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Here's the announcement, im parting ways with Team Empire, statement here:
Today I’m leaving team, I had been representing for 3,5 years. If I’m not mistaken, I never been in any team for such a long period of time, so, it feels a bit weird. Sad, but, everything end’s once in a while. In before I would say, that, this announcement is not a sudden surprise for me, it’s been decided back in mid-summer.
I remember, how hesitant I was, while thinking about becoming a part of, back then, very young and upcoming team Empire back in 2011, how distrustful I was towards the team. Fortunately, I quickly realized, that Empire is a serious and stable team, and that Empire at that moment could have given me support, that I didn’t have even back in the time, when I was Warcraft 3 player.
Not everything been perfect in the team at times, but, I have no shame to say, that, out of those teams I had been part of, Empire proved themselves from the best side.
I don’t regret about spending my time here, but, as I wrote above, nothing lasts forever. Time is going, team’s priorities change, StarCraft II is not having the best times right now (and would there be a better times – nobody knows).
I would like to thank all the people I had business with, those who still work with Team Empire, and those who worked before.
In the first place, I would like to thank current CEO of Empire – Stranger, for trying to convince me to join the team for such a long time, before it actually happened. For all the work he did, to build up the team, and continues to build, though, in the other direction now. I wish him luck and all the best in future!
Also I would like to thank team Empire owner’s – Sarmat and Nevod, without them, team would not exist at all.
Regarding my future – I will be honest, even though my financial matters aren’t going bad in this year (I visited few tournaments this year, but only one of them left me without prize), but, I don’t really see any perspective in StarCraft II.
No, I will not retire, or, to name it better, I don’t have it in my plans. I don’t think I will be able to find team in current situation, so, I think, I will be team less for a while.
-Happy
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Wow that was unexpected. I guess Empire is going to leave the Starcraft scene now?
Also best of luck to him in finding a new team
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sad for somewone like happy to say teamless  ( i feel so sad about sc2 , really i want Blizzard to do something about sc2 , when i look at DOTA 2 i fell like valve gives so little money and makes so much
All the tournaments maked by people ... CSGO is getting bigger .
But want i can say they have hearthstone and now HOTS
I really wish Happy will find a new team he is so good at training
GL
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Russian Federation3 Posts
Let's invite Happy for Evil Geniuses!
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Happy is such a consistent player, there rly should be a team to pick him up.
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United States13143 Posts
no Happy, no Kas, no BeastyQT...
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Germany913 Posts
Good luck Happy!
Also VERY relevant:
![[image loading]](http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-17-2014/x17LSz.gif)
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Fnatic could use an extra Terran, and they're the kind of stable team that a player of Happy's caliber deserves.
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God that roster at the end
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Would love to see him join mousesports
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Next week breaking news: Team Invasion acquires Happy?
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Russian Federation7 Posts
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Good luck in the future Happy. not surprising that Empire have moved on from Sc2
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Not a good news
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On October 14 2014 05:43 Circumstance wrote:
Fnatic could use an extra Terran, and they're the kind of stable team that a player of Happy's caliber deserves.
I don't think fnatic will pick any sc2 players up anytime soon. Their LoL and DOTA teams are the real moneymakers, and CarN is always going to be biased towards their pretty good CS:GO team.
That said, I think he would be a pretty good pickup for another team. With the lack of CIS orgs these days in starcraft, I wonder if acer or MyI have their eye on him...
My prediction though is Alien invasion as they have the money since Golden has retired, or Vega Squadron as they are the last decent Russian team left
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Sad news Hope happy will be alright
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And now my favorite team during WoL has no players i cheer for... I loved Kas, Beastyqt and Happy were in the same team. I guess Empire will focus more on Dota 2.
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Really hope Happy comes to find a passion for Starcraft. He's a great player even though playing Starcraft is just a job to him. If he were passionate and aspiring to be the best, it could be interesting to see how good he could become.
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Legacy of the Void really can't get here soon enough. We need something to revitalize the scene :/
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Damn that sucks. Happy is one of the most dedicated foreigners in the scene. Hope he can get picked up, he really deserves a team environment.
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wow it'll feel weird to not call him EmpireHappy
same was with Kas
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Eek, that is the saddest roster I've ever seen
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I don’t think I will be able to find team in current situation, so, I think, I will be team less for a while.
At least he's well aware of the situation. Hope he can still manage to find a decent contract somewhere...
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brutal honesty in that statement. quite saddening
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Happy is one of my favorite players and I wish him luck in whatever he does.
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Hard to imagine Happy playing in a team other than empire.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 14 2014 05:41 Clubfan wrote:Good luck Happy! Also VERY relevant:
Well... Not THAT relevant....
However Happy have been with Empire for soooo long now :o He's like MarineKing where you almost forgot that Prime was not part of his name. Saying Happy without Empire is just so strange.
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Russian Federation40 Posts
On October 14 2014 05:32 Aeromi wrote:Empire roster :  Easy
this is not the correct information. Easy leave Empire
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Would Happy consider going to Korea? He definitely has the work ethic.
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Best of luck to Happy he is definitely an asset to the foreign scene and it would suck to lose out on him. Empire closing their SC2 team isn't surprising, they haven't shown much in terms of supporting the game and their focus has been on Dota 2 lately.
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Someone will be more than happy to pick him up!
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Russian Federation15 Posts
Na'Vi Vp RoX, now Empire
That was the last nail in the coffin of CIS Starcraft
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Russian Federation232 Posts
good luck happy. sc2 is having a slow and painful death every month T.T
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It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
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On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
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The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now..
User was warned for this post
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Hope Happy can find somewhere.
Shame Empire is leaving SC2, I always liked them. But they lost all their players one by one so what can you expect?
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TLADT24920 Posts
honestly, it's not that surprising. I recall reading rumours about Empire moving from SCII several months back (in some thread, can't remember name) so it doesn't come as a shock to me but it's sad for the fans, that's for sure :/ Best of luck to happy!
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LotV will be another resurgence in the SC2 scene, so it sucks to see these teams leaving before the final expansion. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few try to put a team BACK together for LotV.
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Shame to hear that happen. Hope Happy (and Adonminus!) find good fortune in their future endeavors.
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Northern Ireland25344 Posts
On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now..
What games outside of the big MOBA titles are bigger?
Not sure what is going on outside of the SC bubble
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On October 14 2014 09:33 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. What games outside of the big MOBA titles are bigger? Not sure what is going on outside of the SC bubble
I'm pretty sure any number of random F2P FPS' in China or Korea or Russia has a bigger scene by numbers alone lol.
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Northern Ireland25344 Posts
If they don't have a big tournament scene they don't really count as a bigger eSport title surely?
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I think counter strike is bigger than SC2 atm
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gl happy
the only non-korean player i'm following closely
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Never hoped for a player being picked as much as I'm hoping now for Happy :'(. His stream has been the most enjoyable for me and I hope he continues to stream/gets support from someone!
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United States13143 Posts
On October 14 2014 09:33 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. What games outside of the big MOBA titles are bigger? Not sure what is going on outside of the SC bubble
CSGO and Hearthstone, at least. Probably some fighting game as well, the only one I know anything about is SSBM.
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On October 14 2014 09:33 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. What games outside of the big MOBA titles are bigger? Not sure what is going on outside of the SC bubble
hearthstone blew past sc2 as soon as it was released and has stayed well above sc2 ever since. CSGO had a slow start but had skyrocketed in the past several months, their last major a couple months ago had like 500k viewers. Meanwhile WCS America Finals pulls in barely 30k viewers (it didnt air at a great time but still) It used to just be LoL and Dota2 that were way above starcraft, but now its several games. The teams are pulling out, there are few controversial and fun personalities to follow now (they've mostly either quit or kind of gone away), very few team houses outside korea it seems, no more talk shows with said personalities, etc. Its just not the same anymore, and to be honest I don't see legacy of the void really changing that.
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Good Foreigners always get snatched up Happy will be no exception Sad to see another big team in esports closing it's doors to SC2 maybe they will come back with the release of LotV which I hope is next year.
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Looks like Happy just brought down an entire Empire.
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Another one bites the dust.
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Sad, empire seemed to be doing good in SC2 for a long time, gl to both parties in the future.
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Noo, I hope Happy does ok, but it's pretty sad to see Empire shutdown their SC2 team
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On October 14 2014 09:58 ROOTFayth wrote:
I think counter strike is bigger than SC2 atm
You are correct.
The last major tournament had 350k viewers or something ridiculous (I almost want to say 400k, but can't remember if it got that high or not).
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On October 14 2014 11:58 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 09:58 ROOTFayth wrote:
I think counter strike is bigger than SC2 atm You are correct. The last major tournament had 350k viewers or something ridiculous (I almost want to say 400k, but can't remember if it got that high or not).
Which is incredible, because CS:GO was absolute garbage when it came out, but Valve has listened to its community and has made it an amazing game. Each patch has made the game better and added little new features to both the gameplay and to the interface and really improved the quality of the game. And they didn't even have to wait for an expansion to do it!
Funny how that works.
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Can't wait to see where he ends up. Awesome terran player.
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Russian Federation163 Posts
gl Happy in new team!)
![[image loading]](http://goodgame.ru/files/illustrations/55440_9bRa_980.jpg)
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On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now..
do you even have a reason to be here at all?
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On October 14 2014 12:59 tomastaz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. do you even have a reason to be here at all?
To mourn what sc2 could have been if David Kim and Browder weren't incompetent? There are a lot of ex sc2 fans on this forum who are still here for the community or for the hopes that Lotv will miraculously not be so awful. And theres always the smug broodwar fans who hated sc2 before it was cool.
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On October 14 2014 13:04 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 12:59 tomastaz wrote:On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. do you even have a reason to be here at all? To mourn what sc2 could have been if David Kim and Browder weren't incompetent? There are a lot of ex sc2 fans on this forum who are still here for the community or for the hopes that Lotv will miraculously not be so awful. And theres always the smug broodwar fans who hated sc2 before it was cool.
"mourning" = passive aggressively trolling people for still enjoying something they don't enjoy i guess?
the reason "deadgaem" is warnable is not because it's an opinion against SC2 but because people who say it and repeat it are overwhelmingly obnoxious trolls who want to put others down and make the scene less friendly and amiable
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On October 14 2014 09:33 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. What games outside of the big MOBA titles are bigger? Not sure what is going on outside of the SC bubble
CSGO is getting bigger and bigger. Soon it is more relevant than SC2.
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On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post
Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left.
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On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left.
What's the difference between blindly supporting SC2 and blindly proclaiming it's dead like you're doing?
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On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left.
How can you possibly honestly believe that bolded statement? Yea in reality there's nothing left. Yea there's no Supernova stream (which is amazing btw), there's no Jaedong, there's no Flash, there's no proleague, there's no GSL, there's no WCS, there's no tournament every fucking day, there's no KESPA, there's no teams like ROOT, Acer, teamliquid, etc, etc. There's no Dragon, there's no Avilo (lol), there's no Day9, there's no Rotterdam, there's no ToD, there's no Demuslim, there's no Nathanias, there's no Tasteless, there's no Artosis, there's no Wolf, there's no Khaldor, there's no Basetradetv, there's no Fenner, there's no Liquid HerO, there's no Innovation, there's no Solar, there's no Taeja, there's no Livibee, there's no Go4SC2, no Remax, no major tournament every week or every other week, etc, etc, etc. I could go on for ages...There's no nothing. Am I right?
Really?
I don't see any pretending about anything. What I do see is all kinds of trolls constantly hammering about how SC2 is "daed" game and such and this kind of thing is getting REALLY old and annoying. Blizzard is well aware of the current state of SC2 by the way.
All that being said it's nice to see that Empire suggested they're eager to make a resurgence in SC2 if they get the opportunity to do so in the future. Hope everything goes well for Happy!
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United Kingdom20285 Posts
Happy leaves Empire, Empire leaves SC2
while a little sad, this seems oddly appropriate
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Happy is one of the few foreigners i like
Good luck happy. Hope you'll find something that suits you !
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Happy will find a good team. He has the best foreign terran micro there is. His macro is slipping up from time to time but his micro is outstanding.
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Wow that's quite surprising. Empire is a great team and I hope they will reopen a sc2 squad once LotV is out. Happy is a good player and I don't think we're ready to see him retire from starcraft  . Gl to both Empire and Happy
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On October 14 2014 15:23 DuckloadBlackra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left. How can you possibly honestly believe that bolded statement? Yea in reality there's nothing left. Yea there's no Supernova stream (which is amazing btw), there's no Jaedong, there's no Flash, there's no proleague, there's no GSL, there's no WCS, there's no tournament every fucking day, there's no KESPA, there's no teams like ROOT, Acer, teamliquid, etc, etc. There's no Dragon, there's no Avilo (lol), there's no Day9, there's no Rotterdam, there's no ToD, there's no Demuslim, there's no Nathanias, there's no Tasteless, there's no Artosis, there's no Wolf, there's no Khaldor, there's no Basetradetv, there's no Fenner, there's no Liquid HerO, there's no Innovation, there's no Solar, there's no Taeja, there's no Livibee, there's no Go4SC2, no Remax, no major tournament every week or every other week, etc, etc, etc. I could go on for ages...There's no nothing. Am I right? Really? I don't see any pretending about anything. What I do see is all kinds of trolls constantly hammering about how SC2 is "daed" game and such and this kind of thing is getting REALLY old and annoying. Blizzard is well aware of the current state of SC2 by the way. All that being said it's nice to see that Empire suggested they're eager to make a resurgence in SC2 if they get the opportunity to do so in the future. Hope everything goes well for Happy!
oh come on, a large portion of sc2 is funded by people who throw money at it assuming a loss, blizzard/TB for example, the scene is hardly self supporting, it may not be dead but we're not far off.
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On October 14 2014 16:20 Meavis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 15:23 DuckloadBlackra wrote:On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left. How can you possibly honestly believe that bolded statement? Yea in reality there's nothing left. Yea there's no Supernova stream (which is amazing btw), there's no Jaedong, there's no Flash, there's no proleague, there's no GSL, there's no WCS, there's no tournament every fucking day, there's no KESPA, there's no teams like ROOT, Acer, teamliquid, etc, etc. There's no Dragon, there's no Avilo (lol), there's no Day9, there's no Rotterdam, there's no ToD, there's no Demuslim, there's no Nathanias, there's no Tasteless, there's no Artosis, there's no Wolf, there's no Khaldor, there's no Basetradetv, there's no Fenner, there's no Liquid HerO, there's no Innovation, there's no Solar, there's no Taeja, there's no Livibee, there's no Go4SC2, no Remax, no major tournament every week or every other week, etc, etc, etc. I could go on for ages...There's no nothing. Am I right? Really? I don't see any pretending about anything. What I do see is all kinds of trolls constantly hammering about how SC2 is "daed" game and such and this kind of thing is getting REALLY old and annoying. Blizzard is well aware of the current state of SC2 by the way. All that being said it's nice to see that Empire suggested they're eager to make a resurgence in SC2 if they get the opportunity to do so in the future. Hope everything goes well for Happy! oh come on, a large portion of sc2 is funded by people who throw money at it assuming a loss, blizzard/TB for example, the scene is hardly self supporting, it may not be dead but we're not far off.
I think people being ready to throw money without a return on their investment is part of the definition of an "alive" scene
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Lol guys, dont be so dramatic. Theres still a ton of tournaments, teams and players. Every day we have at least several tournaments. Theres ton of players on profesional teams being paid to play the game. Remember this is a single player game while the games that draw more viewers are team games (LOL, Dota, CS). But that very virtue they are bound to draw players attention. People love to play with friends, love to blame others for their loses. And love watching same things happening on stream. Theres nothing strange with team games drawing bigger numbers.
On top of that SC2 is hard on players (in terms of shifting the blame and forgiving mistakes) and the gap between pro and avarage joe is much evident and easier to spot. But those are not a bad things, yes they contribute to lowering the player base and therfore viewers. But do we really want a game in which You could take someone off the streat and after a month or two he could compete with pros? I certainly do not. I am fine with SC2 being smaller but more elitist. Dont worry SC2 isnt going to die anytime soon.
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On October 14 2014 16:20 Meavis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 15:23 DuckloadBlackra wrote:On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left. How can you possibly honestly believe that bolded statement? Yea in reality there's nothing left. Yea there's no Supernova stream (which is amazing btw), there's no Jaedong, there's no Flash, there's no proleague, there's no GSL, there's no WCS, there's no tournament every fucking day, there's no KESPA, there's no teams like ROOT, Acer, teamliquid, etc, etc. There's no Dragon, there's no Avilo (lol), there's no Day9, there's no Rotterdam, there's no ToD, there's no Demuslim, there's no Nathanias, there's no Tasteless, there's no Artosis, there's no Wolf, there's no Khaldor, there's no Basetradetv, there's no Fenner, there's no Liquid HerO, there's no Innovation, there's no Solar, there's no Taeja, there's no Livibee, there's no Go4SC2, no Remax, no major tournament every week or every other week, etc, etc, etc. I could go on for ages...There's no nothing. Am I right? Really? I don't see any pretending about anything. What I do see is all kinds of trolls constantly hammering about how SC2 is "daed" game and such and this kind of thing is getting REALLY old and annoying. Blizzard is well aware of the current state of SC2 by the way. All that being said it's nice to see that Empire suggested they're eager to make a resurgence in SC2 if they get the opportunity to do so in the future. Hope everything goes well for Happy! oh come on, a large portion of sc2 is funded by people who throw money at it assuming a loss, blizzard/TB for example, the scene is hardly self supporting, it may not be dead but we're not far off.
Is negativity your second name ? just wondering.
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On October 14 2014 16:50 Silvanel wrote:
Lol guys, dont be so dramatic. Theres still a ton of tournaments, teams and players. Every day we have at least several tournaments. Theres ton of players on profesional teams being paid to play the game. Remember this is a single player game while the games that draw more viewers are team games (LOL, Dota, CS). But that very virtue they are bound to draw players attention. People love to play with friends, love to blame others for their loses. And love watching same things happening on stream. Theres nothing strange with team games drawing bigger numbers.
by that logic SC2 team games should've been huge, but it's not, the problem is not as much the genre as it is the game itself.
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Sad to hear about Happy. Truly one of the top foreigners, and almost the only one in Eastern Europe to stay relevant in top-level recent WCS. I really hope he finds a new team soon.
Regarding Empire leaving SC2, like everyone else i can't say it was unexpected, going down from a very strong roster with Happy, Kas, BeastyQT, Bratok in his good days, even Naniwa, Welmu and some Koreans at one point, to just Happy. It was clear the team was heading into a new direction.
I really don't want to jump on the bandwagon of "sc2 is dieing" that is going on here. OK maybe viewer numbers are down compared to other games, but the community is still very much alive. There's a lot of "grassroots" movement still going on in the community, lots of new teams forming even for amateur status, lots of teamleagues still running, weekly tournaments also very common, even CIS still has a couple of strong teams in Cascade and Vega Squadron.
With the new residency requirements probably some strong Koreans will move out of EU, so this could further stimulate the "professional" scene as well, and content creators such as Basetrade TV doing tourneys as well....
Instead of viewer numbers for tourneys i would look at the number of games played on BNET/players on BNET to gauge the current potential of SC2. I bet those are looking alot better, just that not so many people are aware of TL/streams/WCS tournaments etc, they just open their PC and pop SC2 and play afew games.
Hoping that Empire will come back in the future, for LOTV maybe, they seemed a lot like a really serious organization.
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On October 14 2014 16:55 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 16:20 Meavis wrote:On October 14 2014 15:23 DuckloadBlackra wrote:On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left. How can you possibly honestly believe that bolded statement? Yea in reality there's nothing left. Yea there's no Supernova stream (which is amazing btw), there's no Jaedong, there's no Flash, there's no proleague, there's no GSL, there's no WCS, there's no tournament every fucking day, there's no KESPA, there's no teams like ROOT, Acer, teamliquid, etc, etc. There's no Dragon, there's no Avilo (lol), there's no Day9, there's no Rotterdam, there's no ToD, there's no Demuslim, there's no Nathanias, there's no Tasteless, there's no Artosis, there's no Wolf, there's no Khaldor, there's no Basetradetv, there's no Fenner, there's no Liquid HerO, there's no Innovation, there's no Solar, there's no Taeja, there's no Livibee, there's no Go4SC2, no Remax, no major tournament every week or every other week, etc, etc, etc. I could go on for ages...There's no nothing. Am I right? Really? I don't see any pretending about anything. What I do see is all kinds of trolls constantly hammering about how SC2 is "daed" game and such and this kind of thing is getting REALLY old and annoying. Blizzard is well aware of the current state of SC2 by the way. All that being said it's nice to see that Empire suggested they're eager to make a resurgence in SC2 if they get the opportunity to do so in the future. Hope everything goes well for Happy! oh come on, a large portion of sc2 is funded by people who throw money at it assuming a loss, blizzard/TB for example, the scene is hardly self supporting, it may not be dead but we're not far off. Is negativity your second name ? just wondering.
These guys are not completely wrong though. Just take the PC Bangs in Korea for example, last time I checked SC 2 was at rank 23. And remember the finals between soO and Solar at DH? It has been said multiple times in the LR, the venue was not well-attended although it was a saturday. Just to name two examples.
Right now the state of SC 2 is okay I think, neither at the top nor daed. This seems to be enough to keep going but as soon as Billzard releases Heroes there will be noticable changes in the Sc2 scene.
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Not surprising I thought Empire would disband when Kas left the team.
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I know but it's annoying to see it every post. We really could just enjoy what we have.
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Good luck to Happy, hopefully Empire will return later on.
If viewership is declining it just means us remaining fans who really love Sc2 need to continuously show strong support for the game! Watch the tournaments (which there are still plenty of), introduce the game to friends (without putting MOBAs or other games down), read news and debate etc etc. I can't see the RTS genre dying anytime soon, and I can't see any other RTS anywhere near as good as Sc2 - so I for one believe this game will be around for quite some time
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On October 14 2014 05:36 OtherWorld wrote:
Wow that was unexpected. I guess Empire is going to leave the Starcraft scene now?
Also best of luck to him in finding a new team
Not unexpected at all imo; He was the only player left. I'm guessing he was the last who had a contract (which is now done).
On October 14 2014 05:43 Circumstance wrote:
Fnatic could use an extra Terran, and they're the kind of stable team that a player of Happy's caliber deserves.
Agree!
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On October 14 2014 18:09 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 05:36 OtherWorld wrote:
Wow that was unexpected. I guess Empire is going to leave the Starcraft scene now?
Also best of luck to him in finding a new team Not unexpected at all imo; He was the only player left. I'm guessing he was the last who had a contract (which is now done). Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 05:43 Circumstance wrote:
Fnatic could use an extra Terran, and they're the kind of stable team that a player of Happy's caliber deserves. Agree!
Well unexpected is not really the adequate word, I meant that he was with them for such a long time that seeing "Empire" with Happy's name was kinda normal. A bit like MKP becoming MVPMK.
And yeah Fnatic.Happy would be great. He deserves a reputed team
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On October 14 2014 18:04 -KG- wrote:Good luck to Happy, hopefully Empire will return later on. If viewership is declining it just means us remaining fans who really love Sc2 need to continuously show strong support for the game! Watch the tournaments (which there are still plenty of), introduce the game to friends (without putting MOBAs or other games down), read news and debate etc etc. I can't see the RTS genre dying anytime soon, and I can't see any other RTS anywhere near as good as Sc2 - so I for one believe this game will be around for quite some time
Frankly, I rather play SC2 than watch it nowadays. Everyone is praising TvT - when I remember Innovation vs Cure I want to throw up... turtle fest, hell yeah, the best mirror MU, the best MU(by many viewers here). Great. I do not want to see more of this. So, yeah... I prefer not to watch. Also, I don't care 'bout other MU than PvX, because I play Protoss.
I hope Happy doesn't end his career, he's a really good player.
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On October 14 2014 18:14 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 18:09 Penev wrote:On October 14 2014 05:36 OtherWorld wrote:
Wow that was unexpected. I guess Empire is going to leave the Starcraft scene now?
Also best of luck to him in finding a new team Not unexpected at all imo; He was the only player left. I'm guessing he was the last who had a contract (which is now done). On October 14 2014 05:43 Circumstance wrote:
Fnatic could use an extra Terran, and they're the kind of stable team that a player of Happy's caliber deserves. Agree! Well unexpected is not really the adequate word, I meant that he was with them for such a long time that seeing "Empire" with Happy's name was kinda normal. A bit like MKP becoming MVPMK. And yeah Fnatic.Happy would be great. He deserves a reputed team
That's certainly true; MVPMK lol (just noticed u responded on Happy leaving, not Empire)
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On October 14 2014 18:21 deacon.frost wrote:
Frankly, I rather play SC2 than watch it nowadays. Everyone is praising TvT - when I remember Innovation vs Cure I want to throw up... turtle fest, hell yeah, the best mirror MU, the best MU(by many viewers here). Great. I do not want to see more of this. So, yeah... I prefer not to watch. Also, I don't care 'bout other MU than PvX, because I play Protoss.
I hope Happy doesn't end his career, he's a really good player.
Well everyone has their preferences. TvT usually isnt my favorite either (ZvZ even less) but once in a while you still get awesome games. For instance Yoda vs MMA in WCS EU the other day had a great first game and then some not-so-memorable games after that. Usually I just let the stream run and then play a few games myself on the side I'll sometimes do the same thing with Swarmhost games in PvZ and then check back after the 40 minute mark :p
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On October 14 2014 06:49 SC2Towelie wrote:
Legacy of the Void really can't get here soon enough. We need something to revitalize the scene :/
Unfortunately SC2 is not as profitable as it would seem originally.
The Scene is slowly getting smaller, and that is normally a Domino Effect.
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On October 14 2014 18:38 -KG- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 18:21 deacon.frost wrote:
Frankly, I rather play SC2 than watch it nowadays. Everyone is praising TvT - when I remember Innovation vs Cure I want to throw up... turtle fest, hell yeah, the best mirror MU, the best MU(by many viewers here). Great. I do not want to see more of this. So, yeah... I prefer not to watch. Also, I don't care 'bout other MU than PvX, because I play Protoss.
I hope Happy doesn't end his career, he's a really good player. Well everyone has their preferences. TvT usually isnt my favorite either (ZvZ even less) but once in a while you still get awesome games. For instance Yoda vs MMA in WCS EU the other day had a great first game and then some not-so-memorable games after that. Usually I just let the stream run and then play a few games myself on the side I'll sometimes do the same thing with Swarmhost games in PvZ and then check back after the 40 minute mark :p
Yeah, but the problem is, that I do not have so much time to waste it on "not-so-memorable games". So I focus more on PvX games, because they are helping me and then on players I like when they play in a good time spot(e.g. Bomber). Damn you, TIME! Why, oh why have I grown? :D :D
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On October 14 2014 18:56 iloveav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 06:49 SC2Towelie wrote:
Legacy of the Void really can't get here soon enough. We need something to revitalize the scene :/ Unfortunately SC2 is not as profitable as it would seem originally. The Scene is slowly getting smaller, and that is normally a Domino Effect.
Yeah, like we didn't have a FPS team coming in Starcraft a few months ago by recruiting two Korean players, right?
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Seems like they kept their Hearthstone ''squad'', that sucks that even hearthstone is more popular than SC2
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Nah Happy won't stop playing, he never stops! Me as a zergplayer have the most respect for Happy as an non-zerg. Both because of his Wc3-carrier and for his non stop playing, the discipline. Go Happy!
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On October 14 2014 20:20 NaboliC wrote:
Nah Happy won't stop playing, he never stops! Me as a zergplayer have the most respect for Happy as an non-zerg. Both because of his Wc3-carrier and for his non stop playing, the discipline. Go Happy!
WC3 had carriers? 
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Wow, i dont think at all he is going to have trouble finding a team. Without a team enviroment, he managed to be the second best non-Korean this year (in my eyes).
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On October 14 2014 17:36 JoeCool wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 16:55 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 14 2014 16:20 Meavis wrote:On October 14 2014 15:23 DuckloadBlackra wrote:On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left. How can you possibly honestly believe that bolded statement? Yea in reality there's nothing left. Yea there's no Supernova stream (which is amazing btw), there's no Jaedong, there's no Flash, there's no proleague, there's no GSL, there's no WCS, there's no tournament every fucking day, there's no KESPA, there's no teams like ROOT, Acer, teamliquid, etc, etc. There's no Dragon, there's no Avilo (lol), there's no Day9, there's no Rotterdam, there's no ToD, there's no Demuslim, there's no Nathanias, there's no Tasteless, there's no Artosis, there's no Wolf, there's no Khaldor, there's no Basetradetv, there's no Fenner, there's no Liquid HerO, there's no Innovation, there's no Solar, there's no Taeja, there's no Livibee, there's no Go4SC2, no Remax, no major tournament every week or every other week, etc, etc, etc. I could go on for ages...There's no nothing. Am I right? Really? I don't see any pretending about anything. What I do see is all kinds of trolls constantly hammering about how SC2 is "daed" game and such and this kind of thing is getting REALLY old and annoying. Blizzard is well aware of the current state of SC2 by the way. All that being said it's nice to see that Empire suggested they're eager to make a resurgence in SC2 if they get the opportunity to do so in the future. Hope everything goes well for Happy! oh come on, a large portion of sc2 is funded by people who throw money at it assuming a loss, blizzard/TB for example, the scene is hardly self supporting, it may not be dead but we're not far off. Is negativity your second name ? just wondering. These guys are not completely wrong though. Just take the PC Bangs in Korea for example, last time I checked SC 2 was at rank 23. And remember the finals between soO and Solar at DH? It has been said multiple times in the LR, the venue was not well-attended although it was a saturday. Just to name two examples. Right now the state of SC 2 is okay I think, neither at the top nor daed. This seems to be enough to keep going but as soon as Billzard releases Heroes there will be noticable changes in the Sc2 scene. @ Topic: Not surprising I thought Empire would disband when Kas left the team.
I just saw the DH Stockholm CS:GO final and there were less than 100 people in the audience. Maybe it was an event wide phenomenon?
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On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left.
isnt sc2 now the same as sc:bw. korea and well thats it? no we have still dreamhack and a small german fighter who gives events. so overall sc2 is in a much better shape than sc:bw ever was globaly. yeah its more shitty in korea but well its ok that sc is not just centered in korea. no koreans come to us to show us fantastic play.
always this complaining and non understanding that sc2 is in way better shape than sc:bw ever was. and blizzard paying players. thats fucking amazing. no way of monotasation but they keep paying. i love world of warcraft for this.
and sry but 1vs1 games are just dying. shooter died, now third person clicking dies too. team games are wining. thats how it is and maybe it will change again. dont be sad. buy the last dlc and be happy
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Anyone knows if happy will find another team or?
Ok I didn't read, looks like he will try but he will find it hard to get a team
A shame really
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On October 15 2014 06:10 tadL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left. isnt sc2 now the same as sc:bw. korea and well thats it? no we have still dreamhack and a small german fighter who gives events. so overall sc2 is in a much better shape than sc:bw ever was globaly. yeah its more shitty in korea but well its ok that sc is not just centered in korea. no koreans come to us to show us fantastic play. always this complaining and non understanding that sc2 is in way better shape than sc:bw ever was. and blizzard paying players. thats fucking amazing. no way of monotasation but they keep paying. i love world of warcraft for this. and sry but 1vs1 games are just dying. shooter died, now third person clicking dies too. team games are wining. thats how it is and maybe it will change again. dont be sad. buy the last dlc and be happy
If you are talking about BW foreign scene then yes. If you are talking Korean scene. It's smaller.
Also i think shooters are in good shape. Quake is still there (also smaller), CSGO still have big teams with big sponsors and Call of Duty and Halo are still played in MLG.
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On October 14 2014 19:29 Nothera wrote:Seems like they kept their Hearthstone ''squad'', that sucks that even hearthstone is more popular than SC2
yeah but honestly everyone knows why that is, and i fully blame blizzard for this and them having their head stuck up their ass when we talk about the topic of change (i won't go into that one here)
but basically hearthstone is a CASUAL game and because of that it has more players and a larger audience, hell why do you think league has so many players? not because it is a "hard" game to play at very low level like sc2 is.
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On October 15 2014 20:36 SCguineapig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 19:29 Nothera wrote:Seems like they kept their Hearthstone ''squad'', that sucks that even hearthstone is more popular than SC2 yeah but honestly everyone knows why that is, and i fully blame blizzard for this and them having their head stuck up their ass when we talk about the topic of change (i won't go into that one here) but basically hearthstone is a CASUAL game and because of that it has more players and a larger audience, hell why do you think league has so many players? not because it is a "hard" game to play at very low level like sc2 is.
Heroes is the same deal, blizzard is throwing all its eggs in the easy casual basket and they'll be winning for it. Even TL is getting in on it, with liquid'passionstone and 'heroes, this is no longer the hardcore RTS community. I just wish bliz would give SC2 the game a bit more love and let the esport do or dies as it will. That WCS money could pay a dev team a few times over to add the stuff like automated tourneys people have been crying for since inception, not to mention micro-transactions to make it actually justifiable in the board room.
Can't blame teams for leaving, the bubbles burst, well slowly deflated, its just not sustainable anymore.
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good luck to you sir, i always thought of empire as one of the strongest eastern eu teams, was a huge fan of the team back in the day, when the Kas was there
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Wish Happy & Empire GL.
I think one of the primary reasons for SC2 not gaining as much popularity as other games is simple -- it's just too hard for the general gaming population and I don't mean that to be any sort of insult...just a general observation.
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Cascade Happy inc. Back with Kas where Happy was meant to be.
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On October 15 2014 18:30 FFW_Rude wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 15 2014 06:10 tadL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left. isnt sc2 now the same as sc:bw. korea and well thats it? no we have still dreamhack and a small german fighter who gives events. so overall sc2 is in a much better shape than sc:bw ever was globaly. yeah its more shitty in korea but well its ok that sc is not just centered in korea. no koreans come to us to show us fantastic play. always this complaining and non understanding that sc2 is in way better shape than sc:bw ever was. and blizzard paying players. thats fucking amazing. no way of monotasation but they keep paying. i love world of warcraft for this. and sry but 1vs1 games are just dying. shooter died, now third person clicking dies too. team games are wining. thats how it is and maybe it will change again. dont be sad. buy the last dlc and be happy If you are talking about BW foreign scene then yes. If you are talking Korean scene. It's smaller. Also i think shooters are in good shape. Quake is still there (also smaller), CSGO still have big teams with big sponsors and Call of Duty and Halo are still played in MLG.
that are team games. and i just said 1vs1 games are dying. first in the shooter szene and as you point out just team shoters are alive and now the click to move unit games like rts are dying and the team based games that you control this way are alive
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Will really miss Empire tbh... Always been a great part of our scene. Even since like, the early days of WoL... These guys went strong. Thanks for all you did.
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On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post
Why was he warned?
He basically said "if you think Empire is irrelevant, its proportional to what SC2 is considering eSports as a whole". Which sadly is true.
The game isn't as big as it used to be, there is nothing wrong in pointing out that in a topic about another team closing its doors to SC2.
About Happy. Well, its sad because I remember watching some live games of him long ago. He was one of those Terran players that were very cool to see playing. I remember seeing an epic marine micro of him against aTnDarkForce in NASL.
Even if he doesn't quit SC2, I think he can get some profit from smaller tournaments and just be there in the scene. However it would be really cool to see him in EG for example.
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Empire leaves SC2? (( i thot best sc2 russio sc2
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ouch.. Empire_Happy retires from gaming AND Empire team retires from SC2.. gosh.. sad news.. this is sort of a 'you're welcome america, condi is my rock' moment here
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On October 16 2014 02:15 tadL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 18:30 FFW_Rude wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 15 2014 06:10 tadL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left. isnt sc2 now the same as sc:bw. korea and well thats it? no we have still dreamhack and a small german fighter who gives events. so overall sc2 is in a much better shape than sc:bw ever was globaly. yeah its more shitty in korea but well its ok that sc is not just centered in korea. no koreans come to us to show us fantastic play. always this complaining and non understanding that sc2 is in way better shape than sc:bw ever was. and blizzard paying players. thats fucking amazing. no way of monotasation but they keep paying. i love world of warcraft for this. and sry but 1vs1 games are just dying. shooter died, now third person clicking dies too. team games are wining. thats how it is and maybe it will change again. dont be sad. buy the last dlc and be happy If you are talking about BW foreign scene then yes. If you are talking Korean scene. It's smaller. Also i think shooters are in good shape. Quake is still there (also smaller), CSGO still have big teams with big sponsors and Call of Duty and Halo are still played in MLG. that are team games. and i just said 1vs1 games are dying. first in the shooter szene and as you point out just team shoters are alive and now the click to move unit games like rts are dying and the team based games that you control this way are alive
Oh ok i missread your post. Fair enough. my bad :p
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On October 16 2014 02:15 tadL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 18:30 FFW_Rude wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 15 2014 06:10 tadL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote:On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote:On October 14 2014 08:52 HmmmCookies wrote:
It's not like Empire were very relevant anyways
.. The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left. isnt sc2 now the same as sc:bw. korea and well thats it? no we have still dreamhack and a small german fighter who gives events. so overall sc2 is in a much better shape than sc:bw ever was globaly. yeah its more shitty in korea but well its ok that sc is not just centered in korea. no koreans come to us to show us fantastic play. always this complaining and non understanding that sc2 is in way better shape than sc:bw ever was. and blizzard paying players. thats fucking amazing. no way of monotasation but they keep paying. i love world of warcraft for this. and sry but 1vs1 games are just dying. shooter died, now third person clicking dies too. team games are wining. thats how it is and maybe it will change again. dont be sad. buy the last dlc and be happy If you are talking about BW foreign scene then yes. If you are talking Korean scene. It's smaller. Also i think shooters are in good shape. Quake is still there (also smaller), CSGO still have big teams with big sponsors and Call of Duty and Halo are still played in MLG. that are team games. and i just said 1vs1 games are dying. first in the shooter szene and as you point out just team shoters are alive and now the click to move unit games like rts are dying and the team based games that you control this way are alive
On October 14 2014 17:02 Meavis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 16:50 Silvanel wrote:
Lol guys, dont be so dramatic. Theres still a ton of tournaments, teams and players. Every day we have at least several tournaments. Theres ton of players on profesional teams being paid to play the game. Remember this is a single player game while the games that draw more viewers are team games (LOL, Dota, CS). But that very virtue they are bound to draw players attention. People love to play with friends, love to blame others for their loses. And love watching same things happening on stream. Theres nothing strange with team games drawing bigger numbers.
by that logic SC2 team games should've been huge, but it's not, the problem is not as much the genre as it is the game itself.
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On October 16 2014 10:14 A3th3r wrote:ouch.. Empire_Happy retires from gaming AND Empire team retires from SC2.. gosh.. sad news.. this is sort of a 'you're welcome america, condi is my rock' moment here
No, Happy does not retire from gaming. He even explicitly states that in the OP.
On October 14 2014 05:32 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +
No, I will not retire, or, to name it better, I don’t have it in my plans. I don’t think I will be able to find team in current situation, so, I think, I will be team less for a while.
-Happy
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On October 16 2014 19:15 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2014 10:14 A3th3r wrote:ouch.. Empire_Happy retires from gaming AND Empire team retires from SC2.. gosh.. sad news.. this is sort of a 'you're welcome america, condi is my rock' moment here No, Happy does not retire from gaming. He even explicitly states that in the OP. Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 05:32 Aeromi wrote:
No, I will not retire, or, to name it better, I don’t have it in my plans. I don’t think I will be able to find team in current situation, so, I think, I will be team less for a while.
-Happy
Also Stranger said Empire may come back to sc2 when LotV is released
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Good luck Happy. Thanks for sticking around. Hopefully times will get better =/.
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