EPTBlizzard announces 2015 WCS changes - Page 25
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
|
SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
| ||
|
Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On November 02 2014 09:21 SNSeigifried wrote: 2k for challenger :O Great news, I was worried about that, but they did it right  .So if the 32 players that fail to get into Premiere still get 2k that will be 64K for challenger which leaves 198k for premiere. I think that's pretty much perfect distribution. Now even with Polt, Violet and maybe one or two more Koreans a lot more money will reach foreigners with this system. With Korea having a lot more tournaments, this is win win really. Edit: In WCS 2013 S3 foreigners made $49,200 in WCS NA and $65,400 in WCS EU, so $114,600 for foreigners over all. This number should grow quite a bit next season. | ||
|
bourne117
United States837 Posts
On November 01 2014 07:50 Cricketer12 wrote: whilst having some cool NA v EU matchups, i dont really understand the purpose behind such a drastic change to an otherwise mostly stable system Because they already made a drastic change with region locks. This change had to happen because otherwise WCS NA was literally going to be lets wait till the ro4 so Polt Violet Scarlett +1 can actually play close games | ||
|
JimmyJRaynor
Canada16707 Posts
On November 02 2014 06:51 Thax wrote: You're assuming Blizzard's aim is to turn the e-sports itself into a big money maker. Blizzard's aim is to sell games. WCS is one big commercial. OK , so when Frank Pierce said SC2 Esports would be a 10 year experiment he wanted to take over control of the leagues and turn this.... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://c.ask.nate.com/imgs/qrsi.php/5865023/7956145/0/1/A/185.jpg) into the half empty arena with rock bottom ticket prices that we're going to see next week? great plan. showing me a panoramic view of 20,000+ WoW fans at Blizzcon last year watching SC2 won't fuel the prize pool starving esports stars need to remain playing full time. countless high level SC2 community members have already provided scathing criticisms of Blizzard's bungling of the competitive scene over the past 4.5 years. There is no point in going over that material again. HOwever, this is how we go from the pictured event above and what we've seen at live events throughout 2014. Blizzard is not very good at 1) promoting live events 2) creating stars for a glimpse at how you do #2 + Show Spoiler + south korean marketing specialists nailed #2. vince mcmahon, Zuffa, Don King have nailed #2. great promoters know how to create stars. Blizzard does not. Blizzard is great at making games though. Nothing in the changes to WCS from 2014 to 2015 will address the 2 issues i listed. this is just a cryin' shame because the games themselves this weekend are absolutely fuckin' amazing. | ||
|
Doublemint
Austria8514 Posts
On November 02 2014 13:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote: OK , so when Frank Pierce said SC2 Esports would be a 10 year experiment he wanted to take over control of the leagues and turn this.... + Show Spoiler + into the half empty arena with rock bottom ticket prices that we're going to see next week? great plan. showing me a panoramic view of 20,000+ WoW fans at Blizzcon last year watching SC2 won't fuel the prize pool starving esports stars need to remain playing full time. Aren't you a negative nancy. A guy/gal going to Blizzcon into WoW AND SC2? Inconceivable. | ||
nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On November 01 2014 20:57 vitka wrote: ah, he hasnt to be afraid. paying 300€ for room you have a lot of money left to enjoy berlin. as i said, i know some other guys who have similar conditions. i just brought him up because he is south korean, i could bring up turkish or australian people as well. i also dont know if there are differences between the countries inside europe. i just guess, that if you can show a contract and proof that you can live with that money, it shouldnt be a problem to get working visa. thing could(!) be that they are all graduated. Of course there are differences in Europe. Over 30000 Euro in Poland and you're relatively rich. Over 50k euro is a lot. | ||
|
brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On November 02 2014 09:21 SNSeigifried wrote: 2k for challenger :O again the naysayers who were complaining about less money for the unified WCS are proven to be premature and determined to hate whatever blizzard does | ||
|
Dingodile
4133 Posts
On November 02 2014 22:15 brickrd wrote: again the naysayers who were complaining about less money for the unified WCS are proven to be premature and determined to hate whatever blizzard does mathematically it does. same prizepool like this year ($1,6M) but Korea gets 175k (from 170k) each season now. This means 5k less for unified WCS each season. | ||
|
hfsrj
Germany166 Posts
| ||
|
TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On November 01 2014 20:49 Gr33d wrote: Looks like TB is still salty when it comes to TaKe's events. They give out a big enough prize pool, meet the other requirements AND a lot of people watch them, ofc they should also give WCS points then. Every single time someone says this they're inevitably from bloody Germany. Geez I get it, TaKe is amazing for this community and a great representative of his country but get off his dick for 5 seconds and realise that I have absolutely nothing against him or his events, in fact it is Blizzards policies I'm disagreeing with in regards to WCS and HSCs receiving WCS points just happens to be one of the most egregious and obvious examples of an invitational that received a lot of points, when it really shouldn't have. | ||
|
Anoss
21 Posts
On November 02 2014 06:52 Dexp wrote: "A step in the right direction" a very little step in my opinion.. look at yesterday, Taeja VS Soo 35k viewers.. that's our knew RO32 offline ! just one day like this will change anything.. It's kind of boring to look Blizzard act like they have time, only Blizzard have time, i work with the game (youtube, casting etc) all the people have scared, they is no view anymore, cause game are same, pro player can't focus on the game with not a lot of tournament, and we wait 1 year for just, one day off more, in same condition as yesterday.. i love Blizzard, i love the game, but it's obviously bad, we need more, look at yesterday, Taeja, Life, Soo but where is the show ? where is the Crowd ? where is the money ?? all is cheap, 5 years later... WCS should be the ultimate tournament, the most imposant, most beautifull, even the time who its play its not good ( Yesterday its start 6pm to 8 am for EU, after 3 am for EU we were 35k...) and we all know that EU is more watching Starcraft than US... really i mean so many guys pay to think and no one make the right call.. i really love Blizzard and Starcraft 2 but no, its not a good little step, nobody has time, Blizzard neet do pull it up the community, not save time like that *mod edit: fixed broken quote tree, informed user* | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
| ||
|
Doublemint
Austria8514 Posts
On November 03 2014 00:16 Yhamm wrote: those fail quotes, STAHP If it were just the quotes... | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 03 2014 00:16 Yhamm wrote: those fail quotes, STAHP I also legitimately do not understand what he's saying. | ||
|
Dingodile
4133 Posts
On November 02 2014 09:27 Musicus wrote: Great news, I was worried about that, but they did it right .So if the 32 players that fail to get into Premiere still get 2k that will be 64K for challenger which leaves 136k for premiere. I think that's pretty much perfect distribution. I think the prize distribution is the same in top32 except winner gets 30k instead 25k. Right now is 131k for premier league. | ||
|
Nebuchad
Switzerland12176 Posts
On November 01 2014 07:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I dont know. WCS NA and WCS EU in same? That kind of sucks... 32 players in premier, so that means 32 premier spots less than now. That sucks  I disagree, I think that's pretty good. I was against region locking from the start, but now that it's done, at least there's only one 'weaker' wcs (comparatively ofc, I'm not trying to say foreign players aren't good players so don't start with that), so Blizzcon will still be a fairly great group of players, especially with the two korean leagues. | ||
|
Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
One question though is what does this mean "with dedicated slots for players from different regions"? Does it mean 10 slots for EU 10 slots for NA and so on. Meaning that no matter how much better X regions is, only the top 10 may go? Why have dedicated slots? Its like, even if X regions has super bad players compared to the others of course you should have players qualify too..... | ||
|
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On November 03 2014 02:24 Shuffleblade wrote: I'm shocked at this and have no idea what I think about it. One question though is what does this mean "with dedicated slots for players from different regions"? Does it mean 10 slots for EU 10 slots for NA and so on. Meaning that no matter how much better X regions is, only the top 10 may go? Why have dedicated slots? Its like, even if X regions has super bad players compared to the others of course you should have players qualify too..... The slot repartition is in the OP, and actually it's 14 for EU and 8 for NA, because even Blizzard knows which is the best region. However the number of slots for the other regions may seem pretty low (I'm thinking of Taiwan and China) | ||
|
Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On November 03 2014 00:22 Dingodile wrote: I think the prize distribution is the same in top32 except winner gets 30k instead 25k. Right now is 131k for premier league. Right I forgot the Prize money was 131k, I did my math with 100k, oops  . So that would leave 198k for Premiere league, Kim Phan confirmed that the money stays the same and none of it goes to Korea. So the prize money for Premiere league is insane now. | ||
|
Ruyn
Switzerland17 Posts
On November 03 2014 00:11 Anoss wrote: "A step in the right direction" a very little step in my opinion.. look at yesterday, Taeja VS Soo 35k viewers.. that's our knew RO32 offline ! just one day like this will change anything.. It's kind of boring to look Blizzard act like they have time, only Blizzard have time, i work with the game (youtube, casting etc) all the people have scared, they is no view anymore, cause game are same, pro player can't focus on the game with not a lot of tournament, and we wait 1 year for just, one day off more, in same condition as yesterday.. i love Blizzard, i love the game, but it's obviously bad, we need more, look at yesterday, Taeja, Life, Soo but where is the show ? where is the Crowd ? where is the money ?? all is cheap, 5 years later... WCS should be the ultimate tournament, the most imposant, most beautifull, even the time who its play its not good ( Yesterday its start 6pm to 8 am for EU, after 3 am for EU we were 35k...) and we all know that EU is more watching Starcraft than US... really i mean so many guys pay to think and no one make the right call.. i really love Blizzard and Starcraft 2 but no, its not a good little step, nobody has time, Blizzard neet do pull it up the community, not save time like that *mod edit: fixed broken quote tree, informed user* I'm sorry Anoss, i don't understand anything of what you are saying, i know you are French ( Je parle Français aussi ) but don't try to argue in English if you don't have good knowledge of it. I would love to debate in French with you tough. | ||
| ||
