EPT2015 Season of Proleague may award WCS points. - Page 2
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caznitch
Canada645 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On September 15 2014 21:07 lastride wrote: Kespa playrs cant participate in foreign events.it costs ... they only send the big names.what they should do is make more special events like in bw and award them with tier 2 wcs points. The big names as in the ones who have the good record in proleague and would benefit the most from this new system because they would have access to a pool of points a vast majority of the base wouldn't have? That is basically how it would go. The people who will get sent to the foreign events for points are the same people who would be the regulars for proleague and would also be getting points that way so its not as if there wont be substantial double dipping. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1841 Posts
On September 10 2014 19:27 sagi wrote: Giving points to Proleague might be the best way to compensate KeSPA players who can't attend smaller tournaments due to scheduling conflicts. It could also allocate points in much more even way among larger playerbase (around 4-5 players per team) in contrast to the "top few takes it all" of GSL/WCS. Lets say a map win in PL grants you 20 points. This would have totaled 11100 points in this year making it almost equivalent of a single WCS tournament. However if we look at the stats for this year most players wouldn't get that much points. Top 10 this year would have been: + Show Spoiler + 1. Maru (600 points) 2. herO (520) 3. sOs (500) 4. Flash (460) 5. Rain (420) 6. Bbyong (400) 6. Soulkey (400) 6. Zest (400) 9. RorO (380) 9. PartinG (380) As you can see this isn't a lot. Taking this into consideration even more points might be reasonable to make the point pool for the best players reflect atleast the structure of a tier 2 event. Naturally other scenarios could also work like giving top X players of each PL round some fixed amount of points. This however would most likely be a top heavy distribution and might tie players to PL even more (we had some players taking breaks this year to go to foreign events). Thus the problem would be determining what is the right amount of points and how to divide them among the players. Even a small boost might help the very best to reach the finals. Also, from the current rules' point of view we have to remember that PL is not an open league. If I remember correctly, to award points they should be accessible to everyone through qualifiers. ^Something like this seems reasonable. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On September 15 2014 19:57 Zaphid wrote: It would be better if like 3 MVPs could qualify for Blizzcon directly than just giving WCS points to a locked tournament its funny that you mention this, because you misspelled Mvp's name in your quote bar | ||
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Dingodile
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
Tournaments only care about the WCS branding and promotion. The WCS points narrative is pretty flat and just too confusing for anyone to really care about. All this for you to get to Blizzcon that isn't even close to the relative importance of The International. It probably is more important to sponsors, but for fans it's a little bit more important than other premier tournaments but not a-year-of-collecting-points-much. SC2 tournaments that have too much importance put into them sometimes tend to end with disappointments. First round losers get nothing and this year not even Blizzcon stage time. It's also on a bad time for Europeans, a big part of the community. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
As for the state that WCS is in now, it could also be called "a year-long way to get 16 players for a 100k tournament for blizzcon". | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On September 15 2014 21:59 SinCitta wrote: Meh, I have never understood the obsession of some people about WCS points. The system is broken by design. Some people try to make it "fairer" by hotfixing the worst parts of perceived unfairness, but the system only gets more complicated and confusing rather than objectively better. Tournaments only care about the WCS branding and promotion. The WCS points narrative is pretty flat and just too confusing for anyone to really care about. All this for you to get to Blizzcon that isn't even close to the relative importance of The International. It probably is more important to sponsors, but for fans it's a little bit more important than other premier tournaments but not a-year-of-collecting-points-much. SC2 tournaments that have too much importance put into them sometimes tend to end with disappointments. First round losers get nothing and this year not even Blizzcon stage time. It's also on a bad time for Europeans, a big part of the community. Some people may disagree with you about not caring about the WCS points narrative - at least for some of us it became a source of a lot of fun and a good way to make watching tourneys, particularly towards the end of the year, more interesting. See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/436957-wcs-predictor-2014 | ||
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Darkdwarf
Sweden960 Posts
On September 15 2014 22:38 opisska wrote: Some people may disagree with you about not caring about the WCS points narrative - at least for some of us it became a source of a lot of fun and a good way to make watching tourneys, particularly towards the end of the year, more interesting. See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/436957-wcs-predictor-2014 I don't understand those who say WCS points doesn't add anything. I've probably visited the points standings about every third day all year this year and last year. I think it's an awesome system that should just continue to be tweaked and then used as seeding for all tournaments. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On September 15 2014 22:51 Darkdwarf wrote: I don't understand those who say WCS points doesn't add anything. I've probably visited the points standings about every third day all year this year and last year. I think it's an awesome system that should just continue to be tweaked and then used as seeding for all tournaments. There is no fair way to use a point system to determine participation of a global tournament. There's so much whine already because KeSPA players can't participate in Dreamhacks or IEMs, and "why should the WCS EU winner get the same amount of points like WCS KR since KR is so much harder" etc - the WCS system is fun and gimmicky and everyone is like "oh look player xy attends blizzcon and omg snute didn't make it" but it is no tool that determines a "World Champion". So maybe the brand should change, if the system doesn't. For me, GSL winner = world champion. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
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illidanx
United States973 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17750 Posts
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REyeM
2674 Posts
On September 15 2014 23:58 IntoTheheart wrote: "Toying with the idea of opening ProLeague to the world" might mean something about broadcasting or tournament locales. Is it confirmed that it implies the giving of points? It means that they would allow foreign teams to participate, making it "open" for everyone to join if they are willing. thread | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On September 16 2014 00:04 REyeM wrote: It means that they would allow foreign teams to participate, making it "open" for everyone to join if they are willing. thread Oh, okay. Thanks! | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
On September 15 2014 23:53 andrewlt wrote: Just double the points GSL gives. Zest would have had 10100 points right now, Classic 5600, Life 4225 etc maximal 50% more points imo. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On September 16 2014 00:13 Dingodile wrote: Zest would have had 10100 points right now, Classic 5600, Life 4225 etc maximal 50% more points imo. 10100? That can't be right, he won kespa cup and got second at IEM, those aren't GSL | ||
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