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I was really surprized by Blizzard decision to kick all 3 maps which koreans used in their WCS.. In my opinion - these 3 maps were the only playable maps in the mappool. Because on these maps you could play either passive or agressive, based on your preferences. And the maps left - already select style for you. And because the maps left - are less balanced. So i decided to make different polls to see, whether people agree with me or not.
If you were in Blizzard place - would you kick 3 korean WCS maps or 3 maps they remained?
Poll: Would you kick 3 maps which Blizzard kicked or 3 maps which left?No, i would kick Catallena, Deadwing and Foxtrot (113) 74% I would kick Overgrowth, Merry Go Round and King Sejong like Blizzard did (39) 26% 152 total votes Your vote: Would you kick 3 maps which Blizzard kicked or 3 maps which left? (Vote): I would kick Overgrowth, Merry Go Round and King Sejong like Blizzard did
(Vote): No, i would kick Catallena, Deadwing and Foxtrot
Also please select 3 maps from following to kick and 3 to remain (i didn't add Nimbus because it's quite obvious that this map is imbalanced and terran favoured)
Poll: Catallenakick (126) 76% remain (40) 24% 166 total votes Your vote: Catallena (Vote): kick
(Vote): remain
Poll: Overgrowthremain (116) 68% kick (54) 32% 170 total votes Your vote: Overgrowth (Vote): kick
(Vote): remain
Poll: Merry Go Roundkick (92) 57% remain (69) 43% 161 total votes Your vote: Merry Go Round (Vote): kick
(Vote): remain
Poll: Deadwingkick (101) 66% remain (52) 34% 153 total votes Your vote: Deadwing (Vote): kick
(Vote): remain
Poll: King Sejongremain (115) 69% kick (51) 31% 166 total votes Your vote: King Sejong (Vote): kick
(Vote): remain
Poll: Foxtrotkick (122) 73% remain (46) 27% 168 total votes Your vote: Foxtrot (Vote): kick
(Vote): remain
Thanks for your time!
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I love Nimbus. I've enjoyed ever single pro game I've ever seen on it, which is more than I can see for any other map. But I would never not cheese in ZvT on that map.
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Every terran likes Nimbus! ))
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hmmm. I want to keep KSS, Overgrowth and Foxtrot. Kick MGR, Deadwing, Catallena, and Nimbus.
MGR is usually pretty lame with shorter and predictable games. Catallena and Nimbus seem to have some of the worst statistical balance in recent memory. Granted, Nimbus at least has produced some great games this year. Deadwing....surprisingly not as bad as I initially thought it was going to be but still not a particularly impressive map.
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Nimbus is good for pvz, quite a few great pvz was played on the map. Half decent for tvz actually. Horrible for pvt.
Catallena is really dependent on spawn position for pvt. It's impossible to get 3rd base in pvt if you have to expand towards terran.
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I don't know how this happened, but I meant to say Foxtrot and just got confused. I like Nimbus too. As long as you take down those rocks early on that Terran likes to hide siege tanks behind, it's a fine map to play ZvT on.
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I honestly dont mind that much but I do want to kick the new blizz maps they suggested.
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i agree with blizzards decision to remove overgrowth, KSS and merry go round. Sure they are one of the best maps ever created but they are just to old. Better keep the map pool fresh instead of keeping the good maps forever.
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Catallena - 'remain'
Overgrowth - 'remain'
Merry Go Round - 'kick'
Deadwing - 'kick'
King Sejong Station - 'remain'
Foxtrot Labs - 'kick'
Sort of a combination of the two I suppose, but it seems most people more or less agree Overgrowth and KSS should stay while Deadwing and Foxtrot go... I personally favor Catallena over Mery Go Round though.
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Olli
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I would kick literally every single one of them, and 3/4 of these new Blizzard maps
KSS and Overgrowth are the only good maps in the pool currently and they've been around for a while and feel a bit stale.
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Blizzard: We want to help zergs via maps. -> remove decent maps for Z, leave bad maps for Z. #Blizzardlogic.
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On December 19 2014 17:46 Strelok wrote:
Every terran likes Nimbus! ))
And that's why u skiped it in ur poll. But as P player I hate it to play vs T, considering some strange spawn location when my natural is just one medivac boost away from main of terran :D
So no thans, let Deadwing to stay and take ur Nimbus 
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On December 19 2014 19:18 Charoisaur wrote:
i agree with blizzards decision to remove overgrowth, KSS and merry go round. Sure they are one of the best maps ever created but they are just to old. Better keep the map pool fresh instead of keeping the good maps forever.
Better to keep the map pool fresh by adding new, good maps? Yes. Better to keep the map pool fresh by adding terrible maps? Eh, I don't know.
Blizzard's choice makes little sense, but hey considering Blizzard's policy towards maps it's hardly surprising. At this point I really don't know why they keep making maps. I mean, the community makes free maps of high quality. Why spend money to make worse maps?
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I think you need to remove 3 less popular maps and add 3 new maps. And not judge just on it's oldness...
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I love Overgrowth and KSS. Nimbus and Deadwing I hate. The rest I'm really neutral about. Altough I play zerg and some have been proven broken for other races lol.
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On December 19 2014 23:47 Strelok wrote:
I think you need to remove 3 less popular maps and add 3 new maps. And not judge just on it's oldness...
the problem with that is that you get cases like we had in WoL, where we were playing on ohana/CK and daybreak for years, we're actualy not far off from this, as some of these maps were about to become a year old in use if they weren't kicked.
the real problem here is how slow map rotation in WCS is, and interuptions like dreampool, or aditions of blizzard maps make this even more problematic.
here is a scary thought for you, out of the 3 blizzard maps, 2 will be played for 6months long if they were to remove one alongside the old maps, and after that it may very well be possible to add another 3 months to one or all of them.
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It was time for Merry, KSS and Overgrowth to go. They were played since S2 and we had to get rid of them. Nothing undiscovered, everygame that was played there, has been played somewhere else.
Getting rid of em was good for the game, not getting rid of catallena was bad.
Foxtrot has pretty decent winrate for all races and every race vetos it and dislikes it. Yet the map is still undiscovered and rarely seen and when we see Foxtrot, we see high action games from beginning to the (early) end. Lots of to base play, lots of push, retreat and defend matches with a high pace. The map pushes the players out of their comfortzone and thus it is hated, they have to adept, use their brain and not copy the same buildorder and wall like in every other game. I am really glad that Blizzard did not trash it.
But I am annoyed that Deadwing and Catallena stayed: Deadwing leads to the most boring games. Turtlemech and Turtlehosts like it. And nothing to say about "give me dat airspace"-catallena with all the other problems this map has.
When S2 came out last year, everyone hated Merry go Round. Now people cry for it. Times change but I am glad that we lost these just to old, 100% discovered and thus boring maps.
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On December 19 2014 23:57 Clonester wrote:
When S2 came out last year, everyone hated Merry go Round. Now people cry for it. Times change but I am glad that we lost these just to old, 100% discovered and thus boring maps.
I think that just shows how much worse current map pool is
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I want just 7 new maps. Overgrowth and KSS are good yes, but they're so played out and I'm sick of them. Give us 7 new maps, make 5 of them or something community maps and make everyone happy. Expedition Lost is good so far, but the entire rest of the map pool is terrible. Secret Spring may be the worst thing every.
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