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On October 14 2014 18:14 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 18:09 Penev wrote:On October 14 2014 05:36 OtherWorld wrote:
Wow that was unexpected. I guess Empire is going to leave the Starcraft scene now?
Also best of luck to him in finding a new team Not unexpected at all imo; He was the only player left. I'm guessing he was the last who had a contract (which is now done). On October 14 2014 05:43 Circumstance wrote:
Fnatic could use an extra Terran, and they're the kind of stable team that a player of Happy's caliber deserves. Agree! Well unexpected is not really the adequate word, I meant that he was with them for such a long time that seeing "Empire" with Happy's name was kinda normal. A bit like MKP becoming MVPMK. And yeah Fnatic.Happy would be great. He deserves a reputed team
That's certainly true; MVPMK lol (just noticed u responded on Happy leaving, not Empire)
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On October 14 2014 18:21 deacon.frost wrote:
Frankly, I rather play SC2 than watch it nowadays. Everyone is praising TvT - when I remember Innovation vs Cure I want to throw up... turtle fest, hell yeah, the best mirror MU, the best MU(by many viewers here). Great. I do not want to see more of this. So, yeah... I prefer not to watch. Also, I don't care 'bout other MU than PvX, because I play Protoss.
I hope Happy doesn't end his career, he's a really good player.
Well everyone has their preferences. TvT usually isnt my favorite either (ZvZ even less) but once in a while you still get awesome games. For instance Yoda vs MMA in WCS EU the other day had a great first game and then some not-so-memorable games after that. Usually I just let the stream run and then play a few games myself on the side  I'll sometimes do the same thing with Swarmhost games in PvZ and then check back after the 40 minute mark :p
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On October 14 2014 06:49 SC2Towelie wrote:
Legacy of the Void really can't get here soon enough. We need something to revitalize the scene :/
Unfortunately SC2 is not as profitable as it would seem originally.
The Scene is slowly getting smaller, and that is normally a Domino Effect.
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On October 14 2014 18:38 -KG- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 18:21 deacon.frost wrote:
Frankly, I rather play SC2 than watch it nowadays. Everyone is praising TvT - when I remember Innovation vs Cure I want to throw up... turtle fest, hell yeah, the best mirror MU, the best MU(by many viewers here). Great. I do not want to see more of this. So, yeah... I prefer not to watch. Also, I don't care 'bout other MU than PvX, because I play Protoss.
I hope Happy doesn't end his career, he's a really good player. Well everyone has their preferences. TvT usually isnt my favorite either (ZvZ even less) but once in a while you still get awesome games. For instance Yoda vs MMA in WCS EU the other day had a great first game and then some not-so-memorable games after that. Usually I just let the stream run and then play a few games myself on the side I'll sometimes do the same thing with Swarmhost games in PvZ and then check back after the 40 minute mark :p
Yeah, but the problem is, that I do not have so much time to waste it on "not-so-memorable games". So I focus more on PvX games, because they are helping me and then on players I like when they play in a good time spot(e.g. Bomber). Damn you, TIME! Why, oh why have I grown? :D :D
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On October 14 2014 18:56 iloveav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 06:49 SC2Towelie wrote:
Legacy of the Void really can't get here soon enough. We need something to revitalize the scene :/ Unfortunately SC2 is not as profitable as it would seem originally. The Scene is slowly getting smaller, and that is normally a Domino Effect.
Yeah, like we didn't have a FPS team coming in Starcraft a few months ago by recruiting two Korean players, right?
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Seems like they kept their Hearthstone ''squad'', that sucks that even hearthstone is more popular than SC2
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Nah Happy won't stop playing, he never stops! Me as a zergplayer have the most respect for Happy as an non-zerg. Both because of his Wc3-carrier and for his non stop playing, the discipline. Go Happy!
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On October 14 2014 20:20 NaboliC wrote:
Nah Happy won't stop playing, he never stops! Me as a zergplayer have the most respect for Happy as an non-zerg. Both because of his Wc3-carrier and for his non stop playing, the discipline. Go Happy!
WC3 had carriers? 
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Wow, i dont think at all he is going to have trouble finding a team. Without a team enviroment, he managed to be the second best non-Korean this year (in my eyes).
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On October 14 2014 17:36 JoeCool wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 16:55 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 14 2014 16:20 Meavis wrote:On October 14 2014 15:23 DuckloadBlackra wrote:On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left. How can you possibly honestly believe that bolded statement? Yea in reality there's nothing left. Yea there's no Supernova stream (which is amazing btw), there's no Jaedong, there's no Flash, there's no proleague, there's no GSL, there's no WCS, there's no tournament every fucking day, there's no KESPA, there's no teams like ROOT, Acer, teamliquid, etc, etc. There's no Dragon, there's no Avilo (lol), there's no Day9, there's no Rotterdam, there's no ToD, there's no Demuslim, there's no Nathanias, there's no Tasteless, there's no Artosis, there's no Wolf, there's no Khaldor, there's no Basetradetv, there's no Fenner, there's no Liquid HerO, there's no Innovation, there's no Solar, there's no Taeja, there's no Livibee, there's no Go4SC2, no Remax, no major tournament every week or every other week, etc, etc, etc. I could go on for ages...There's no nothing. Am I right? Really? I don't see any pretending about anything. What I do see is all kinds of trolls constantly hammering about how SC2 is "daed" game and such and this kind of thing is getting REALLY old and annoying. Blizzard is well aware of the current state of SC2 by the way. All that being said it's nice to see that Empire suggested they're eager to make a resurgence in SC2 if they get the opportunity to do so in the future. Hope everything goes well for Happy! oh come on, a large portion of sc2 is funded by people who throw money at it assuming a loss, blizzard/TB for example, the scene is hardly self supporting, it may not be dead but we're not far off. Is negativity your second name ? just wondering. These guys are not completely wrong though. Just take the PC Bangs in Korea for example, last time I checked SC 2 was at rank 23. And remember the finals between soO and Solar at DH? It has been said multiple times in the LR, the venue was not well-attended although it was a saturday. Just to name two examples. Right now the state of SC 2 is okay I think, neither at the top nor daed. This seems to be enough to keep going but as soon as Billzard releases Heroes there will be noticable changes in the Sc2 scene. @ Topic: Not surprising I thought Empire would disband when Kas left the team.
I just saw the DH Stockholm CS:GO final and there were less than 100 people in the audience. Maybe it was an event wide phenomenon?
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On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left.
isnt sc2 now the same as sc:bw. korea and well thats it? no we have still dreamhack and a small german fighter who gives events. so overall sc2 is in a much better shape than sc:bw ever was globaly. yeah its more shitty in korea but well its ok that sc is not just centered in korea. no koreans come to us to show us fantastic play.
always this complaining and non understanding that sc2 is in way better shape than sc:bw ever was. and blizzard paying players. thats fucking amazing. no way of monotasation but they keep paying. i love world of warcraft for this.
and sry but 1vs1 games are just dying. shooter died, now third person clicking dies too. team games are wining. thats how it is and maybe it will change again. dont be sad. buy the last dlc and be happy
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Anyone knows if happy will find another team or?
Ok I didn't read, looks like he will try but he will find it hard to get a team
A shame really
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On October 15 2014 06:10 tadL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left. isnt sc2 now the same as sc:bw. korea and well thats it? no we have still dreamhack and a small german fighter who gives events. so overall sc2 is in a much better shape than sc:bw ever was globaly. yeah its more shitty in korea but well its ok that sc is not just centered in korea. no koreans come to us to show us fantastic play. always this complaining and non understanding that sc2 is in way better shape than sc:bw ever was. and blizzard paying players. thats fucking amazing. no way of monotasation but they keep paying. i love world of warcraft for this. and sry but 1vs1 games are just dying. shooter died, now third person clicking dies too. team games are wining. thats how it is and maybe it will change again. dont be sad. buy the last dlc and be happy
If you are talking about BW foreign scene then yes. If you are talking Korean scene. It's smaller.
Also i think shooters are in good shape. Quake is still there (also smaller), CSGO still have big teams with big sponsors and Call of Duty and Halo are still played in MLG.
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On October 14 2014 19:29 Nothera wrote:Seems like they kept their Hearthstone ''squad'', that sucks that even hearthstone is more popular than SC2
yeah but honestly everyone knows why that is, and i fully blame blizzard for this and them having their head stuck up their ass when we talk about the topic of change (i won't go into that one here)
but basically hearthstone is a CASUAL game and because of that it has more players and a larger audience, hell why do you think league has so many players? not because it is a "hard" game to play at very low level like sc2 is.
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On October 15 2014 20:36 SCguineapig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 19:29 Nothera wrote:Seems like they kept their Hearthstone ''squad'', that sucks that even hearthstone is more popular than SC2 yeah but honestly everyone knows why that is, and i fully blame blizzard for this and them having their head stuck up their ass when we talk about the topic of change (i won't go into that one here) but basically hearthstone is a CASUAL game and because of that it has more players and a larger audience, hell why do you think league has so many players? not because it is a "hard" game to play at very low level like sc2 is.
Heroes is the same deal, blizzard is throwing all its eggs in the easy casual basket and they'll be winning for it. Even TL is getting in on it, with liquid'passionstone and 'heroes, this is no longer the hardcore RTS community. I just wish bliz would give SC2 the game a bit more love and let the esport do or dies as it will. That WCS money could pay a dev team a few times over to add the stuff like automated tourneys people have been crying for since inception, not to mention micro-transactions to make it actually justifiable in the board room.
Can't blame teams for leaving, the bubbles burst, well slowly deflated, its just not sustainable anymore.
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good luck to you sir, i always thought of empire as one of the strongest eastern eu teams, was a huge fan of the team back in the day, when the Kas was there
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Wish Happy & Empire GL.
I think one of the primary reasons for SC2 not gaining as much popularity as other games is simple -- it's just too hard for the general gaming population and I don't mean that to be any sort of insult...just a general observation.
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Cascade Happy inc. Back with Kas where Happy was meant to be.
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On October 15 2014 18:30 FFW_Rude wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 15 2014 06:10 tadL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left. isnt sc2 now the same as sc:bw. korea and well thats it? no we have still dreamhack and a small german fighter who gives events. so overall sc2 is in a much better shape than sc:bw ever was globaly. yeah its more shitty in korea but well its ok that sc is not just centered in korea. no koreans come to us to show us fantastic play. always this complaining and non understanding that sc2 is in way better shape than sc:bw ever was. and blizzard paying players. thats fucking amazing. no way of monotasation but they keep paying. i love world of warcraft for this. and sry but 1vs1 games are just dying. shooter died, now third person clicking dies too. team games are wining. thats how it is and maybe it will change again. dont be sad. buy the last dlc and be happy If you are talking about BW foreign scene then yes. If you are talking Korean scene. It's smaller. Also i think shooters are in good shape. Quake is still there (also smaller), CSGO still have big teams with big sponsors and Call of Duty and Halo are still played in MLG.
that are team games. and i just said 1vs1 games are dying. first in the shooter szene and as you point out just team shoters are alive and now the click to move unit games like rts are dying and the team based games that you control this way are alive
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Will really miss Empire tbh... Always been a great part of our scene. Even since like, the early days of WoL... These guys went strong. Thanks for all you did.
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