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REyeM
Profile Joined August 2014
2674 Posts
September 15 2014 15:30 GMT
#41
On September 16 2014 00:13 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 23:53 andrewlt wrote:
Just double the points GSL gives.

Zest would have had 10100 points right now, Classic 5600, Life 4225 etc

maximal 50% more points imo.


I did some math.. :pppp

If that was the case, this would be the current top 16:

+ Show Spoiler +
1] Zest ........ 8550
2] HyuN ....... 5750
3] Classic .... 5600
4] MC .......... 5200
5] soO ......... 5150
6] TaeJa ....... 5000
7] Polt .......... 4875
8] StarDust ... 4700
9] Bomber ..... 4300
10] Life .......... 4225
11] herO ........ 3850
12] sOs ......... 3700
13] Rain ........ 3525
14] Solar ....... 3225
15] Maru ....... 3000
16] Jaedong ... 2950
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
September 15 2014 15:36 GMT
#42
I don't think coaches would send players to play in PL just because they need the WCS points. PL is way more important to them than the few points a possible win would award. Hence, I don't think the integrity of the WCS system would be compromised by this.

I do however understand the complaints about PL being a closed league. In theory awarding WCS points to a closed league is not right, but the WCS system is so screwed up imho that this change could actually improve things.
alukarD
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico396 Posts
September 15 2014 15:36 GMT
#43
How about...
SOME WCS points for the best performing player of each team every different round?
Sounds kind of fair.
I agree that PL is a teams tournament, but I wouldn't just shut down the idea of incorporating WCS somehow to it.
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N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 15:40:54
September 15 2014 15:39 GMT
#44
This only makes sense to me if they are straight up going to say like "4 players per region + 4 wildcards based on points/qualifier of some next top 8/something"

Because invites to tourneys, regional teamleagues, etc etc make a bit of a logistics mess of "oh is player Y going to get top 8 at some random tournament to squeeze in 100 more points?" or "who gets to all kill weakest team in proleague"
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17739 Posts
September 15 2014 15:40 GMT
#45
On September 16 2014 00:30 REyeM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 00:13 Dingodile wrote:
On September 15 2014 23:53 andrewlt wrote:
Just double the points GSL gives.

Zest would have had 10100 points right now, Classic 5600, Life 4225 etc

maximal 50% more points imo.


I did some math.. :pppp

If that was the case, this would be the current top 16:

+ Show Spoiler +
1] Zest ........ 8550
2] HyuN ....... 5750
3] Classic .... 5600
4] MC .......... 5200
5] soO ......... 5150
6] TaeJa ....... 5000
7] Polt .......... 4875
8] StarDust ... 4700
9] Bomber ..... 4300
10] Life .......... 4225
11] herO ........ 3850
12] sOs ......... 3700
13] Rain ........ 3525
14] Solar ....... 3225
15] Maru ....... 3000
16] Jaedong ... 2950

This actually looks pretty good considering Jaedong would probably be knocked down by whoever does well in this GSL, although Maru would probably be knocked out too lol, regardless of fanboyism increasing the points for GSL looks like a good thing and I think this shows that the idea is good even if double is bit too much.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 15:43:30
September 15 2014 15:41 GMT
#46
On September 16 2014 00:30 REyeM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 00:13 Dingodile wrote:
On September 15 2014 23:53 andrewlt wrote:
Just double the points GSL gives.

Zest would have had 10100 points right now, Classic 5600, Life 4225 etc

maximal 50% more points imo.


I did some math.. :pppp

If that was the case, this would be the current top 16:

+ Show Spoiler +
1] Zest ........ 8550
2] HyuN ....... 5750
3] Classic .... 5600
4] MC .......... 5200
5] soO ......... 5150
6] TaeJa ....... 5000
7] Polt .......... 4875
8] StarDust ... 4700
9] Bomber ..... 4300
10] Life .......... 4225
11] herO ........ 3850
12] sOs ......... 3700
13] Rain ........ 3525
14] Solar ....... 3225
15] Maru ....... 3000
16] Jaedong ... 2950

You're telling me we get to have possibly Maru, herO, sOs, Rain, Classic, soO, all at the same time? I'm in.
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SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
September 15 2014 15:43 GMT
#47
On September 16 2014 00:30 REyeM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 00:13 Dingodile wrote:
On September 15 2014 23:53 andrewlt wrote:
Just double the points GSL gives.

Zest would have had 10100 points right now, Classic 5600, Life 4225 etc

maximal 50% more points imo.


I did some math.. :pppp

If that was the case, this would be the current top 16:

+ Show Spoiler +
1] Zest ........ 8550
2] HyuN ....... 5750
3] Classic .... 5600
4] MC .......... 5200
5] soO ......... 5150
6] TaeJa ....... 5000
7] Polt .......... 4875
8] StarDust ... 4700
9] Bomber ..... 4300
10] Life .......... 4225
11] herO ........ 3850
12] sOs ......... 3700
13] Rain ........ 3525
14] Solar ....... 3225
15] Maru ....... 3000
16] Jaedong ... 2950

This seems much more fair then the actual top16, lol
Vasacast always in my <3
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17739 Posts
September 15 2014 15:44 GMT
#48
On September 16 2014 00:39 N.geNuity wrote:
This only makes sense to me if they are straight up going to say like "4 players per region + 4 wildcards based on points/qualifier of some next top 8/something"

Because invites to tourneys, regional teamleagues, etc etc make a bit of a logistics mess of "oh is player Y going to get top 8 at some random tournament to squeeze in 100 more points?

I think WCS partners need to stop giving points for 16th place and even 8th place, it's just too easy for a Korean to fly to a random tournament and almost always get points for top 16 or top 8. And maybe WCS AM/EU/GSL need to give less top heavy points so that a 4th place is actually rewarded lol, especially in GSL. Actually now I'm thinking maybe GSL should increase the points of every placing by 50% except for the 1st place (maybe only 25% more for 1st).
"Expert" mods4ever.com
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
September 15 2014 15:44 GMT
#49
On September 16 2014 00:30 REyeM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 00:13 Dingodile wrote:
On September 15 2014 23:53 andrewlt wrote:
Just double the points GSL gives.

Zest would have had 10100 points right now, Classic 5600, Life 4225 etc

maximal 50% more points imo.


I did some math.. :pppp

If that was the case, this would be the current top 16:

+ Show Spoiler +
1] Zest ........ 8550
2] HyuN ....... 5750
3] Classic .... 5600
4] MC .......... 5200
5] soO ......... 5150
6] TaeJa ....... 5000
7] Polt .......... 4875
8] StarDust ... 4700
9] Bomber ..... 4300
10] Life .......... 4225
11] herO ........ 3850
12] sOs ......... 3700
13] Rain ........ 3525
14] Solar ....... 3225
15] Maru ....... 3000
16] Jaedong ... 2950

Holy crap man this list is amazing!!
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 18:30:34
September 15 2014 15:47 GMT
#50
Yes, please. It will just elevate players already among the best even more.
Koreans
T P Z sagi
Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
September 15 2014 15:52 GMT
#51
On September 16 2014 00:40 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 00:30 REyeM wrote:
On September 16 2014 00:13 Dingodile wrote:
On September 15 2014 23:53 andrewlt wrote:
Just double the points GSL gives.

Zest would have had 10100 points right now, Classic 5600, Life 4225 etc

maximal 50% more points imo.


I did some math.. :pppp

If that was the case, this would be the current top 16:

+ Show Spoiler +
1] Zest ........ 8550
2] HyuN ....... 5750
3] Classic .... 5600
4] MC .......... 5200
5] soO ......... 5150
6] TaeJa ....... 5000
7] Polt .......... 4875
8] StarDust ... 4700
9] Bomber ..... 4300
10] Life .......... 4225
11] herO ........ 3850
12] sOs ......... 3700
13] Rain ........ 3525
14] Solar ....... 3225
15] Maru ....... 3000
16] Jaedong ... 2950

This actually looks pretty good considering Jaedong would probably be knocked down by whoever does well in this GSL, although Maru would probably be knocked out too lol, regardless of fanboyism increasing the points for GSL looks like a good thing and I think this shows that the idea is good even if double is bit too much.


Even better would be more GSL seasons, spreading out the points more among the really skilled players. More opportunities for consistent point earning.
Teams: IM, Jin Air, Invictus || Players: Maru, GuMiho, INnoVation, Ryung, sOs, Squirtle, NaNiwa, Has, Zoun, Life, Rogue, Dark
REyeM
Profile Joined August 2014
2674 Posts
September 15 2014 15:55 GMT
#52
On September 16 2014 00:52 Darkdwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 00:40 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 16 2014 00:30 REyeM wrote:
On September 16 2014 00:13 Dingodile wrote:
On September 15 2014 23:53 andrewlt wrote:
Just double the points GSL gives.

Zest would have had 10100 points right now, Classic 5600, Life 4225 etc

maximal 50% more points imo.


I did some math.. :pppp

If that was the case, this would be the current top 16:

+ Show Spoiler +
1] Zest ........ 8550
2] HyuN ....... 5750
3] Classic .... 5600
4] MC .......... 5200
5] soO ......... 5150
6] TaeJa ....... 5000
7] Polt .......... 4875
8] StarDust ... 4700
9] Bomber ..... 4300
10] Life .......... 4225
11] herO ........ 3850
12] sOs ......... 3700
13] Rain ........ 3525
14] Solar ....... 3225
15] Maru ....... 3000
16] Jaedong ... 2950

This actually looks pretty good considering Jaedong would probably be knocked down by whoever does well in this GSL, although Maru would probably be knocked out too lol, regardless of fanboyism increasing the points for GSL looks like a good thing and I think this shows that the idea is good even if double is bit too much.


Even better would be more GSL seasons, spreading out the points more among the really skilled players. More opportunities for consistent point earning.


Solar concurs.

+ Show Spoiler +
Any other things you'd like to see Blizzard pay attention to in 2015?

Hm, I'd like it if they'd try to get KeSPA players opinions when they're making balance patches. Like, have KeSPA send out a survey to all the players. I'd like it if they'd ask all of us our opinions. Also, when they're making new maps, I'd like it if they asked us our opinions before making them ladder maps. Finally, it would be great if we could have four or more GSLs a year. Three is too few T_T
S4 Arrows, never forget. RIP Woongjin Stars.
Hadronsbecrazy
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom551 Posts
September 15 2014 15:55 GMT
#53
Maru could have attended Blizzcon T_T
No need Build Orders, Only Micro,Favourite Players: Maru, Zest, soOjwa , CJherO
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17739 Posts
September 15 2014 15:56 GMT
#54
On September 16 2014 00:52 Darkdwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 00:40 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 16 2014 00:30 REyeM wrote:
On September 16 2014 00:13 Dingodile wrote:
On September 15 2014 23:53 andrewlt wrote:
Just double the points GSL gives.

Zest would have had 10100 points right now, Classic 5600, Life 4225 etc

maximal 50% more points imo.


I did some math.. :pppp

If that was the case, this would be the current top 16:

+ Show Spoiler +
1] Zest ........ 8550
2] HyuN ....... 5750
3] Classic .... 5600
4] MC .......... 5200
5] soO ......... 5150
6] TaeJa ....... 5000
7] Polt .......... 4875
8] StarDust ... 4700
9] Bomber ..... 4300
10] Life .......... 4225
11] herO ........ 3850
12] sOs ......... 3700
13] Rain ........ 3525
14] Solar ....... 3225
15] Maru ....... 3000
16] Jaedong ... 2950

This actually looks pretty good considering Jaedong would probably be knocked down by whoever does well in this GSL, although Maru would probably be knocked out too lol, regardless of fanboyism increasing the points for GSL looks like a good thing and I think this shows that the idea is good even if double is bit too much.


Even better would be more GSL seasons, spreading out the points more among the really skilled players. More opportunities for consistent point earning.

Yea but how many more seasons do you expect them to add? Maybe 1? I think adding a season and also giving a boost (maybe 25%) to the points for 8th, 4th, and 2nd places would be great.
"Expert" mods4ever.com
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
September 15 2014 16:02 GMT
#55
One of the actual problem for WCS System is that EU-korean can just spam DH/IEM and have a free access to BlizzCon.
Look jjakji for example, The only memorable risult is the 2° place at DH, some days ago, and he is #9 with 100% of going to the BlizzCon. This is because he just partecipate to all the DreamHack achievengo Ro16 when he was in a good form but this was enought for him to farm points.

Maybe points for only the top4 or something like that can be better
Vasacast always in my <3
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33650 Posts
September 15 2014 16:07 GMT
#56
wouldn't be bad if the top X players could get some points
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
September 15 2014 16:10 GMT
#57
I don't like this. I'd much rather see Kespa teams sending more players to international events.
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
September 15 2014 16:11 GMT
#58
I'm 200% behind giving more WCS points to Korea but not to SPL, it is a teamleague! But I'd rather see them giving points to SPL than nothing.
It's good to be back
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
September 15 2014 16:15 GMT
#59
On September 16 2014 00:55 REyeM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 00:52 Darkdwarf wrote:
On September 16 2014 00:40 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 16 2014 00:30 REyeM wrote:
On September 16 2014 00:13 Dingodile wrote:
On September 15 2014 23:53 andrewlt wrote:
Just double the points GSL gives.

Zest would have had 10100 points right now, Classic 5600, Life 4225 etc

maximal 50% more points imo.


I did some math.. :pppp

If that was the case, this would be the current top 16:

+ Show Spoiler +
1] Zest ........ 8550
2] HyuN ....... 5750
3] Classic .... 5600
4] MC .......... 5200
5] soO ......... 5150
6] TaeJa ....... 5000
7] Polt .......... 4875
8] StarDust ... 4700
9] Bomber ..... 4300
10] Life .......... 4225
11] herO ........ 3850
12] sOs ......... 3700
13] Rain ........ 3525
14] Solar ....... 3225
15] Maru ....... 3000
16] Jaedong ... 2950

This actually looks pretty good considering Jaedong would probably be knocked down by whoever does well in this GSL, although Maru would probably be knocked out too lol, regardless of fanboyism increasing the points for GSL looks like a good thing and I think this shows that the idea is good even if double is bit too much.


Even better would be more GSL seasons, spreading out the points more among the really skilled players. More opportunities for consistent point earning.


Solar concurs.

+ Show Spoiler +
Any other things you'd like to see Blizzard pay attention to in 2015?

Hm, I'd like it if they'd try to get KeSPA players opinions when they're making balance patches. Like, have KeSPA send out a survey to all the players. I'd like it if they'd ask all of us our opinions. Also, when they're making new maps, I'd like it if they asked us our opinions before making them ladder maps. Finally, it would be great if we could have four or more GSLs a year. Three is too few T_T


I think three seasons is just right. Having too many seasons kind of devaluates each season and most importantly the title of the champion. I'd rather have a second tournament series running alongside it.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
September 15 2014 16:25 GMT
#60
On September 16 2014 01:07 Waxangel wrote:
wouldn't be bad if the top X players could get some points

What about when shine goes on a 14 game win streak and everybody bitches about it?
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