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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
On December 04 2014 07:14 Cricketer12 wrote: I hope so, colossi are boring, ht much better, more fun Same here, I love diversity. When I offrace as Protoss, I still try and play Templar vs T, even though it doesn't usually work against the smart Terrans. It just feels so much more like classic BW Protoss to me :D Also, I think it's much more fun to watch in professional matches. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On December 04 2014 06:57 SC2Toastie wrote: That got me excited. Balance through maps ^_^! Please no more Daedalus Point or huge maps though : don't bring stupid maps (retardedly wide ramps, Alterzim Stronghold like maps...) just to "help" Zergs. | ||
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Zanzabarr
Canada217 Posts
I'm pretty sure the same thing happened when they decided to give mutalisks insane regeneration. After they gave reapers regen, they looked at the muta and went. Hmm reaper = mobile harass unit and it has regen.... muta = harass unit, we need to give it regen! | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19305 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10690 Posts
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starslayer
United States696 Posts
On December 04 2014 07:22 Zanzabarr wrote: I don't understand why it takes Blizzard months and months to figure out how to balance something they made overpowered when it was pretty obvious from the get go. I mean, I'm pretty sure their thought process initially went like this. "Hmm, widow mine not so good against protoss, lets give it +40 damage to shields for single target! Hmm, we want to buff it more, lets give it + shield damage on its aoe too! How much? +40 because that's how much bonus shield damage it does to single target too!" Completely disregarding the fact that the aoe is 1/3 of the damage of the single target, hence giving both the same + shield damage was completely idiotic. It should have been +15 or +20 at the start. I don't see how they could have missed the fact that a 75/25 cost unit one-shotting sentries and templars with its 1.75 radius aoe was a bit problematic. I'm pretty sure the same thing happened when they decided to give mutalisks insane regeneration. After they gave reapers regen, they looked at the muta and went. Hmm reaper = mobile harass unit and it has regen.... muta = harass unit, we need to give it regen! lol muta always had regen just not as crazy lol. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On December 04 2014 07:22 BisuDagger wrote: Keep your widow mines and bring back the amulet Bisudagger confirmed crazy | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On December 04 2014 07:22 BisuDagger wrote: Keep your widow mines and bring back the amulet Oh hell no :p. If it came to that I would gladly give up my widow mines AND my hellbats. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
They still need to address early game TvP issues like proxied oracles/proxy twilight and all the other early game all-ins that make the early game a guessing game for Terran. I do not think any SC2 fan will be happy with another Terran nerf. Only reason Terrans are doing so well in tourneys are because most of the top level Protosses are cheesey and maps that favored random bullshit were removed like yeonsu. Forgg was a previous MSL champion, MKP champion material, same with every other big name Terran you can name. Then go through the list of Protosses and it's a lot of players that usually all-in like 50% of their games -_- TBH tho, wish blizzard would look at siege tank damage in TvP - they do not trade whatsoever for their current cost. | ||
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On December 04 2014 07:28 avilo wrote: More Terran nerfs, not good. But i don't expect much from blizzard anymore tbh when it comes to patching or knowing what they are doing. They still need to address early game TvP issues like proxied oracles/proxy twilight and all the other early game all-ins that make the early game a guessing game for Terran. I do not think any SC2 fan will be happy with another Terran nerf. Only reason Terrans are doing so well in tourneys are because most of the top level Protosses are cheesey and maps that favored random bullshit were removed like yeonsu. Forgg was a previous MSL champion, MKP champion material, same with every other big name Terran you can name. Then go through the list of Protosses and it's a lot of players that usually all-in like 50% of their games -_- TBH tho, wish blizzard would look at siege tank damage in TvP - they do not trade whatsoever for their current cost. What do you mean, another, Terran nerf? Terrans have been getting nothing but buffs since HotS came out. The only nerf was reversed. Also, I think you seem to be the only one struggling with these things. Maybe because your play style is extremely predictable? Just my guess. Not everyone enjoys playing 2 hour snoozefests you know. You're a niche streamer but for the vast majority of people that shit is super boring. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On December 04 2014 07:28 avilo wrote: More Terran nerfs, not good. But i don't expect much from blizzard anymore tbh when it comes to patching or knowing what they are doing. They still need to address early game TvP issues like proxied oracles/proxy twilight and all the other early game all-ins that make the early game a guessing game for Terran. I do not think any SC2 fan will be happy with another Terran nerf. Only reason Terrans are doing so well in tourneys are because most of the top level Protosses are cheesey and maps that favored random bullshit were removed like yeonsu. Forgg was a previous MSL champion, MKP champion material, same with every other big name Terran you can name. Then go through the list of Protosses and it's a lot of players that usually all-in like 50% of their games -_- TBH tho, wish blizzard would look at siege tank damage in TvP - they do not trade whatsoever for their current cost. Why do people have to win in a certain way? What makes an all-in a non-valid strategy? Are there tournament rules I am unaware of that don't allow certain build orders? | ||
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Tresher
Germany404 Posts
On December 04 2014 07:28 avilo wrote: More Terran nerfs, not good. But i don't expect much from blizzard anymore tbh when it comes to patching or knowing what they are doing. They still need to address early game TvP issues like proxied oracles/proxy twilight and all the other early game all-ins that make the early game a guessing game for Terran. I do not think any SC2 fan will be happy with another Terran nerf. Only reason Terrans are doing so well in tourneys are because most of the top level Protosses are cheesey and maps that favored random bullshit were removed like yeonsu. Forgg was a previous MSL champion, MKP champion material, same with every other big name Terran you can name. Then go through the list of Protosses and it's a lot of players that usually all-in like 50% of their games -_- TBH tho, wish blizzard would look at siege tank damage in TvP - they do not trade whatsoever for their current cost. Players that almost never use mines and think they suck against Protoss have no right to complain about this (not final) change. So stop whining. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 04 2014 07:20 [PkF] Wire wrote: Please no more Daedalus Point or huge maps though : don't bring stupid maps (retardedly wide ramps, Alterzim Stronghold like maps...) just to "help" Zergs. Alterzim wasn't even a good Zerg map... The first half of its existance was a drop hell against Terran and the second half of it was every Protoss picking it in tournaments against zergs. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On December 04 2014 07:38 Big J wrote: Alterzim wasn't even a good Zerg map... The first half of its existance was a drop hell against Terran and the second half of it was every Protoss picking it in tournaments against zergs. Alterzm was "good for Zerg" until people figured out that you can hide pretty much anything anywhere and 3 base allin like a pro. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3472 Posts
On December 04 2014 07:27 ZenithM wrote: Oh hell no :p. If it came to that I would gladly give up my widow mines AND my hellbats. A man can dream though.. a man can dream.. Should probably wait till LotV to implement such a huge change though :/ | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 04 2014 07:39 DinoMight wrote: Alterzm was "good for Zerg" until people figured out that you can hide pretty much anything anywhere and 3 base allin like a pro. Well, it's also superbad for Swarm Hosts which makes lategame vs Protoss a huge pain in the ass, as games like Zest vs soO have showcased. And in general creeping on those maps towards your opponent is so hard and so easy to remove huge parts of it again, that even in the open it is quite hard to get favorable engagements in the lategame. | ||
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parkufarku
882 Posts
On December 04 2014 07:22 BisuDagger wrote: Keep your widow mines and bring back the amulet Keep the amulet and bring back the SC1 storm. SC1 storm causing TvP problems? It's the maps, change the maps and balance will be restored. | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
On December 04 2014 07:47 parkufarku wrote: Keep the amulet and bring back the SC1 storm. SC1 storm causing TvP problems? It's the maps, change the maps and balance will be restored. Keep your SC1 storms and give me back my vultures with spider mines. No particular reason, I just love vultures with spider mines. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On December 04 2014 07:38 Big J wrote: Alterzim wasn't even a good Zerg map... The first half of its existance was a drop hell against Terran and the second half of it was every Protoss picking it in tournaments against zergs. Well my point was more "don't make retarded maps that obviously favor one race". It's not like Zerg is doing absolutely awful, more than T is doing so well lately and the WM slight nerf + map changes should solve that issue. If the next legit map pool contains maps as bad as Nimbus or Catallena were, I'll be really disappointed though. | ||
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