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On September 26 2014 05:25 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 03:49 Wuster wrote:On September 26 2014 01:44 ThomasjServo wrote:On September 26 2014 01:27 boxerfred wrote:On September 26 2014 01:22 Invasion-eSport wrote:As we said earlier we are a brand new team on the pro scene, as we can see there is a lot of question about our funding which we find it interesting people are more preoccupied by our funding than our project in the esport. So due to the high demand i'm going to answer (if there is more questions we will be happy to talk about it) we are currently and for the past 4 months funded by a family office. You are going to ask us what is their interest in investing in esport, there is first of all the taxes reason and there is also the fact that they found compatible one of the brand they are managing with esport. The team is created in 2 division one is the community made to have fun to meet nice people, the second part is the pro section where only pros are recruited. After long negotiations, we have reached an agreement to go to the next level and got the funds to be able to hire high quality players. We are also in talking to be able to make them come in Europe. Our structure is based as an organisation with 1 president and 5 board members. Those people take all the decisions concerning the pro roaster, recruitment, budget and sponsors. We are now 12 people working for this organisation (7 players and 5 staffs). The board and the staff is working for now 4 months (holidays were there so during summer not much work was done). Our designers are working on the logo, the new website, clothes, while others are taking care of the players (looking for their needs, tournaments, booking flights, accommodation, gears, etc) and one is responsible to write future articles and is responsible of the communication of the team. We opened a have a facebook page https://www.facebook.com/invasionesport and a twitter https://twitter.com/InvEsport. Maybe revise that post and add it to the op? Clears some things up, but not too many. "family funded for tax reasons" - can you explain that a bit further? Azubu style tax dodging? or wait, was that money laundering they were suspected of? Ya, that line is pretty sketchy since "family funded" has always been code for "no real backers" in the past. Deimos didn't have real backers throughout its entire existence, but it was managed properly, didn't scam anyone, and made great content for the community before it disbanded under completely understandable circumstances. Invasion appears to be pretty much the same thing, just in French.
That has been a bit more true of the NA scene in general, the teams that we have that are based on the NA server are a bit more, at least seemingly so, organically grown. I can't think of an example off the cuff of an NA team, I say team to imply sponsored and would use clan otherwise, that just sprouted up and started recruiting Koreans like other European organizations have.
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A french organization recruiting big players out of nowhere...that never goes wrong am i right ?
Edit : My bad they seem to have a solid community background. Hopefully they do well and dont tarnish the already bleak reputation of french teams T__T
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On September 26 2014 06:36 Marou wrote:
A french organization recruiting big players out of nowhere...that never goes wrong am i right ?
Why don't we wait and see how they do before we pull out the guns. Haha, be supportive they haven't done or said anything that should draw negative feedback. As long as players are being paid through, and the team is a positive source of energy then all we should do is be supportive of the fact there is a new upcoming team giving deserving players a backing.
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While I am rather concerned for the Koreans, as everyone else is, I do find it funny that they're immediately thought of as being the victim in this case. From my knowledge, there are a TON of B team/retired korean players who join these foreign teams for a short time before moving to another team just to absorb some money. In fact, as it has been pointed out, Noblesse has been on like 3 different teams in the past year doing just this... same with sC and others..
Honestly, I'm not even sure if it's worth being worried over their "safety" due to the fact that they'll probably never be playing seriously, never be attempting to do anything in relation to e-sports and more than likely be doing as little "work" for money as possible. If anything, it's terrible for the team who is trying to jump start their organization by investing in them to play again without the possible knowledge this is what the players are looking to do.
That's just my experience with them, and nonetheless, they're really nice doods but well... Unless this team is going to give them serious funding to travel/live as I think I saw them say... I wouldn't be too surprised to just see the korean's move teams again/disappear for a while... Certainly, this isn't the same as scamming but I do not think it is them being very honest especially considering they have a lot of fans who want to actually see them come back and try  ~
Also, in relation to that post with all the scam teams.. how did you forget Blight gaming and blackfoger? loooooooooool
I will never forget the hilarious threads that were created here and all the people that thought they were legit for a time. I still couldn't believe All4One joined up with them and then go figure what happened haha
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Does anyone have the means to actually CONTACT Tails/TOP? There has to be someone (hint TL admins) with contacts enough to get in contact with them to see what they have been promised. Hell, give me a means to contact them and I will check with them (even with my limited korean skills). Someone has to make sure that they haven't been promised ridiculously unrealistic things or misunderstood this French team or how much of a risk this is. I really really hope the best, but simply asking TOP what he has been promised could hint towards whether the Koreans are being misled or whether they actually haven't been promised much and this is actually legit.
Yours,
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FeedMe tweeted at TOP as soon as the news broke.
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On September 26 2014 04:24 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 03:49 Wuster wrote:On September 26 2014 01:44 ThomasjServo wrote:On September 26 2014 01:27 boxerfred wrote:On September 26 2014 01:22 Invasion-eSport wrote:As we said earlier we are a brand new team on the pro scene, as we can see there is a lot of question about our funding which we find it interesting people are more preoccupied by our funding than our project in the esport. So due to the high demand i'm going to answer (if there is more questions we will be happy to talk about it) we are currently and for the past 4 months funded by a family office. You are going to ask us what is their interest in investing in esport, there is first of all the taxes reason and there is also the fact that they found compatible one of the brand they are managing with esport. The team is created in 2 division one is the community made to have fun to meet nice people, the second part is the pro section where only pros are recruited. After long negotiations, we have reached an agreement to go to the next level and got the funds to be able to hire high quality players. We are also in talking to be able to make them come in Europe. Our structure is based as an organisation with 1 president and 5 board members. Those people take all the decisions concerning the pro roaster, recruitment, budget and sponsors. We are now 12 people working for this organisation (7 players and 5 staffs). The board and the staff is working for now 4 months (holidays were there so during summer not much work was done). Our designers are working on the logo, the new website, clothes, while others are taking care of the players (looking for their needs, tournaments, booking flights, accommodation, gears, etc) and one is responsible to write future articles and is responsible of the communication of the team. We opened a have a facebook page https://www.facebook.com/invasionesport and a twitter https://twitter.com/InvEsport. Maybe revise that post and add it to the op? Clears some things up, but not too many. "family funded for tax reasons" - can you explain that a bit further? Azubu style tax dodging? or wait, was that money laundering they were suspected of? Ya, that line is pretty sketchy since "family funded" has always been code for "no real backers" in the past. Anyways, given how little Top / Noblelesse have been playing lately I don't think this is all that much risk for them anyways (not sure how active Tails has been / how long he's been off MVP). They've been around long enough, I hope they did a bit of shopping about with this. For all we know they could be on the team as a, "hey look who we have on our roster," kind of thing. Start up teams always come with their own caveats, especially when they are claiming to be paying players.
I was actually thinking that these guys these guys would come cheaper than we'd (Western perspective) would expect due to their age and general price differences with Asia. It also does remind me a little of that team Nada 'formed' that never did anything. He was just a name they used to attract attention.
On September 26 2014 05:25 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 03:49 Wuster wrote:On September 26 2014 01:44 ThomasjServo wrote:On September 26 2014 01:27 boxerfred wrote:On September 26 2014 01:22 Invasion-eSport wrote:As we said earlier we are a brand new team on the pro scene, as we can see there is a lot of question about our funding which we find it interesting people are more preoccupied by our funding than our project in the esport. So due to the high demand i'm going to answer (if there is more questions we will be happy to talk about it) we are currently and for the past 4 months funded by a family office. You are going to ask us what is their interest in investing in esport, there is first of all the taxes reason and there is also the fact that they found compatible one of the brand they are managing with esport. The team is created in 2 division one is the community made to have fun to meet nice people, the second part is the pro section where only pros are recruited. After long negotiations, we have reached an agreement to go to the next level and got the funds to be able to hire high quality players. We are also in talking to be able to make them come in Europe. Our structure is based as an organisation with 1 president and 5 board members. Those people take all the decisions concerning the pro roaster, recruitment, budget and sponsors. We are now 12 people working for this organisation (7 players and 5 staffs). The board and the staff is working for now 4 months (holidays were there so during summer not much work was done). Our designers are working on the logo, the new website, clothes, while others are taking care of the players (looking for their needs, tournaments, booking flights, accommodation, gears, etc) and one is responsible to write future articles and is responsible of the communication of the team. We opened a have a facebook page https://www.facebook.com/invasionesport and a twitter https://twitter.com/InvEsport. Maybe revise that post and add it to the op? Clears some things up, but not too many. "family funded for tax reasons" - can you explain that a bit further? Azubu style tax dodging? or wait, was that money laundering they were suspected of? Ya, that line is pretty sketchy since "family funded" has always been code for "no real backers" in the past. Deimos didn't have real backers throughout its entire existence, but it was managed properly, didn't scam anyone, and made great content for the community before it disbanded under completely understandable circumstances. Invasion appears to be pretty much the same thing, just in French.
Good to hear there are success stories. I prefer to give the benefit of a doubt, which is why I wrote 'no real backers' instead of my original reaction of 'scam' =p.
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Whoa is this OGS Top from back in the day?!?!?! I will always have cherished memory of him, since his loss to fruitdealer in season 1 made fruitdealer's eventual victory all the sweeter
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TOP has very good English and seems pretty savvy. He'll be fine most likely.
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United States996 Posts
man that ogs jacket is still awesome
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On September 26 2014 08:16 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
man that ogs jacket is still awesome
TL partnerships produce excellent jackets.
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On September 25 2014 22:14 Yonnua wrote:
Probably worth mentioning that this guy was a GSL finalist and responsible for the best game in the history of sc2 on Daybreak. :p
ty for remembering.
also people are forgetting TOP was the only terran for like 3 season to take a map of parting (gsl code A ro48 i believe) before parting was a name(he became a huge name shortly after)
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Good luck to Top! Hope this works out for you.
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On September 26 2014 01:22 Invasion-eSport wrote:As we said earlier we are a brand new team on the pro scene, as we can see there is a lot of question about our funding which we find it interesting people are more preoccupied by our funding than our project in the esport. So due to the high demand i'm going to answer (if there is more questions we will be happy to talk about it) we are currently and for the past 4 months funded by a family office. You are going to ask us what is their interest in investing in esport, there is first of all the taxes reason and there is also the fact that they found compatible one of the brand they are managing with esport. The team is created in 2 division one is the community made to have fun to meet nice people, the second part is the pro section where only pros are recruited. After long negotiations, we have reached an agreement to go to the next level and got the funds to be able to hire high quality players. We are also in talking to be able to make them come in Europe. Our structure is based as an organisation with 1 president and 5 board members. Those people take all the decisions concerning the pro roaster, recruitment, budget and sponsors. We are now 12 people working for this organisation (7 players and 5 staffs). The board and the staff is working for now 4 months (holidays were there so during summer not much work was done). Our designers are working on the logo, the new website, clothes, while others are taking care of the players (looking for their needs, tournaments, booking flights, accommodation, gears, etc) and one is responsible to write future articles and is responsible of the communication of the team. We opened a have a facebook page https://www.facebook.com/invasionesport and a twitter https://twitter.com/InvEsport.
I hope you understand why we have been asking questions about your finances. The SC2 scene has seen many of our favorite players get screwed over by up and coming teams who promise their players benefits but don't ever deliver.
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I predict TL forum member questioning of this team's leader about their finances to be fruitful.
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I'm so happy for Top...
yeah..we need more terran player
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EPT
(The taiwanese Top guy - is the responsible reason for that miss-information ofc..)
