On September 17 2014 00:04 algue wrote: The only downside is that they'll have to use Blizzard's shitty map pool and they won't use their own maps anymore. Awarding WCS points could creat some problems but with Blizzard's change to the WCS NA, most players participating in Pro League will deserve more points than any player in the WCS NA's challenger league.
If they are allowed to do their own map pool modifications, I'm all for it.
Beside that, Korea needs some easy WCS point to keep the player from retiring once they are out of the GSL.
oh shit I completely forgot about this, that's gonna be sad and a big blow to community mapping (even if it's just the korean scene) again ;_;
On September 15 2014 20:54 Elroi wrote: this would be great for both parts imo. its just stupid that we may have a season finals without maybe the three best players in the world. blizzard can't afford that and neither can kespa.
"Best players in the world". Best at what? Not at WCS point collection, that's for sure.
best at starcraft 2.
And when is one best at starcraft 2? When he/she places in the top 16 of that year's WCS? Or when he earns most money? Or when he has most fangirls?
On September 15 2014 20:54 Elroi wrote: this would be great for both parts imo. its just stupid that we may have a season finals without maybe the three best players in the world. blizzard can't afford that and neither can kespa.
"Best players in the world". Best at what? Not at WCS point collection, that's for sure.
best at starcraft 2.
And when is one best at starcraft 2? When he/she places in the top 16 of that year's WCS? Or when he earns most money? Or when he has most fangirls?
You just described Zest 3 times. So yes, Zest is the best.
On September 15 2014 20:54 Elroi wrote: this would be great for both parts imo. its just stupid that we may have a season finals without maybe the three best players in the world. blizzard can't afford that and neither can kespa.
"Best players in the world". Best at what? Not at WCS point collection, that's for sure.
best at starcraft 2.
And when is one best at starcraft 2? When he/she places in the top 16 of that year's WCS? Or when he earns most money? Or when he has most fangirls?
You just described Zest 3 times. So yes, Zest is the best.
On September 15 2014 20:54 Elroi wrote: this would be great for both parts imo. its just stupid that we may have a season finals without maybe the three best players in the world. blizzard can't afford that and neither can kespa.
"Best players in the world". Best at what? Not at WCS point collection, that's for sure.
best at starcraft 2.
And when is one best at starcraft 2? When he/she places in the top 16 of that year's WCS? Or when he earns most money? Or when he has most fangirls?
its based on partly subjective judgment, sure, but the game is stable enough that you don't need to resort to metrics like who's in the wcs top 16, earns the most money or has the most fangirls to determine who is the best player. its impossible to determine exactly who the 16 best players in the world are and that wouldn't be the exact line up we want at blizzcon anyway, but when players like Rain, Maru, Flash and soO are outside the tournament that is supposed to crown the best player of the year there is a problem with the format.
On September 15 2014 20:54 Elroi wrote: this would be great for both parts imo. its just stupid that we may have a season finals without maybe the three best players in the world. blizzard can't afford that and neither can kespa.
"Best players in the world". Best at what? Not at WCS point collection, that's for sure.
best at starcraft 2.
And when is one best at starcraft 2? When he/she places in the top 16 of that year's WCS? Or when he earns most money? Or when he has most fangirls?
You just described Zest 3 times. So yes, Zest is the best.
On September 15 2014 20:54 Elroi wrote: this would be great for both parts imo. its just stupid that we may have a season finals without maybe the three best players in the world. blizzard can't afford that and neither can kespa.
"Best players in the world". Best at what? Not at WCS point collection, that's for sure.
best at starcraft 2.
And when is one best at starcraft 2? When he/she places in the top 16 of that year's WCS? Or when he earns most money? Or when he has most fangirls?
You just described Zest 3 times. So yes, Zest is the best.
ahahahah Viper you're everywhere! :D
:o You too
Impossible to hide from all the KT fans after SPL finals......
On September 15 2014 20:54 Elroi wrote: this would be great for both parts imo. its just stupid that we may have a season finals without maybe the three best players in the world. blizzard can't afford that and neither can kespa.
"Best players in the world". Best at what? Not at WCS point collection, that's for sure.
best at starcraft 2.
And when is one best at starcraft 2? When he/she places in the top 16 of that year's WCS? Or when he earns most money? Or when he has most fangirls?
You just described Zest 3 times. So yes, Zest is the best.
ahahahah Viper you're everywhere! :D
:o You too
Impossible to hide from all the KT fans after SPL finals......
Hey i was a fan long before the finals But i welcome everyone who finally sees the beauty in KT, it is never too late imo :D
On September 15 2014 20:54 Elroi wrote: this would be great for both parts imo. its just stupid that we may have a season finals without maybe the three best players in the world. blizzard can't afford that and neither can kespa.
"Best players in the world". Best at what? Not at WCS point collection, that's for sure.
best at starcraft 2.
And when is one best at starcraft 2? When he/she places in the top 16 of that year's WCS? Or when he earns most money? Or when he has most fangirls?
You just described Zest 3 times. So yes, Zest is the best.
ahahahah Viper you're everywhere! :D
:o You too
Impossible to hide from all the KT fans after SPL finals......
But I've been cheering for KT and Zest since PL started this year!
On September 15 2014 20:11 opisska wrote: WCS points for Proleague is just silly. Time and time again we have seen that people who do amazingly in team leagues (and PL in particular) can comically fail in individual leagues.
Top 10 players in the last Proleague:
Maru herO sOs Flash Rain Bbyong Soulkey Zest RorO PartinG
Other than RorO I think that's a pretty solid individual league list.
On September 15 2014 20:11 opisska wrote: WCS points for Proleague is just silly. Time and time again we have seen that people who do amazingly in team leagues (and PL in particular) can comically fail in individual leagues.
Top 10 players in the last Proleague:
Maru herO sOs Flash Rain Bbyong Soulkey Zest RorO PartinG
Other than RorO I think that's a pretty solid individual league list.
On September 16 2014 09:33 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'm obviously against this from a team point of view. Running a Proleague team is something that isn't financially viable to anyone who doesn't have a big KeSPA sponsor in my honest opinion. While it might compensate for not sending proleague players out of the country to foreign events, it also forces non-Proleague teams to fly out to more foreign events to keep up, not to mention the nonsensical nature of giving out WCS individual points for team efforts.
2015 - Year of "Lets see how many ways we can screw Axiom". Let me know if there's anything else so we can start transitioning to Hearthstone or something.
I love Axiom, I've made posters cheering for Axiom players, but I don't really see how this affects Axiom too much.
Even with four players in WCS America, no Axiom player has ever come particularly close to qualifying for Blizzcon. The highest rated Axiom player in 2013 was Alicia, who finished in 29th. The highest rated player in 2014 is Heart, who is sitting in 30th, and would need to win WCS America to have a shot at qualifying.
WCS points only matter for players who are top 16 or close to top 16. In 2013/2014 the lack of region lock and free tickets to other continents through the WCS system meant that Axiom players had an outside chance of getting top 16. In 2015...nah, top 16 is probably not within reach. soO has already demonstrated that you can get 2nd place in the GSL twice in a row, and still not qualify for Blizzcon. So unless you expect an Axiom player to win a GSL or get to the finals twice next year, it's very unlikely that proleague WCS points will bump an Axiom player out of the top 16 WCS points.
On September 16 2014 09:33 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'm obviously against this from a team point of view. Running a Proleague team is something that isn't financially viable to anyone who doesn't have a big KeSPA sponsor in my honest opinion. While it might compensate for not sending proleague players out of the country to foreign events, it also forces non-Proleague teams to fly out to more foreign events to keep up, not to mention the nonsensical nature of giving out WCS individual points for team efforts.
2015 - Year of "Lets see how many ways we can screw Axiom". Let me know if there's anything else so we can start transitioning to Hearthstone or something.
I love Axiom, I've made posters cheering for Axiom players, but I don't really see how this affects Axiom too much.
Even with four players in WCS America, no Axiom player has ever come particularly close to qualifying for Blizzcon. The highest rated Axiom player in 2013 was Alicia, who finished in 29th. The highest rated player in 2014 is Heart, who is sitting in 30th, and would need to win WCS America to have a shot at qualifying.
WCS points only matter for players who are top 16 or close to top 16. In 2013/2014 the lack of region lock and free tickets to other continents through the WCS system meant that Axiom players had an outside chance of getting top 16. In 2015...nah, top 16 is probably not within reach. soO has already demonstrated that you can get 2nd place in the GSL twice in a row, and still not qualify for Blizzcon. So unless you expect an Axiom player to win a GSL or get to the finals twice next year, it's very unlikely that proleague WCS points will bump an Axiom player out of the top 16 WCS points.
That's why WCS points should be balanced out and used as seeding in tournaments. It gives them more meaning.
On September 18 2014 01:46 metroid composite wrote:
On September 16 2014 09:33 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'm obviously against this from a team point of view. Running a Proleague team is something that isn't financially viable to anyone who doesn't have a big KeSPA sponsor in my honest opinion. While it might compensate for not sending proleague players out of the country to foreign events, it also forces non-Proleague teams to fly out to more foreign events to keep up, not to mention the nonsensical nature of giving out WCS individual points for team efforts.
2015 - Year of "Lets see how many ways we can screw Axiom". Let me know if there's anything else so we can start transitioning to Hearthstone or something.
I love Axiom, I've made posters cheering for Axiom players, but I don't really see how this affects Axiom too much.
Even with four players in WCS America, no Axiom player has ever come particularly close to qualifying for Blizzcon. The highest rated Axiom player in 2013 was Alicia, who finished in 29th. The highest rated player in 2014 is Heart, who is sitting in 30th, and would need to win WCS America to have a shot at qualifying.
WCS points only matter for players who are top 16 or close to top 16. In 2013/2014 the lack of region lock and free tickets to other continents through the WCS system meant that Axiom players had an outside chance of getting top 16. In 2015...nah, top 16 is probably not within reach. soO has already demonstrated that you can get 2nd place in the GSL twice in a row, and still not qualify for Blizzcon. So unless you expect an Axiom player to win a GSL or get to the finals twice next year, it's very unlikely that proleague WCS points will bump an Axiom player out of the top 16 WCS points.
That's why WCS points should be balanced out and used as seeding in tournaments. It gives them more meaning.
Yep, kinda like in tennis, it would be sooo much better ...
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