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welp, at least foreigners can feel important again when they win meaningless koreanless tournaments.
*cough* koreaboo *cough*
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Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this.
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So what will happen to Polt?
And I think Taeja will 100% win 2015 Code S Season 1. He is better than 99% of Kespa players and 100% of other players in Korea.
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wonder why they changed their minds...
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I'd like to know what GOM thinks about this reset silliness...
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On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this.
I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player.
I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense.
You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better.
The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant.
This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive.
As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing.
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These changes seem really bad i wonder if they will consider withdrawing the visa change?
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On September 07 2014 03:50 washikie wrote:
These changes seem really bad i wonder if they will consider withdrawing the visa change?
That's like...the entire change?
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On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing.
I agree with this 100%.
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On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing.
Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. Especially when the Koreans are playing on KR ladder (except for Polt), and NA are still practicing against the same weak players.
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Korea needs more tournaments, right now it's pretty much impossible to get a spot at Blizzcon without leaving Korea, and to leave Korea you need a team/sponsor to pay for your flights, and Korean sponsors apart from Samsung gain nothing from sending their players abroad.
Blizzard should work with OGN and/or SpoTV to set up more tournaments in Korea, the scene is too big to only have GSL and proleague, especially since proleague doesn't give any WCS points.
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That's actually a good thing, I don't even care to watch sc 2 much anymore. Maybe I will now.
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On September 07 2014 03:46 rotta wrote:
I'd like to know what GOM thinks about this reset silliness...
They should gain nicely from it. Everyone will want to see if Kespa will be able to hold or not. Will bring some international audience in for sure.
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So I guess there's no more point in watching WCS AM or EU anymore, then?
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On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. Especially when the Koreans are playing on KR ladder (except for Polt), and NA are still practicing against the same weak players.
Except that the Koreans who played in WCS AM played on the NA ladder? Because there's a requirement to?
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On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out.
In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger.
Do you not understand natural selection, or what?
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At least Scarlett will win 1st Place now 
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On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what?
So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea
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On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea
So the fact that non-koreans on the whole have gotten a lot stronger in the last year means nothing at all since koreans are still mostly dominating?
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On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea
WCS Korea is much higher skill level and has many more viewers than NA, so how would NA being more like Korea kill it in any way? You're making no sense.
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