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WCS AM will continue to include LatAm, Oceania/SEA, CN, and TW/HK/Macau, you can all stop freaking out about it. |
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On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea 
How would you explain the recent rise in skill of American players, then? They randomly got better by playing in-house vs exclusively American opponents?
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On September 07 2014 05:35 SmileZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea WCS Korea is much higher skill level and has many more viewers than NA, so how would NA being more like Korea kill it in any way? You're making no sense.
An NA scene, that is all Koreans, is not an NA scene bruh bruh.
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I seriously don't understand how anyone in this thread can actually be happy that we're now going to be getting weaker players and worse games in two regions. Just when I was getting back into SC2, Blizzard decides to fuck things up some more.
I guess it's back to Starbow again.
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I have a question? How does this affect players who move to Korea to train? Can they still compete in NA/EU or do they have to play KR?
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On September 07 2014 05:38 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea How would you explain the recent rise in skill of American players, then? They randomly got better by playing in-house vs exclusively American opponents?
Rise in skill of which American players? Because when I look at the recent results, I see the same NA players that were doing decent before, doing decent now, and no one else rising up.
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On September 07 2014 05:41 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:35 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea WCS Korea is much higher skill level and has many more viewers than NA, so how would NA being more like Korea kill it in any way? You're making no sense. An NA scene, that is all Koreans, is not an NA scene bruh bruh.
Luckily for us, it's not; WCS NA is more of a scene that is dominated primarily by Koreans, but that has proved to give very interesting stories to upstarts in the NA/Oceania/China/etc. region, as well as give Koreans that might have been buried under the GSL weight a chance to build their own storyline. That's why, parallel to the stories of Heart and Jaedong, Taeja and Polt, Alicia and Pigbaby, there are the stories of Huk and Scarlett, Major and iaguz, and so on.
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On September 07 2014 05:41 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:35 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea WCS Korea is much higher skill level and has many more viewers than NA, so how would NA being more like Korea kill it in any way? You're making no sense. An NA scene, that is all Koreans, is not an NA scene bruh bruh.
What are you a fucking racist? Who gives a shit what arbitrary imaginary geographical borders the players were born in, when you jump into the middle of a game all you see are zerg and terran and protoss units fighting on the screen. You wouldn't even know where the players were from if the casters didn't tell you. Better players = better games, and better games are what people want to see. You'd have to be seriously messed up in the head to prefer crappier games just so you can stroke some kind of racial nationalistic complex.
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Efective results are that a lot of korean progamers will leave SC2 cause can't get competitive spots and worst players (foreigner players) will take "their spots". It's sad 
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On September 07 2014 05:45 SmileZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:41 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:35 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea WCS Korea is much higher skill level and has many more viewers than NA, so how would NA being more like Korea kill it in any way? You're making no sense. An NA scene, that is all Koreans, is not an NA scene bruh bruh. What are you a fucking racist? Who gives a shit what arbitrary imaginary geographical borders the players were born in, when you jump into the middle of a game all you see are zerg and terran and protoss units fighting on the screen. You wouldn't even know where the players were from if the casters didn't tell you. Better players = better games, and better games are what people want to see. You'd have to be seriously messed up in the head to prefer crappier games just so you can stroke some kind of racial nationalistic complex.
At the end of the day, it is all just a racial nationalistic complex. Some viewers can never get over that their race/nation isn't the best at everything. I can't believe that people actually think that NA players will catch up to the Koreans if they only had more monetary incentive to do so, that time and money made Korean players better not their skill and dedication. Especially after watching how fast Korean dota2 grew in a year and their complete domination of LoL after they switched over.
I don't see how those people can even call themselves a "fan of the game", when it is clearly not better games that they are looking for.
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On September 07 2014 05:45 SmileZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:41 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:35 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea WCS Korea is much higher skill level and has many more viewers than NA, so how would NA being more like Korea kill it in any way? You're making no sense. An NA scene, that is all Koreans, is not an NA scene bruh bruh. What are you a fucking racist? Who gives a shit what arbitrary imaginary geographical borders the players were born in, when you jump into the middle of a game all you see are zerg and terran and protoss units fighting on the screen. You wouldn't even know where the players were from if the casters didn't tell you. Better players = better games, and better games are what people want to see. You'd have to be seriously messed up in the head to prefer crappier games just so you can stroke some kind of racial nationalistic complex. User was warned for this post On September 07 2014 05:52 yido wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:45 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 05:41 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:35 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea WCS Korea is much higher skill level and has many more viewers than NA, so how would NA being more like Korea kill it in any way? You're making no sense. An NA scene, that is all Koreans, is not an NA scene bruh bruh. What are you a fucking racist? Who gives a shit what arbitrary imaginary geographical borders the players were born in, when you jump into the middle of a game all you see are zerg and terran and protoss units fighting on the screen. You wouldn't even know where the players were from if the casters didn't tell you. Better players = better games, and better games are what people want to see. You'd have to be seriously messed up in the head to prefer crappier games just so you can stroke some kind of racial nationalistic complex. At the end of the day, it is all just a racial nationalistic complex. Some viewers can never get over that their race/nation isn't the best at everything. I can't believe that people actually think that NA players will catch up to the Koreans if they only had more monetary incentive to do so, that time and money made Korean players better not their skill and dedication. Especially after watching how fast Korean dota2 grew in a year and their complete domination of LoL after they switched over. I don't see how those people can even call themselves a "fan of the game", when it is clearly not better games that they are looking for.
anyone who has studied marketing or psychology or anything like that will tell you that people identify more easily with those who share their physical attributes and cultural background. it's not a conscious decision and it's not racist. i personally enjoy koreans and their high level play as well as enjoying less skilled foreigners for totally different reasons on either side. do you go on the same rant to the millions of people who watch college sports? minor league sports?
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On September 07 2014 05:44 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:38 Zealously wrote:On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea How would you explain the recent rise in skill of American players, then? They randomly got better by playing in-house vs exclusively American opponents? Rise in skill of which American players? Because when I look at the recent results, I see the same NA players that were doing decent before, doing decent now, and no one else rising up.
I'm thinking along the lines of puCK, Major, Petraeus (plays WCS AM), Masa. Could throw in State there as well, and I'm sure there are others - I don't follow the American scene as closely as I do the Korean, but I think American players performing better has been a visible trend lately. Do you disagree?
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On September 07 2014 05:53 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:44 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:38 Zealously wrote:On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea How would you explain the recent rise in skill of American players, then? They randomly got better by playing in-house vs exclusively American opponents? Rise in skill of which American players? Because when I look at the recent results, I see the same NA players that were doing decent before, doing decent now, and no one else rising up. I'm thinking along the lines of puCK, Major, Petraeus (plays WCS AM), Masa. Could throw in State there as well, and I'm sure there are others - I don't follow the American scene as closely as I do the Korean, but I think American players performing better has been a visible trend lately. Do you disagree?
tbh those guys have made splashes but until they reach a level where they consistently shred their fellow NA players at a high rate i don't think it's time to talk about strides in the NA level of play. even scarlett is barely barely at a level where she's strongly favored over her entire region. you still see the top NA players randomly losing to mid tier NA players pretty frequently. NA players have been hitting higher peaks lately, maybe
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On September 07 2014 05:53 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:45 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 05:41 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:35 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea WCS Korea is much higher skill level and has many more viewers than NA, so how would NA being more like Korea kill it in any way? You're making no sense. An NA scene, that is all Koreans, is not an NA scene bruh bruh. What are you a fucking racist? Who gives a shit what arbitrary imaginary geographical borders the players were born in, when you jump into the middle of a game all you see are zerg and terran and protoss units fighting on the screen. You wouldn't even know where the players were from if the casters didn't tell you. Better players = better games, and better games are what people want to see. You'd have to be seriously messed up in the head to prefer crappier games just so you can stroke some kind of racial nationalistic complex. User was warned for this post Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:52 yido wrote:On September 07 2014 05:45 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 05:41 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:35 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea WCS Korea is much higher skill level and has many more viewers than NA, so how would NA being more like Korea kill it in any way? You're making no sense. An NA scene, that is all Koreans, is not an NA scene bruh bruh. What are you a fucking racist? Who gives a shit what arbitrary imaginary geographical borders the players were born in, when you jump into the middle of a game all you see are zerg and terran and protoss units fighting on the screen. You wouldn't even know where the players were from if the casters didn't tell you. Better players = better games, and better games are what people want to see. You'd have to be seriously messed up in the head to prefer crappier games just so you can stroke some kind of racial nationalistic complex. At the end of the day, it is all just a racial nationalistic complex. Some viewers can never get over that their race/nation isn't the best at everything. I can't believe that people actually think that NA players will catch up to the Koreans if they only had more monetary incentive to do so, that time and money made Korean players better not their skill and dedication. Especially after watching how fast Korean dota2 grew in a year and their complete domination of LoL after they switched over. I don't see how those people can even call themselves a "fan of the game", when it is clearly not better games that they are looking for. anyone who has studied marketing or psychology or anything like that will tell you that people identify more easily with those who share their physical attributes and cultural background. it's not a conscious decision and it's not racist. i personally enjoy koreans and their high level play as well as enjoying less skilled foreigners for totally different reasons on either side. do you go on the same rant to the millions of people who watch college sports? minor league sports?
What are those psychological impulses from? Racism.
How is college sports or minor league have to do with this discussion? How about learning how to punctuate correctly before spitting out a garbled response?
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On September 07 2014 05:53 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:44 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:38 Zealously wrote:On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea How would you explain the recent rise in skill of American players, then? They randomly got better by playing in-house vs exclusively American opponents? Rise in skill of which American players? Because when I look at the recent results, I see the same NA players that were doing decent before, doing decent now, and no one else rising up. I'm thinking along the lines of puCK, Major, Petraeus (plays WCS AM), Masa. Could throw in State there as well, and I'm sure there are others - I don't follow the American scene as closely as I do the Korean, but I think American players performing better has been a visible trend lately. Do you disagree?
I would definitely say that Major, and Petraeus are playing a lot better. puCK I think has some consistency issues where he looks good one day, and then really bad the next. I guess they could be doing better, but in the long run they are still kind of getting smashed by Koreans.
Just to clarify, I think the move is kind of poopy for the Koreans involved. But even if you were a REALLY good foreigner that wanted to play in GSL, you would have to eventually live there and play under the same circumstances.
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On September 07 2014 05:44 Spect8rCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:41 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:35 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 05:30 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 05:10 SmileZerg wrote:On September 07 2014 04:31 shockaslim wrote:On September 07 2014 03:47 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2014 03:05 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Those who can see long term view will like this change, those who only know short term will be upset by this change. The damage has already been done though, I wouldn't expect NA to be great until LoTV.
If the Koreans didn't retire before the change, they shouldn't retire after the change either. If we lose some fringe Koreans to this, I don't care because they were being artificially supported by a meritototalitarian (made up word) system, where yes, they were the best but also the system also ensured they would stay the best forever and had a inflated amount of seeds to play with (all 3 regions) now they have a fair amount of seeds.
Nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose. At least now someone might give it a shot from NA/SEA who never imagined taking the plunge.
Its a move that MAY grow the scene, all we asked for was a chance. All I know is that with the current system it was never going to grow. Let Blizzard try this. I feel sorry for Scarlett, this guy clearly think she isn't a good player. I nitpicked a small point in your post but let's face it, none of what you say makes even remote sense. You aren't the best because the system caters to you, that's ridiculous. You're the best because you play better. The inflated amount of seeds are seeds that Koreans earned, fair and square. To say that the seeds are now going to be more fairly distributed is basically saying that now foreigners will be able to win things while also sucking. You say it yourself "nobody from NA could really get hyped about playing when they knew they would lose". Which is false. You see the likes of iaguz, HuK, Major and Scarlett who are competing with Koreans. They're genuinely good players and they don't need the blizzard welfare to remain relevant. This is a move that won't help the NA scene. The NA scene will be dominated by a few select players, namely the ones who are in WCS AM and with the paperwork to back them up. The rest of the NA scene is small fry. The few select players that dominate the NA scene are then going to fall behind in terms of skill compared to the rest of the world, since overall that scene is going to be much less competitive. As a whole, if you want to keep the three regions on par in terms of skill, which is very important for the health of the international scene (again, snute vs flash shows just how important that is), then all three regions need to be competitive. Koreans help with that aspect immensely, the strength of their play means that foreigners have to play stronger in order to compete. This in turn means we have very strong foreigners. Those strong foreigners help with the international scene. You take away the Koreans that make up the meat of WCS and replace them with pseudo-pros and ladder warriors, you're going to widen the gap between Koreans and foreigners. That gap was slowly but surely closing. Having stronger Koreans in NA doesn't make the scene stronger, it just ensures that more foreigners get blown out. In other words, it forces foreigners to either get better, or get culled like the weak chaff they are, thus raising the overall skill level and making it stronger. Do you not understand natural selection, or what? So have the NA scene be WCS Korea Part 2? That doesn't make it stronger, it kills it. Watch your tone sweet pea WCS Korea is much higher skill level and has many more viewers than NA, so how would NA being more like Korea kill it in any way? You're making no sense. An NA scene, that is all Koreans, is not an NA scene bruh bruh. Luckily for us, it's not; WCS NA is more of a scene that is dominated primarily by Koreans, but that has proved to give very interesting stories to upstarts in the NA/Oceania/China/etc. region, as well as give Koreans that might have been buried under the GSL weight a chance to build their own storyline. That's why, parallel to the stories of Heart and Jaedong, Taeja and Polt, Alicia and Pigbaby, there are the stories of Huk and Scarlett, Major and iaguz, and so on.
Precisely. The NA scene remains the American scene, the EU scene remains the European scene. The actually good players from North America are there, playing in WCS AM. There are a handful, yet we can all legitimately say that they are strong players. That's why it's really an American competition. The real, legitimate North American players prove their mettle.
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On September 07 2014 05:59 yido wrote:
What are those psychological impulses from? Racism.
no, you're confused. racism is about prejudice and institutional discrimination. you can't call an electrical impulse built on eons of evolution "racist;" that's an absurd misappropriation of the term. it's a fact that it's easier to establish a rapport or friendship with someone who has shared the same experiences as you, and someone from a different culture is able to share less on that level. if i spoke korean and frequented korean social media, i'm sure i would feel the same way about all korean players as i do about those who share my nationality - and indeed, most koreans who migrate and learn english are VERY VERY well received by pro-foreigner hardliners (polt, violet, etc). it's simply an accessibility issue. koreans are not as accessible to me emotionally as americans because of the realities of political and geographical and cultural borders.
On September 07 2014 05:59 yido wrote:How is college sports or minor league have to do with this discussion? How about learning how to punctuate correctly before spitting out garbled response?
because the point is repeatedly being made that it's "bad for the game" to watch or encourage or enjoy games that are of a lower caliber of skill. college and minor league sports are sport competitions of a categorically reduced skill level which millions of people enjoy, and i'm wondering if the same logic applies to them.
as for punctuation: i learned that a long time ago. i also learned a long time ago that if you're not writing an essay it doesn't really matter how you format your text in casual conversation 
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The funny thing is, WCS NA will look like shit and instead of having 8/8 koreans in ro8, we will have 5 chineses guys, Polt who will win every time, Violet and Major.
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On September 07 2014 06:07 Faust852 wrote:
The funny thing is, WCS NA will look like shit and instead of having 8/8 koreans in ro8, we will have 5 chineses guys, Polt who will win every time, Violet and Major.
Don't diss the watermelon zerg. 
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For the people that think this is a good idea, all you need to do is look at the size of LRs for tournaments that are foreigner only or the WCS days that are primarily foreigners compared to strong Koreans. A few months into this system and WCS NA/EU barely breaking 10k viewers optimistically will make it pretty obvious how well this will work.
On September 06 2014 20:07 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 15:10 Darkhorse wrote:On September 06 2014 15:06 dyDrawer wrote:
WCS Reset: I don't think resetting GSL is a good idea. Blizzard should learn its lesson: DON'T TAMPER WITH GSL. It's not broken, don't fix it.
Full region lock: it's a little more extreme than I had thought but I think it's a fair way of going about things.
Of course this might spell disaster for any Korean that's not in KeSPA, but frankly I think I'd rather like to see players who can consistently do well in GSL at Blizzcon. players who can consistently do well in GSL and region lock protected foreigner punching bags at blizzcon If you change the first part to: B-level Koreans who get invited to everything, and rack up obscene amounts of points beating other B-level Koreans and foreigners, you'd have it about right. I have no idea where this delusion that the current WCS system is some kind of pristine meritocracy comes from.
Also this is silly. How did those top tier Kespa protoss fare against Snute? Who was the protoss and only one to take a bo3 off Flash/went 2-3 against him when Zest went 1-4? And that's with them traveling to every tournament under the sun instead of sitting in a Kespa teamhouse practicing 8-14 hours a day. Sure, it was Flash v Zest at the end of the day but pretending it was a S-level stomp versus B-level players is disingenuous at best.
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On September 07 2014 06:08 Heavenlee wrote:
For the people that think this is a good idea, all you need to do is look at the size of LRs for tournaments that are foreigner only or the WCS days that are primarily foreigners compared to strong Koreans. A few months into this system and WCS NA/EU barely breaking 10k viewers optimistically will make it pretty obvious how well this will work.
whether it's a good idea hinges entirely on how blizzard is planning to support the change
if it's literally a policy change with no game plan or logistical support, then yes, it's a horrendously stupid idea. but they could have something up their sleeves to bolster the system, who knows.
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