with Vaani Research station? For some reason it seems "foggy" to me, like the colours are not right.
Apart from that, I really dislike Secret Spring and the other one with the nat in the back of the main. One of those 2 would have been ok (though i dont like either) but putting twice the same feature looks like laziness to me
Horang2 fan
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 15 2015 21:34 GMT
#98
On January 09 2015 01:57 sparklyresidue wrote:
I want Frost back. Was it super imba or something? I just remember great games from it, but sometimes I weed out the unpleasant memories.


Towards the end of its lifetime it became quite Zerg favored vs Terran. Which was still pre-hellbat and pre-mine buffs though. Also I think it was quite a good blinkmap in the heydays of Protoss vs Terran.

On January 16 2015 06:10 WGT-Baal wrote:
Does anybody else have a problem with Vaani Research station? For some reason it seems "foggy" to me, like the colours are not right.


Yes, I think they messed up the falloff of the fog that covers the outer areas. The higher you get on the map, the better it is, but on the lowground it's all milky white.

On January 16 2015 06:10 WGT-Baal wrote:
Apart from that, I really dislike Secret Spring and the other one with the nat in the back of the main. One of those 2 would have been ok (though i dont like either) but putting twice the same feature looks like laziness to me


Well, one could argue that natural-in-front-of-the-main on most maps is also a specific feature, so I don't really mind if they put the natural-behind-the-main feature on multiple maps, if it works out. But I don't think it increases gamequality, in particular because they put it on 2player maps with 1wide ramps instead of 2wide ramps with rocks blocking initially.
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
January 15 2015 21:38 GMT
#99
Looks like I will still not play Sc2 ladder
aka Kalevi
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 15 2015 21:56 GMT
#100
On January 16 2015 06:38 404AlphaSquad wrote:
Looks like I will still not play Sc2 ladder

Try testing out some community maps then (;
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RotterdaM Event
16:15
Rotti's PatchesSC Open #4
RotterdaM899
IndyStarCraft 264
TKL 239
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 914
ByuN 545
IndyStarCraft 256
TKL 229
EmSc Tv 25
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 20628
Shuttle 923
Dewaltoss 175
Sexy 48
Barracks 38
scan(afreeca) 36
Trap 14
Dota 2
BananaSlamJamma412
monkeys_forever100
League of Legends
Doublelift626
Counter-Strike
fl0m850
pashabiceps850
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby2952
Liquid`Hasu382
MindelVK18
Other Games
summit1g5427
FrodaN3014
hiko930
KnowMe359
B2W.Neo309
ToD178
C9.Mang0132
ArmadaUGS88
QueenE69
Livibee52
Trikslyr52
ZombieGrub34
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1481
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 25
EmSc2Tv 25
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 13
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 27
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3838
Other Games
• imaqtpie701
• Scarra161
• Shiphtur120
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 13m
GSL
15h 13m
AI Arena Tournament
21h 13m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
GSL
1d 15h
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
1d 19h
Spirit vs Mixu
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Shine vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Light vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.