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TaShadan
Germany1977 Posts
On October 14 2014 09:33 Wombat_NI wrote: What games outside of the big MOBA titles are bigger? Not sure what is going on outside of the SC bubble CSGO is getting bigger and bigger. Soon it is more relevant than SC2. | ||
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saddaromma
1129 Posts
On October 14 2014 08:59 Patate wrote: The same can be said about sc2 in the whole E-sports scene now.. User was warned for this post Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote: Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left. What's the difference between blindly supporting SC2 and blindly proclaiming it's dead like you're doing? | ||
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DuckloadBlackra
225 Posts
On October 14 2014 14:10 saddaromma wrote: Why this post got warned? Seriously, if we would drop this attitude of blindly supporting sc2 and made community outcry long ago it would help sc2 through blizzard acknowledging and doing smth. But, no, we have to pretend everything is ok cause we dont want to ruin whats left of sc2, when in reality there is nothing left. How can you possibly honestly believe that bolded statement? Yea in reality there's nothing left. Yea there's no Supernova stream (which is amazing btw), there's no Jaedong, there's no Flash, there's no proleague, there's no GSL, there's no WCS, there's no tournament every fucking day, there's no KESPA, there's no teams like ROOT, Acer, teamliquid, etc, etc. There's no Dragon, there's no Avilo (lol), there's no Day9, there's no Rotterdam, there's no ToD, there's no Demuslim, there's no Nathanias, there's no Tasteless, there's no Artosis, there's no Wolf, there's no Khaldor, there's no Basetradetv, there's no Fenner, there's no Liquid HerO, there's no Innovation, there's no Solar, there's no Taeja, there's no Livibee, there's no Go4SC2, no Remax, no major tournament every week or every other week, etc, etc, etc. I could go on for ages...There's no nothing. Am I right? Really? I don't see any pretending about anything. What I do see is all kinds of trolls constantly hammering about how SC2 is "daed" game and such and this kind of thing is getting REALLY old and annoying. Blizzard is well aware of the current state of SC2 by the way. All that being said it's nice to see that Empire suggested they're eager to make a resurgence in SC2 if they get the opportunity to do so in the future. Hope everything goes well for Happy! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20309 Posts
Happy leaves Empire, Empire leaves SC2 while a little sad, this seems oddly appropriate | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
 Good luck happy. Hope you'll find something that suits you ! | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Hakenzerg
France3 Posts
 . Gl to both Empire and Happy | ||
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Meavis
Netherlands1300 Posts
On October 14 2014 15:23 DuckloadBlackra wrote: How can you possibly honestly believe that bolded statement? Yea in reality there's nothing left. Yea there's no Supernova stream (which is amazing btw), there's no Jaedong, there's no Flash, there's no proleague, there's no GSL, there's no WCS, there's no tournament every fucking day, there's no KESPA, there's no teams like ROOT, Acer, teamliquid, etc, etc. There's no Dragon, there's no Avilo (lol), there's no Day9, there's no Rotterdam, there's no ToD, there's no Demuslim, there's no Nathanias, there's no Tasteless, there's no Artosis, there's no Wolf, there's no Khaldor, there's no Basetradetv, there's no Fenner, there's no Liquid HerO, there's no Innovation, there's no Solar, there's no Taeja, there's no Livibee, there's no Go4SC2, no Remax, no major tournament every week or every other week, etc, etc, etc. I could go on for ages...There's no nothing. Am I right? Really? I don't see any pretending about anything. What I do see is all kinds of trolls constantly hammering about how SC2 is "daed" game and such and this kind of thing is getting REALLY old and annoying. Blizzard is well aware of the current state of SC2 by the way. All that being said it's nice to see that Empire suggested they're eager to make a resurgence in SC2 if they get the opportunity to do so in the future. Hope everything goes well for Happy! oh come on, a large portion of sc2 is funded by people who throw money at it assuming a loss, blizzard/TB for example, the scene is hardly self supporting, it may not be dead but we're not far off. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On October 14 2014 16:20 Meavis wrote: oh come on, a large portion of sc2 is funded by people who throw money at it assuming a loss, blizzard/TB for example, the scene is hardly self supporting, it may not be dead but we're not far off. I think people being ready to throw money without a return on their investment is part of the definition of an "alive" scene | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4731 Posts
On top of that SC2 is hard on players (in terms of shifting the blame and forgiving mistakes) and the gap between pro and avarage joe is much evident and easier to spot. But those are not a bad things, yes they contribute to lowering the player base and therfore viewers. But do we really want a game in which You could take someone off the streat and after a month or two he could compete with pros? I certainly do not. I am fine with SC2 being smaller but more elitist. Dont worry SC2 isnt going to die anytime soon. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 14 2014 16:20 Meavis wrote: oh come on, a large portion of sc2 is funded by people who throw money at it assuming a loss, blizzard/TB for example, the scene is hardly self supporting, it may not be dead but we're not far off. Is negativity your second name ? just wondering. | ||
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Meavis
Netherlands1300 Posts
On October 14 2014 16:50 Silvanel wrote: Lol guys, dont be so dramatic. Theres still a ton of tournaments, teams and players. Every day we have at least several tournaments. Theres ton of players on profesional teams being paid to play the game. Remember this is a single player game while the games that draw more viewers are team games (LOL, Dota, CS). But that very virtue they are bound to draw players attention. People love to play with friends, love to blame others for their loses. And love watching same things happening on stream. Theres nothing strange with team games drawing bigger numbers. by that logic SC2 team games should've been huge, but it's not, the problem is not as much the genre as it is the game itself. | ||
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Hassan_RO
Romania77 Posts
Regarding Empire leaving SC2, like everyone else i can't say it was unexpected, going down from a very strong roster with Happy, Kas, BeastyQT, Bratok in his good days, even Naniwa, Welmu and some Koreans at one point, to just Happy. It was clear the team was heading into a new direction. I really don't want to jump on the bandwagon of "sc2 is dieing" that is going on here. OK maybe viewer numbers are down compared to other games, but the community is still very much alive. There's a lot of "grassroots" movement still going on in the community, lots of new teams forming even for amateur status, lots of teamleagues still running, weekly tournaments also very common, even CIS still has a couple of strong teams in Cascade and Vega Squadron. With the new residency requirements probably some strong Koreans will move out of EU, so this could further stimulate the "professional" scene as well, and content creators such as Basetrade TV doing tourneys as well.... Instead of viewer numbers for tourneys i would look at the number of games played on BNET/players on BNET to gauge the current potential of SC2. I bet those are looking alot better, just that not so many people are aware of TL/streams/WCS tournaments etc, they just open their PC and pop SC2 and play afew games. Hoping that Empire will come back in the future, for LOTV maybe, they seemed a lot like a really serious organization. | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On October 14 2014 16:55 FFW_Rude wrote: Is negativity your second name ? just wondering. These guys are not completely wrong though. Just take the PC Bangs in Korea for example, last time I checked SC 2 was at rank 23. And remember the finals between soO and Solar at DH? It has been said multiple times in the LR, the venue was not well-attended although it was a saturday. Just to name two examples. Right now the state of SC 2 is okay I think, neither at the top nor daed. This seems to be enough to keep going but as soon as Billzard releases Heroes there will be noticable changes in the Sc2 scene. @ Topic: Not surprising I thought Empire would disband when Kas left the team. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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-KG-
Denmark1215 Posts
If viewership is declining it just means us remaining fans who really love Sc2 need to continuously show strong support for the game! Watch the tournaments (which there are still plenty of), introduce the game to friends (without putting MOBAs or other games down), read news and debate etc etc. I can't see the RTS genre dying anytime soon, and I can't see any other RTS anywhere near as good as Sc2 - so I for one believe this game will be around for quite some time | ||
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Penev
28484 Posts
On October 14 2014 05:36 OtherWorld wrote: Wow that was unexpected. I guess Empire is going to leave the Starcraft scene now? Also best of luck to him in finding a new team Not unexpected at all imo; He was the only player left. I'm guessing he was the last who had a contract (which is now done). On October 14 2014 05:43 Circumstance wrote: Fnatic could use an extra Terran, and they're the kind of stable team that a player of Happy's caliber deserves. Agree! | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On October 14 2014 18:09 Penev wrote: Not unexpected at all imo; He was the only player left. I'm guessing he was the last who had a contract (which is now done). Agree! Well unexpected is not really the adequate word, I meant that he was with them for such a long time that seeing "Empire" with Happy's name was kinda normal. A bit like MKP becoming MVPMK. And yeah Fnatic.Happy would be great. He deserves a reputed team | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 14 2014 18:04 -KG- wrote: Good luck to Happy, hopefully Empire will return later on. If viewership is declining it just means us remaining fans who really love Sc2 need to continuously show strong support for the game! Watch the tournaments (which there are still plenty of), introduce the game to friends (without putting MOBAs or other games down), read news and debate etc etc. I can't see the RTS genre dying anytime soon, and I can't see any other RTS anywhere near as good as Sc2 - so I for one believe this game will be around for quite some time Frankly, I rather play SC2 than watch it nowadays. Everyone is praising TvT - when I remember Innovation vs Cure I want to throw up... turtle fest, hell yeah, the best mirror MU, the best MU(by many viewers here). Great. I do not want to see more of this. So, yeah... I prefer not to watch. Also, I don't care 'bout other MU than PvX, because I play Protoss. I hope Happy doesn't end his career, he's a really good player. | ||
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