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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On November 02 2014 02:05 geokilla wrote: Can he bring home millions each month? No? Ok moving on. Don't be daft man. If he could bring in that, he could buy a permanent visa in any European country. He wouldn't Millenium anymore. | ||
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Liliputin
Czech Republic458 Posts
Overall I think this is good, we will see more koreans and in the end that is whatt we should want...  | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On November 02 2014 02:05 geokilla wrote: Can he bring home millions each month? No? Ok moving on. I know employment costs in EU are high, but "millions" might be a bit much. | ||
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Vira
573 Posts
On November 02 2014 02:59 Thax wrote: I know employment costs in EU are high, but "millions" might be a bit much. Actually , he had one French contract with social security and everything but he had to learn french and stay in france, then he met his girlfriends in germany and he decide to use the non worker german visa used by the korean in Europe. So , he knew it was risky to move in germany and not take the french lesson to keep his work visa in France , he took the risk and now, he is paying for it  | ||
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Darkdwarf
Sweden960 Posts
On November 02 2014 02:09 Liliputin wrote: Can you play in both korean leagues or do you have to choose one? Overall I think this is good, we will see more koreans and in the end that is whatt we should want... I believe I read somewhere that you can play in both. | ||
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tomastaz
United States976 Posts
On November 01 2014 07:51 sharkie wrote: stable? viewerships are dropping like crazy... Change is needed, if its for better or worse - we'll need to wait to judge that dropping like crazy? You clearly weren't watching WCS last year | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
theres a bunch of countries that will have qualifiers for WCS Polt, which one of these would be easiest? Macau? Taiwan? Some smaller country in Africa, or Latin America? if those Koreans are serious about participating in WCS Polt, maybe they can move to one of the smaller countries and go to a community college there to get a student visa?....... | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On November 02 2014 03:11 Vira wrote: Actually , he had one French contract with social security and everything but he had to learn french and stay in france, then he met his girlfriends in germany and he decide to use the non worker german visa used by the korean in Europe. So , he knew it was risky to move in germany and not take the french lesson to keep his work visa in France , he took the risk and now, he is paying for it Thanks for clarifying. Karma then. No need for petitions, just play by the rules dudes. Proper visas can be had, but there are requirements that come with them, for SC2 pros as for everyone else. *shrugs* | ||
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HappyZerGling
Ukraine161 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17467 Posts
On November 02 2014 00:10 CursOr wrote: ??? You're trolling right ??? Blizzard funds WCS entirely. It would appear they have gotten some small, token sponsorships but I would say its safe to assume they are funding at least 90% of everything to the tune of millions a year. And to think they are "expecting" better viewer numbers and some sort of return on the money they are spending ... that is what companies do. They aren't giving away millions of dollars to keep a few thousand people entertained. they need to produce more money with their live events. even 10X the # of twitch viewers won't do it. they need to be able to sell tickets for $100+ in the thousands. live events must generate substantial revenue via PPV or via in-event ticket sales. i've not seen 1 single crowd shot for today's event and it sounds like there are less than 100 people there. tickets for today were just $20. Blizzard knows how to make entertainment software. They are mediocre at best when it comes to live event promotion. Blizzard needs to hand WCS over to a live event promoter that knows their stuff. Taking Sc2 esports from the fringe to a break even financial situation requires Vince Mcmahon level genius. | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
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Aridhol
Germany59 Posts
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Anoss
21 Posts
For the viewer less, LOV can be a good thing, i really trust in David Kim team, but we need more money, we need more show, we need bigger ESL studio, without this arrangement, Starcraft 2 will stay the "poor Esport game" i dont play LOL but its obvious that more money is invest by Riot, and it's obvisously more beautifull/entertain to watch. The second thing is, WCS will not carry all the proplayer, so Blizzard need to invest and help all the other tournament more than giving some WCS point, or player will always train then stop, train then stop, cause its too hard if you are not one of the best player to live and pay your bill. If WCS 2015 is just : new premier league, and now we have region lock, nothing will change, we will have some good thing with LOV beta and release then.. player will think, ok this game is cool, but its so many time to train for just what ? one big tournament WCS, and the other one, who, if you are not in premier league, you will not be invite.. i'm not sur its a good thing.. but let's see | ||
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Ruyn
Switzerland17 Posts
On November 02 2014 04:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote: they need to produce more money with their live events. even 10X the # of twitch viewers won't do it. they need to be able to sell tickets for $100+ in the thousands. live events must generate substantial revenue via PPV or via in-event ticket sales. i've not seen 1 single crowd shot for today's event and it sounds like there are less than 100 people there. tickets for today were just $20. Blizzard knows how to make entertainment software. They are mediocre at best when it comes to live event promotion. Blizzard needs to hand WCS over to a live event promoter that knows their stuff. Taking Sc2 esports from the fringe to a break even financial situation requires Vince Mcmahon level genius. Who cares about the fact that a little studio is filled up ? Blizzard didn't even announced that they were tickets for the studio. It's normal tough, they've made publicity for the tickets at Blizzcon, which we want to be filled up. It's not that Blizzard are terrible at promoting events, it wasn't an objectif there. | ||
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Ruyn
Switzerland17 Posts
On November 02 2014 06:10 Anoss wrote: hmm.. i think i dont like this change, i mean, it's a good think to try the region lock and Premier League, but the real probleme of Starcraft 2 is not that. The real problem is viewer less and give some opportunities for pro player to believe in pro gaming. For the viewer less, LOV can be a good thing, i really trust in David Kim team, but we need more money, we need more show, we need bigger ESL studio, without this arrangement, Starcraft 2 will stay the "poor Esport game" i dont play LOL but its obvious that more money is invest by Riot, and it's obvisously more beautifull/entertain to watch. The second thing is, WCS will not carry all the proplayer, so Blizzard need to invest and help all the other tournament more than giving some WCS point, or player will always train then stop, train then stop, cause its too hard if you are not one of the best player to live and pay your bill. If WCS 2015 is just : new premier league, and now we have region lock, nothing will change, we will have some good thing with LOV beta and release then.. player will think, ok this game is cool, but its so many time to train for just what ? one big tournament WCS, and the other one, who, if you are not in premier league, you will not be invite.. i'm not sur its a good thing.. but let's see You know David Kim's team just does design and balance changes and i don't think design/balance are the biggest issues in Starcraft actually. But i trust Blizzard, they will do a great job. Oh and for more shows and bigger events, i don't know if you read it clearly but now RO32 is played offline and Ro16 will be play in a venue. | ||
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Magnet
United States77 Posts
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Anoss
21 Posts
[QUOTE]You know David Kim's team just does design and balance changes and i don't think design/balance are the biggest issues in Starcraft actually. But i trust Blizzard, they will do a great job. Oh and for more shows and bigger events, i don't know if you read it clearly but now RO32 is played offline and Ro16 will be play in a venue.[/QUOTE] I think design/balance is an issue, games are pretty the same, we need the last unit to have a better dynamics in game. Ro32 offline is good you right, but it will not change the WCS at all.. its a small change, a good one, but not enough imo, its just 1 different day, all the rest will be the same, and that's not fixing the pro player problem, only 32 player will be sur to have money, Blizzard need to invest on the other too. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On November 02 2014 04:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote: they need to produce more money with their live events. even 10X the # of twitch viewers won't do it. they need to be able to sell tickets for $100+ in the thousands. live events must generate substantial revenue via PPV or via in-event ticket sales. i've not seen 1 single crowd shot for today's event and it sounds like there are less than 100 people there. tickets for today were just $20. Blizzard knows how to make entertainment software. They are mediocre at best when it comes to live event promotion. Blizzard needs to hand WCS over to a live event promoter that knows their stuff. Taking Sc2 esports from the fringe to a break even financial situation requires Vince Mcmahon level genius. You're assuming Blizzard's aim is to turn the e-sports itself into a big money maker. Blizzard's aim is to sell games. WCS is one big commercial. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Ruyn
Switzerland17 Posts
[QUOTE]On November 02 2014 06:18 Dexp wrote: [QUOTE]You know David Kim's team just does design and balance changes and i don't think design/balance are the biggest issues in Starcraft actually. But i trust Blizzard, they will do a great job. Oh and for more shows and bigger events, i don't know if you read it clearly but now RO32 is played offline and Ro16 will be play in a venue.[/QUOTE] I think design/balance is an issue, games are pretty the same, we need the last unit to have a better dynamics in game. Ro32 offline is good you right, but it will not change the WCS at all.. its a small change, a good one, but not enough imo, its just 1 different day, all the rest will be the same, and that's not fixing the pro player problem, only 32 player will be sur to have money, Blizzard need to invest on the other too. [/QUOTE] I never said that Design/balance wasn't an issue, it is definitely with long Swarm host game, Tempest, Widow mine and you are right, the games are pretty much the same every time. I still don't think that balance/design is the BIGGEST issues of Starcraft. RO32 offline might be a small change but RO16 with a real scene and a real crowd is pretty huge i think. I also think it will be harder for up and coming player and lower skill progamer to make money out of Starcraft. There is good and bad in these changes, but overall, i think it's a step in the right direction. | ||
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