EPT2015 Season of Proleague may award WCS points. - Page 5
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Kevn23
United States80 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17750 Posts
On September 16 2014 05:23 Kevn23 wrote: The easiest way to fix this is to have the top 32 in WCS points participate at Blizzcon. All problems solved. no way, you need at least the top 256 | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
make it round robin too | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
Everyone needs to get $5000 minimum too. To make this equally top-heavy 1st place gets more too. I make that to be a prize pool of at least $4,000,000 | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17750 Posts
make every round one big round robin group with only the last place player getting knocked out each round until you have just 1 player left | ||
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gneGne
Netherlands697 Posts
Would be good enough I think! | ||
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Kevn23
United States80 Posts
Well according to the current rankings, top 32 pretty much includes (I think) everyone would like to see, minus DRG and Parting, maybe Dear, oh and Scarlett. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On September 16 2014 05:28 Die4Ever wrote: make every round one big round robin group with only the last place player getting knocked out each round until you have just 1 player left Should be BO7 all the way too. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17750 Posts
On September 16 2014 05:28 Kevn23 wrote: Well according to the current rankings, top 32 pretty much includes (I think) everyone would like to see, minus DRG and Parting, maybe Dear. haha yea, just teasing you, it's a good idea of course, but they have time and money constraints to work within, and 32 players might also dilute the story of the top 16 making it to blizzcon | ||
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Kevn23
United States80 Posts
On September 16 2014 05:29 Die4Ever wrote: haha yea, just teasing you, it's a good idea of course, but they have time and money constraints to work within, and 32 players might also dilute the story of the top 16 making it to blizzcon Yeah I know. =P. If they can't swing the 32, perhaps have #17-32 in a pre-Blizzcon tournament and give like 4 seeds out of those 16 so they at least have a shot. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
If it's a big deal for Kespa players to go to Blizzcon, then they need to go to tournaments across the world and compete for points there. They have the GSL - it's a shame there aren't more individual leagues in Korea (like the OSL) running alongside them. If Kespa doesn't send its players to foreign tournaments enough, that's THEIR problem. They shouldn't be given WCS points for PL just because they don't send their players out, even if it is a money issue. If the players don't like it, they can do what so many have done, and join a foreign team, where they can compete across the world for WCS points - less prestige, aye, but more $$$, and it is a job after all. THAT SAID, GSL does award more prize money, so perhaps it could award more WCS points too. But that'd be hard to do without making some baseless judgements about how difficult the competition is. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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DeG3n
Germany130 Posts
On September 16 2014 05:23 Kevn23 wrote: The easiest way to fix this is to have the top 32 in WCS points participate at Blizzcon. All problems solved. I think this idea is actually pretty good, if changed a bit. In Snooker there's the following system: The world championship has 32 players participating. At the end of the year, the top 16 players in the world ranking are seeded to the world championship. Then the world ranking 17-96 play for the remaining 16 spots, in such a way, that the players ranked 81st to 96th play a match against the players ranked 65th to 80th. The winners play against the ranks 49th to 64th, the winners of these matches play against the ranks 33rd to 48th, the winners of these matches against the ranks 17th to 32nd and the winners of these matches play at the world championship against the top 16 players, who are seeded. I think adopting this system would give nearly all players that gained points in the wcs system the chance to compete at blizzcon as long as they are good enough to get through the top seeds, while the ranking still maintains a pretty good advantage for the better ranked players, because they have to win feewer rounds to get to the world finals. | ||
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Torrefy
41 Posts
On September 16 2014 04:24 Caihead wrote: How can people possibly see this as unfair? Committing to playing in proleague is a far bigger commitment than going to any of these weekend tournaments that give massive points, why would you not reward points for the most competitive team league? How is it fair exactly that players in proleague commit months of their time often forsaking individual league showings yet get nothing for it? To be fair, proleague players don't exactly get "nothing" for their time. Kespa team salaries are way, way above what any other teams give. Top proleague players earn $70k-$100k a year as their base salary. On the other hand they have much less opportunity to win big chunks at a time in individual leagues. In contrast a player on a foreign team makes significantly less as a stable salary, but they have much more opportunity to accumulate prize money. Despite this someone making $70k-$100k as their base salary is still going to be making more money than all but a very very few of the top performers on the international circuit. Essentially the players in proleague have chosen to go for the stable, safe job where most of them will earn more lifetime then they would have on a foreign team, as opposed to the high risk, high reward job of a foreign team, where you might be able to have more excitement and moments of personal glory but ultimately you are living a life of high variance and low stability. Im not saying this to disagree with your main point, I'm not sure exactly where I stand on this yet. But to say proleague players commit months of their time yet get nothing for it implies that their job is strictly worse than that of international competitors. In reality they are akin to the stable office worker who works long hours and earns a steady and reliable wage and can live their life based off that fact, where international players are more like self employed entrepreneurs who have freedom and excitement and higher earning potential but could possibly wake up tomorrow and find out they have nothing. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On September 16 2014 05:34 Larkin wrote: SYMPATHY POINTS If it's a big deal for Kespa players to go to Blizzcon, then they need to go to tournaments across the world and compete for points there. They have the GSL - it's a shame there aren't more individual leagues in Korea (like the OSL) running alongside them. If Kespa doesn't send its players to foreign tournaments enough, that's THEIR problem. They shouldn't be given WCS points for PL just because they don't send their players out, even if it is a money issue. If the players don't like it, they can do what so many have done, and join a foreign team, where they can compete across the world for WCS points - less prestige, aye, but more $$$, and it is a job after all. THAT SAID, GSL does award more prize money, so perhaps it could award more WCS points too. But that'd be hard to do without making some baseless judgements about how difficult the competition is. That's absolutely the wrong attitude to carry. Blizzard shouldn't be like "These are the rules, with no consideration taken for the health of the scene". They need to cooperate and accommodate for everybody to be happy and things to work out. If you intentionally fuck Kespa over with your point of view, only bad things will happen. Kespa players have commitments to Proleague, do you know what this means? It's not stubbornness or ignorance, they are locked in to play in the league, which means they have little opportunity to go abroad. If WCS is meant to identify the top 16 players in the world, changes need to be made - because clearly, some less-than-great players are going this year, and some of the undisputed greatest players are not. Blaming their "lack of willingness to travel" is stupid and shortsighted. Changes to the system has to be done to accommodate their situation. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Liquid`Snute
Norway839 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On September 16 2014 05:44 Morbidius wrote: 50 points per proleague win seems reasonable enough. So if you get sent out every time in an 8 team round robin for 6 rounds and win 2/3 your games you get 1400 points. That's… a lot. | ||
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