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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-07 20:33:18
December 07 2014 20:33 GMT
#361
On December 07 2014 20:28 p14c wrote:
It's not surprising since D. Kim gets his "pro-feedback" from people like Tod and Huk.


Tod and Huk are the worst people for David Kim to listen to. Don't think you'll find two more biased players in the scene. He should ask Demuslim for feedback as he can be trusted.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
starslayer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States696 Posts
December 08 2014 03:11 GMT
#362
so now that life won wcs, parting won hsc, forgg won DH, SOS won hot6, and either toss or terran will win IEM can we say the game is pretty balanced and new maps that help zerg would make it just about perfect. is this really needed i mean come on this is just silly.
i came here to kickass and chew bubblegum and i'm all out of bubble gum
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-08 03:47:54
December 08 2014 03:46 GMT
#363
On December 08 2014 12:11 starslayer wrote:
so now that life won wcs, parting won hsc, forgg won DH, SOS won hot6, and either toss or terran will win IEM can we say the game is pretty balanced and new maps that help zerg would make it just about perfect. is this really needed i mean come on this is just silly.

From my humble low-league opinion, zergs will be well developed in lotv like Terrans are in WoL and HotS. Many viable strategies even at tier1, more powerfull defencing tools, more ways to attack enemy and finaly ways to dictate the game.

Now every ZvT usually muta-bane-ling. Only rarely we can see something exotic like Swarm Host vs Terran with bio. That worked well for one or two games, then it goes again back to classic muta-ling-bane.
691175002
Profile Joined August 2010
122 Posts
December 08 2014 03:52 GMT
#364
I don't see this going through after Hot6 and IEM.
meenamjah
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada51 Posts
December 08 2014 03:57 GMT
#365
On December 08 2014 12:11 starslayer wrote:
so now that life won wcs, parting won hsc, forgg won DH, SOS won hot6, and either toss or terran will win IEM can we say the game is pretty balanced and new maps that help zerg would make it just about perfect. is this really needed i mean come on this is just silly.


seriously, what's wrong with those idiots? first, they refuse to fix the obviously broken infestor for, what, almost two years?. and now they're just nerfing and buffing without giving things enough time to settle. just when other races were adjusting to terran, they completely nerf terran into the ground. so they buff terran. now that everyone's adjusting to it again, they're gonna nerf. the stupidity is mind boggling.
Never delay until tomorrow what you can delay until next week.
Maniak_
Profile Joined October 2010
France305 Posts
December 08 2014 04:37 GMT
#366
On December 08 2014 12:57 meenamjah wrote:
[...] first, they refuse to fix the obviously broken infestor for, what, almost two years?. [...] just when other races were adjusting to terran, they completely nerf terran into the ground. [...] now that everyone's adjusting to it again, they're gonna nerf. the stupidity is mind boggling.

Yup, you're right. The stupidity is mind boggling.
"They make psychiatrists get psychoanalyzed before they can get certified, but they don't make a surgeon get cut on. Does that seem right to you?" -- Jubal Early - Firefly
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
December 08 2014 04:43 GMT
#367
PvP Finals at IEM. Hmm lets wait for the meta to evolve before balance patching anything?
Samx
Profile Joined August 2013
Singapore149 Posts
December 08 2014 05:56 GMT
#368
On December 08 2014 13:43 Rollora wrote:
PvP Finals at IEM. Hmm lets wait for the meta to evolve before balance patching anything?


Rain and hero are a level or 2 above the rest of the field.
Maybe bomber comes close but the edge should go to rain. No flash, no Taeja, no innovation in the tournament.
Our enemies are a legion and STILL you procrastinate
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
December 08 2014 06:17 GMT
#369
there won't, or shouldn't, be another balance patch until after GSL/SPOTV season 1. using weekend tournaments as balance indicators isn't that great since not everyone goes to them, and even using WCS wasn't very good since EU and AM were more terran heavy, and GSL was more protoss/zerg heavy.
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
December 08 2014 06:29 GMT
#370
I really hope that they consider changing the map pool first before doing these balance changes. These two recent tournaments have shown that Protosses are catching up in the PvT meta.
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2660 Posts
December 08 2014 06:29 GMT
#371
On December 08 2014 14:56 Samx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2014 13:43 Rollora wrote:
PvP Finals at IEM. Hmm lets wait for the meta to evolve before balance patching anything?


Rain and hero are a level or 2 above the rest of the field.
Maybe bomber comes close but the edge should go to rain. No flash, no Taeja, no innovation in the tournament.


Innovation lost to herO in the Hot6 Cup
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
December 08 2014 06:33 GMT
#372
On December 08 2014 15:29 Lexender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2014 14:56 Samx wrote:
On December 08 2014 13:43 Rollora wrote:
PvP Finals at IEM. Hmm lets wait for the meta to evolve before balance patching anything?


Rain and hero are a level or 2 above the rest of the field.
Maybe bomber comes close but the edge should go to rain. No flash, no Taeja, no innovation in the tournament.


Innovation lost to herO in the Hot6 Cup


But Innovation eventually beat herO and qualified for the RO8
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
December 08 2014 08:47 GMT
#373
On December 08 2014 05:33 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2014 20:28 p14c wrote:
It's not surprising since D. Kim gets his "pro-feedback" from people like Tod and Huk.


Tod and Huk are the worst people for David Kim to listen to. Don't think you'll find two more biased players in the scene. He should ask Demuslim for feedback as he can be trusted.


Fight fire with fire. Me likey ~
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Enigmasc
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom147 Posts
December 08 2014 09:01 GMT
#374
On December 08 2014 13:37 Maniak_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2014 12:57 meenamjah wrote:
[...] first, they refuse to fix the obviously broken infestor for, what, almost two years?. [...] just when other races were adjusting to terran, they completely nerf terran into the ground. [...] now that everyone's adjusting to it again, they're gonna nerf. the stupidity is mind boggling.

Yup, you're right. The stupidity is mind boggling.


the nerf to mine shiled damage is tiny and hasnt even goen through yet, not to mention blizzards already stated there holding off and doing anything but that untill after the map pool has changed to less T favoured?
its like some people havent even read the balance update
Homunculus159
Profile Joined December 2014
Austria220 Posts
December 08 2014 09:25 GMT
#375
By looking at the premiere Tournaments from September to now (11 Tournaments i think) I believe we can say the game has good balance bar the maps. (4 zerg wins, 4 Protoss wins and 3 Terran wins)
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
December 08 2014 11:06 GMT
#376
On December 08 2014 12:57 meenamjah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2014 12:11 starslayer wrote:
so now that life won wcs, parting won hsc, forgg won DH, SOS won hot6, and either toss or terran will win IEM can we say the game is pretty balanced and new maps that help zerg would make it just about perfect. is this really needed i mean come on this is just silly.


seriously, what's wrong with those idiots? first, they refuse to fix the obviously broken infestor for, what, almost two years?. and now they're just nerfing and buffing without giving things enough time to settle. just when other races were adjusting to terran, they completely nerf terran into the ground. so they buff terran. now that everyone's adjusting to it again, they're gonna nerf. the stupidity is mind boggling.


What is stupidity?

BL+infestor era was like 6 months long, it started when the queens got the range buffs after ghost got nerfed. First Zerg win was Leenock at MLG in august 2012, then Life in October in Code S. When ghost could snipe BL/ultras nobody was ranting at the infestor, it was actually a necessary tool to keep zergs alive. Watch MMA vs DRG finals if you don't remember.

Plus the last monthes don't count much cause all devs were working on HOTS which was released in march 2013.

Balance is not perfect, maybe, but before calling people idiots or stupids try to at least sound smart yourself...

This new mine change is not so big and probably won't make blink all ins or zealot/archons pushes OP again, at least I hope so.

The real big issue is the map pool, they seem to have heard this. So let's wait and see.
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
December 08 2014 11:52 GMT
#377
On December 08 2014 20:06 Gwavajuice wrote:
but before calling people idiots or stupids try to at least...

Wait what?? I need to actually try to DO something, or have some minimum level of information before calling people idiots??? :o My entire lifestyle on internet is in shambles! Surely you are joking....
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 08 2014 12:08 GMT
#378
On December 08 2014 04:19 parkufarku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2014 04:04 TheDwf wrote:
On December 08 2014 03:57 keglu wrote:
On December 08 2014 03:53 parkufarku wrote:
On December 07 2014 09:16 keglu wrote:
Based on Aligulac PvZ was above 50% for first time in 9 months,and TvZ is below 50% in last two months and trending down Somehow it translates into Zerg underperforming in both matchups.


its Aligulac. Aligulac. You dont ever cite Aligulac as data, it's the most flawed database that allows people to cherry-pick non-important matches to skew data.


Sorry, before your last post explaining current state of the game so clearly i did not have any better sources of information than Aligulac. Now with your post closing debate i'll be using your indisputable opinion as facts.

Just forget about him, he's a competitive troll. And if you ever need a good laugh after a bad day, just read here his recent "balance suggestions" (lol).


I'm the troll? Says the biased Terran troll who writes the most ridiculous stuff.

"Stargate is regularly used in PvT.":
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/255254-designated-balance-discussion-thread?page=1161#23206



Your balance proposals:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/460770-terran-buffs-balance-testing-soon-july-1?page=34#675


What a joke. Makes for a really good laugh though.

Stargate is regularly used in PvT. Are you denieing that?

Also, those balance suggestions were excellent, well explained and backed by data opposite to the rubbish you came up with.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
December 08 2014 12:26 GMT
#379
On December 08 2014 15:29 hansonslee wrote:
I really hope that they consider changing the map pool first before doing these balance changes. These two recent tournaments have shown that Protosses are catching up in the PvT meta.


Have they really though? Looking at the tournaments where Terran has done well in recently, we either dont see top tier Protoss (Parting / sOs / herO / Classic / Zest / ect) or those Protoss are knocked out by Zerg. We don't actually see T beating top tier P very often, we just haven't seen the top tier P in foreign tournaments lately.

I don't think they were ever behind.
In Somnis Veritas
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
December 08 2014 14:29 GMT
#380
On December 08 2014 14:56 Samx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2014 13:43 Rollora wrote:
PvP Finals at IEM. Hmm lets wait for the meta to evolve before balance patching anything?


Rain and hero are a level or 2 above the rest of the field.
Maybe bomber comes close but the edge should go to rain. No flash, no Taeja, no innovation in the tournament.
funny how it is always a skill based win when a protoss wins but when T or Z wins, they all cry balance. If ypu look at the list of premier tournament wins, especially the first half of 2014 almost every toss won something. I wouldn't be surprised if even HuK won something as well. But its great that the moment a non Protoss wins he whines aboit balance.well he did that even during the 9 months of protoss reign..

Balance was never closer to being ok but that its off still is showed by the lack of recent Zerg wins and that the terrans don't have an answer to toss lategame
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