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Blizzard announces 2015 WCS changes - Page 31

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mvdunecats
Profile Joined December 2011
United States102 Posts
November 05 2014 22:09 GMT
#601
On November 06 2014 04:59 Deathstar wrote:
Just look at GSL for the best.

But GSL isn't broadcast at a friendly time for a good chunk of the world, particularly for those who live in North, South and Central America.

On November 06 2014 04:59 Deathstar wrote:
blizzcon is a treat for the fans. something less serious but something that allows you to see your guy at the big stage during blizzard's biggest event

If that's what Blizzard wants Blizzcon to be, they should just invite competitors based on fan voting instead of having a points based system that rewards performance.
TOAA
Profile Joined October 2014
United States38 Posts
November 06 2014 02:55 GMT
#602
i'd be nice to see different people in a WCS finals, imagine if we saw top 16 include a few koreans, indians, mexicans, africans, etc. battling it out. we usually see korean and caucasian, I'm up for the unification leagues.
I have God on my side
Valefort
Profile Joined December 2010
France228 Posts
November 06 2014 14:46 GMT
#603
On November 06 2014 05:14 CakeSauc3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 22:24 Valefort wrote:
Seems like WCS will become interesting again ! I feel a bit sorry for the koreans who will have to move back but the previous system was clearly problematic, blizzcon with 16 koreans is simply terrible.


I don't get what is so terrible about having the best players in the world at the tournament for the best players in the world.

Because it's not only about the overall level of a competition. A lot of people are chauvinistic, at least a little bit, and if you have no one to cheer for in a tournament it's a lot less interesting. In classic sports people usually support local teams or their countries, SC2 is no different and the division foreigner/koreans is everywhere. Quality of play is important but top level play is not absolutely essential from a spectator's point of view like me.

When you love sc2 you'll watch regardless but if you're a casual player/fan you won't always watch unless there is something else that draws you, be it chauvinism, player(s) you like, particular shoutcasters ...you name it.
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
November 08 2014 01:15 GMT
#604
I really like the new changes.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
November 08 2014 17:34 GMT
#605
On November 01 2014 20:49 Gr33d wrote:
Looks like TB is still salty when it comes to TaKe's events. They give out a big enough prize pool, meet the other requirements AND a lot of people watch them, ofc they should also give WCS points then.

Popularity and prize pool is a terrible argument to determine point distribution. It's not obvious (in fact quite counter-intuitive) to do so and is by no means a controversial position. You can think Homestory is the best tournament out there, that doesn't change anything.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 11 2014 07:15 GMT
#606
In short, WCS 2015 is now largely about skill with immigration paperwork, instead of SC2. And that goes not only for the Koreans but also for anyone who will be randomly disallowed to enter US should the finals be there (and I haven't seen any indications that all the finals will be in the EU).
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Exitor45
Profile Joined August 2012
United States72 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-22 22:58:47
December 22 2014 22:58 GMT
#607
Should be very exciting to see some match ups that have never happened before or would have previously been possible.
Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react.
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
December 22 2014 23:16 GMT
#608
Ouch, only two from South America T___T Latin Murica = Best Murica!
As long as u keep feeding me starcraft, ill be happy! Happy Holidays y'all!! ♥
"EE HAN TIMING" Jaedong vs Stork [22 December, 2007] 2set @ Finals EVER OSL.
Wyrdness
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom29 Posts
December 28 2014 22:54 GMT
#609
Interesting changes, overall I'm more for it as now the best 32 outside of Korea will battle it out, some will disagree but I feel this will cut out a lot of clutter in the leagues when they were separate. A lot of the matches I felt weren't worth watching because some players were just making up the numbers, now however you have to bring your A to RO32 as you're less likely to get drawn in a group with whipping boys battling the best 32 out of Korea.

The issue with an unified league is factoring the immigration of where the events and finals will be held, EU will most likely be host to finals as I think we have less strict immigration then the US.
Hadronsbecrazy
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom551 Posts
December 28 2014 22:56 GMT
#610
On November 06 2014 07:09 mvdunecats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 04:59 Deathstar wrote:
Just look at GSL for the best.

But GSL isn't broadcast at a friendly time for a good chunk of the world, particularly for those who live in North, South and Central America.

Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 04:59 Deathstar wrote:
blizzcon is a treat for the fans. something less serious but something that allows you to see your guy at the big stage during blizzard's biggest event

If that's what Blizzard wants Blizzcon to be, they should just invite competitors based on fan voting instead of having a points based system that rewards performance.



fan vote might be the only way to see flash vs jaedong vs stork at blizzcon
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wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
December 28 2014 23:00 GMT
#611
I haven't followed professional SC2 since WoL ended. This WCS system looks incredibly confusing. Can't we go back to just GSLs and WCGs? Or even better, MSLs, OSLs, and WCGs?
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
December 28 2014 23:03 GMT
#612
On December 29 2014 08:00 wptlzkwjd wrote:
I haven't followed professional SC2 since WoL ended. This WCS system looks incredibly confusing. Can't we go back to just GSLs and WCGs? Or even better, MSLs, OSLs, and WCGs?


it rly isnt.
just read and use your brain for a second.
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AyaaLa
Profile Joined February 2012
Spain629 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-28 23:10:27
December 28 2014 23:10 GMT
#613
On December 29 2014 08:03 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2014 08:00 wptlzkwjd wrote:
I haven't followed professional SC2 since WoL ended. This WCS system looks incredibly confusing. Can't we go back to just GSLs and WCGs? Or even better, MSLs, OSLs, and WCGs?


it rly isnt.
just read and use your brain for a second.


yes it is for people that dont have your amazing brain.

edit: no need to be a f*cking dick
i balance whine all the time.
JimRising
Profile Joined September 2010
Mexico52 Posts
December 28 2014 23:26 GMT
#614
Hello someone knows when or where is the information / registration for latinamerica qualifier?
Trying to do my best =)
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1929 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 13:47:09
January 08 2015 13:46 GMT
#615
Koreans are way too dominant. Blizzard needs to be even harder on restricting Korean participation.

I am Norwegian, and we are OP in crosscountry skiing, especially for women. Now imagine if every Norwegian in the top 100 or so would be allowed in the world cup. I guess at least 20 would qualify, and effectively block several nations from having a legit team. That is why the Norwegians have to compeete harshly amongs themselves for the national quota of 5-7 athletes, diversity is secured.

Same thing with Jamaican sprinters, west african long distance runners, dutch skaters etc. etc.

Why do you think european athletic championship and the African cup in football exist? Because local championships matters!

I enjoyed the first WCS immensely because of its nation-region-world steucture. Of course, 3 Koreans were top 3 in the end, but the events and the winners created on the way there were amazing!

Why not make a complete citezenship lock? It would help the scene way more than it would hurt the very few players living outside their region.
Buff the siegetank
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
January 08 2015 13:48 GMT
#616
On January 08 2015 22:46 Slydie wrote:
Koreans are way too dominant. Blizzard needs to be even harder on restricting Korean participation.

I am Norwegian, and we are OP in crosscountry skiing, especially for women. Now imagine if every Norwegian in the top 100 or so would be allowed in the world cup. I guess at least 20 would qualify, and effectively block several nations from having a legit team. That is why the Norwegians have to compeete harshly amongs themselves for the national quota of 5-7 athletes, diversity is secured.

Same thing with Jamaican sprinters, west african long distance runners, dutch skaters etc. etc.

Why do you think european athletic championship and the African cup in football exist? Because local championships matters!

I enjoyed the first WCS immensely because of its nation-region-world steucture. Of course, 3 Koreans were top 3, but the events and the winners created on the way there were amazing!

Why not make a complete citezenship lock? It would help the scene way more than it would hurt the very few players living outsode their region.


Starcraft, as it stands, is not a national sport, it's an individual one.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
January 08 2015 14:06 GMT
#617
On January 08 2015 22:46 Slydie wrote:
Koreans are way too dominant. Blizzard needs to be even harder on restricting Korean participation.

I am Norwegian, and we are OP in crosscountry skiing, especially for women. Now imagine if every Norwegian in the top 100 or so would be allowed in the world cup. I guess at least 20 would qualify, and effectively block several nations from having a legit team. That is why the Norwegians have to compeete harshly amongs themselves for the national quota of 5-7 athletes, diversity is secured.

Same thing with Jamaican sprinters, west african long distance runners, dutch skaters etc. etc.

Why do you think european athletic championship and the African cup in football exist? Because local championships matters!

I enjoyed the first WCS immensely because of its nation-region-world steucture. Of course, 3 Koreans were top 3 in the end, but the events and the winners created on the way there were amazing!

Why not make a complete citezenship lock? It would help the scene way more than it would hurt the very few players living outside their region.


Banning all the Korean's wont fix it.
FlashDave.999 aka Star
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
January 08 2015 14:34 GMT
#618
Are the Bo5 games (decided between challenger and premier league) offline?
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