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Valefort
France228 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On November 05 2014 22:24 Valefort wrote: Seems like WCS will become interesting again ! I feel a bit sorry for the koreans who will have to move back but the previous system was clearly problematic, blizzcon with 16 koreans is simply terrible. Do you really expect less now? The Koreans that will be left in EU and NA will still dominate. Not to mention some will be able to get to this through Taiwan. Only 2 spots but those 2 are sure to get to top 8 or 4 in WCS international and get to Blizzcon again. | ||
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Phaenoman
568 Posts
On November 05 2014 22:24 Valefort wrote: Seems like WCS will become interesting again ! I feel a bit sorry for the koreans who will have to move back but the previous system was clearly problematic, blizzcon with 16 koreans is simply terrible. Terrible for the foreign fans and players that is. And it would be better, of course, if the foreign players could be at the same level as Koreans skill-wise. But from an objective competitive position it is by no means terrible to have the best players at Blizzcon, However, I hope foreigners can close that skill gap as much as possible in the near future. | ||
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Darkdwarf
Sweden960 Posts
On November 05 2014 22:38 -Archangel- wrote: Do you really expect less now? The Koreans that will be left in EU and NA will still dominate. Not to mention some will be able to get to this through Taiwan. Only 2 spots but those 2 are sure to get to top 8 or 4 in WCS international and get to Blizzcon again. There won't be koreans qualifying from Taiwan. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On November 05 2014 22:51 Darkdwarf wrote: There won't be koreans qualifying from Taiwan. How do you know that? I understood it is not hard to get a Visa there. | ||
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Valefort
France228 Posts
On November 05 2014 22:42 Phaenoman wrote: Terrible for the foreign fans and players that is. And it would be better, of course, if the foreign players could be at the same level as Koreans skill-wise. But from an objective competitive position it is by no means terrible to have the best players at Blizzcon, However, I hope foreigners can close that skill gap as much as possible in the near future. That would be the best obviously, if that was the case then none of these rules would be necessary. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6668 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18764 Posts
On November 06 2014 01:10 Necro)Phagist( wrote: So maybe I'm misunderstanding something.. but isn't it a bit unfair that Europe almost gets as many slots as every other region put together? Europe has 14 slots to premier meanwhile the rest of the world has 18 to work with? You'd think if any region was going to get more premier slots it would be Korea? the place that has by far the most talent... I understand Blizzard wants to promote the foreign scene but is it really worth the cost of crippling the Korean scene in the process? It's great Korea has another individual league to work with but limiting their premier league slots to 2 is brutal. I guess they can still travel to Europe and NA to try and farm but isn't that exactly what Blizzard wanted to stop from happening? This format seems to promote Koreans coming over and dominating the foreign scene. Again maybe I'm missing something or have completely misunderstood what is happening but from what I can tell this seems really bad. Korea has 32 slots XD | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On November 05 2014 22:42 Phaenoman wrote: Terrible for the foreign fans and players that is. And it would be better, of course, if the foreign players could be at the same level as Koreans skill-wise. But from an objective competitive position it is by no means terrible to have the best players at Blizzcon, However, I hope foreigners can close that skill gap as much as possible in the near future. The gap will never be closed (unless LotV lowers the skill floor to an INSANE extent). | ||
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TiberiusAk
United States122 Posts
On November 06 2014 01:10 Necro)Phagist( wrote: So maybe I'm misunderstanding something.. but isn't it a bit unfair that Europe almost gets as many slots as every other region put together? Europe has 14 slots to premier meanwhile the rest of the world has 18 to work with? You'd think if any region was going to get more premier slots it would be Korea? the place that has by far the most talent... I understand Blizzard wants to promote the foreign scene but is it really worth the cost of crippling the Korean scene in the process? It's great Korea has another individual league to work with but limiting their premier league slots to 2 is brutal. I guess they can still travel to Europe and NA to try and farm but isn't that exactly what Blizzard wanted to stop from happening? This format seems to promote Koreans coming over and dominating the foreign scene. Again maybe I'm missing something or have completely misunderstood what is happening but from what I can tell this seems really bad. Sorry, but fortunately you completely misunderstood.  The 2 slots for Oceania + Southeast Asia does not include Korea--they are not shown in that picture. Check the images in this post for a brief overview (or read the whole thing for the detail): http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/2015-starcraft-ii-world-championship-series | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6668 Posts
On November 06 2014 02:48 TiberiusAk wrote: Sorry, but fortunately you completely misunderstood. The 2 slots for Oceania + Southeast Asia does not include Korea--they are not shown in that picture. Check the images in this post for a brief overview (or read the whole thing for the detail): http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/2015-starcraft-ii-world-championship-seriesAhh well I'm actually quite glad I misunderstood that! Thanks for correcting me. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On November 05 2014 22:24 Valefort wrote: Seems like WCS will become interesting again ! I feel a bit sorry for the koreans who will have to move back but the previous system was clearly problematic, blizzcon with 16 koreans is simply terrible. There will still be 16 Koreans at Blizzcon :p. Blizzard decided, if they're going to have 16 Koreans, they might as well be the best 16 Koreans, unlike what we have had this and last year. That said, it's entirely possible the Blizzcon format changes for next year, opening it up to 32 players would mean a few foreigners at Blizzcon. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On November 01 2014 07:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I dont know. WCS NA and WCS EU in same? That kind of sucks... 32 players in premier, so that means 32 premier spots less than now. That sucks  same thing i thought ... 32 instead of 64 means that the koreans living in eu/us are just to many so we have for sure all korean in the end | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
On November 05 2014 22:42 Phaenoman wrote: Terrible for the foreign fans and players that is. And it would be better, of course, if the foreign players could be at the same level as Koreans skill-wise. But from an objective competitive position it is by no means terrible to have the best players at Blizzcon, However, I hope foreigners can close that skill gap as much as possible in the near future. Just look at GSL for the best. blizzcon is a treat for the fans. something less serious but something that allows you to see your guy at the big stage during blizzard's biggest event | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
On November 05 2014 22:24 Valefort wrote: Seems like WCS will become interesting again ! I feel a bit sorry for the koreans who will have to move back but the previous system was clearly problematic, blizzcon with 16 koreans is simply terrible. I don't get what is so terrible about having the best players in the world at the tournament for the best players in the world. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On November 06 2014 04:59 Deathstar wrote: Just look at GSL for the best. blizzcon is a treat for the fans. something less serious but something that allows you to see your guy at the big stage during blizzard's biggest event Bad time slot. If you want to watch GSL as a citizen of EU you have to stay away from results and hope someone does not spoil it for you and pay for it... wasn't there somethign like "WCS vods are supposed to be free" thing? Or what am I doing wrong when it tells me I have to be subscriber to see a missed match? Nope, nope, nope. They lost a viewer. I won't watch low level foreigners, I don't like them. Players I like are not at the top anymore(e.g. Dimaga, Whitera). I certainly hope Blizzard will recognize that Europe is really big watching base and change something(maybe rebroadcast of GSL in some better hours?) But I fear it will end up exactly like at my work. I work for an American company, so I know a little bit about murrica and how do they care about nonNA stuff  (they don't, but they pretend they do and they do this very well) | ||
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rotta
5655 Posts
On November 06 2014 05:14 CakeSauc3 wrote: I don't get what is so terrible about having the best players in the world at the tournament for the best players in the world. Well it has been that only since last year, so it's understandable that some people are sour about the exclusion of foreigners. | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
On November 06 2014 05:28 deacon.frost wrote: Bad time slot. If you want to watch GSL as a citizen of EU you have to stay away from results and hope someone does not spoil it for you and pay for it... wasn't there somethign like "WCS vods are supposed to be free" thing? Or what am I doing wrong when it tells me I have to be subscriber to see a missed match? Nope, nope, nope. They lost a viewer. I won't watch low level foreigners, I don't like them. Players I like are not at the top anymore(e.g. Dimaga, Whitera). I certainly hope Blizzard will recognize that Europe is really big watching base and change something(maybe rebroadcast of GSL in some better hours?) But I fear it will end up exactly like at my work. I work for an American company, so I know a little bit about murrica and how do they care about nonNA stuff (they don't, but they pretend they do and they do this very well)I enjoyed it so much when I was abroad in China. I could just get home from work and watch the GSL live while eating dinner, for free. It was amazing! After returning to the USA, it was easy to pay $5 a season or whatever to watch GSL vods, but once they started upping the cost to $15+, I stopped watching. Last time I checked it had increased even more. It also didn't help that they moved everything from GOMtv to Twitch. GOM was the best... | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
ugh now that I think about it, I hope this tournament format change isn't the only thing blizzard has in store for us. hope blizzcon will have some exciting news | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On November 06 2014 05:40 Deathstar wrote: Yeah free vods would be nice, or at the very least rebroadcasts ugh now that I think about it, I hope this tournament format change isn't the only thing blizzard has in store for us. hope blizzcon will have some exciting news Blizzard is announcing something new for SC2 during blizzcon, this has already been announced | ||
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