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On September 07 2014 09:21 Beakyboo wrote:
The poll results on this thread are honestly pretty shocking to me, and I can only think that it's mainly racial reasons that would create these kind of results. I can guarantee you that viewership is going to be way down in 2015 with this system for NA and EU. I can't even name NA players besides Scarlett that I'd enjoy seeing in a finals alone. Imagine what challenger is going to look like... That's going to be absolutely pitiful.
I honestly don't understand everyone who's been pushing for this, and even for all the pros that support it, it's totally illogical. Foreign only tournaments have never garnered a lot of interest, so why would this be any different? Are all these low tier foreigners who've never been able to maintain any sort of consistency suddenly going to be a huge attraction? That's just not going to happen, people just aren't going to care about these tournaments now. Sticking a WCS label on a tournament no one would have otherwise cared about isn't going to fool people for very long.
The polls at the front show people want region locked events. It think it is a reasonable bet that they will also watch it.
Also, SC2 isn't the only game region locking their premier event too avoid B-teamer invasion. You get three guesses and its not dota.
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On September 07 2014 06:07 Faust852 wrote:
The funny thing is, WCS NA will look like shit and instead of having 8/8 koreans in ro8, we will have 5 chineses guys, Polt who will win every time, Violet and Major.
Nah. Ro8 will be:
-Polt
-Violet
-Scarlett
-Major
-a Chinese player or two(XY, Toodming, Jim, Macsed, top, Xigua, iAsonu, Courage)
-another US korean (Select, Balloon, JD, Apoc, someone else who randomly gets a visa) (maybe Revival?)
-maybe a SEA player (petraeus, iaguz, PiG, other SEA players I don't know about) (if they live in SEA, YFW/Wayi koreans?)
-maybe another NA player (Puck, Kane, Huk, qxc, hendralisk, Koma, Illusion, Masa, Petraeus, desrow, Destiny, Bails, Neeb, Guitarcheese, Catz, pretty much any NA GM)
...which would be fine with me.
On September 07 2014 09:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 09:21 Beakyboo wrote:
The poll results on this thread are honestly pretty shocking to me, and I can only think that it's mainly racial reasons that would create these kind of results. I can guarantee you that viewership is going to be way down in 2015 with this system for NA and EU. I can't even name NA players besides Scarlett that I'd enjoy seeing in a finals alone. Imagine what challenger is going to look like... That's going to be absolutely pitiful.
I honestly don't understand everyone who's been pushing for this, and even for all the pros that support it, it's totally illogical. Foreign only tournaments have never garnered a lot of interest, so why would this be any different? Are all these low tier foreigners who've never been able to maintain any sort of consistency suddenly going to be a huge attraction? That's just not going to happen, people just aren't going to care about these tournaments now. Sticking a WCS label on a tournament no one would have otherwise cared about isn't going to fool people for very long. The polls at the front show people want region locked events. It think it is a reasonable bet that they will also watch it. Also, SC2 isn't the only game region locking their premier event too avoid B-teamer invasion. You get three guesses and its not dota.
World of Tanks? CoD? Counterstrike? 
But seriously, Riot also crushed whatever hope there was for an amateur/third party League scene and keep the whole LCS thing going by pumping their infinite money into it and relying on at least 1% of their hundreds of billions of players to watch. Are they really a good example for getting people to watch? 
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On September 07 2014 09:38 klipik12 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 06:07 Faust852 wrote:
The funny thing is, WCS NA will look like shit and instead of having 8/8 koreans in ro8, we will have 5 chineses guys, Polt who will win every time, Violet and Major. Nah. Ro8 will be: -Polt -Violet -Scarlett -Major -a Chinese player or two(XY, Toodming, Jim, Macsed, top, Xigua, iAsonu, Courage) -another US korean (Select, Balloon, JD, Apoc, someone else who randomly gets a visa) (maybe Revival?) -maybe a SEA player (petraeus, iaguz, PiG, other SEA players I don't know about) (if they live in SEA, YFW/Wayi koreans?) -maybe another NA player (Puck, Kane, Huk, qxc, hendralisk, Koma, Illusion, Masa, Petraeus, desrow, Destiny, Bails, Neeb, Guitarcheese, Catz, pretty much any NA GM) ...which would be fine with me.
it'd be almost decent. The last two days of a 3month long tournament.
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Where are the poll results? I only see the polls, not results.
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On September 07 2014 09:42 usethis2 wrote:
Where are the poll results? I only see the polls, not results.
they're set up that you have to vote in order to see the results
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On September 07 2014 09:38 klipik12 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 06:07 Faust852 wrote:
The funny thing is, WCS NA will look like shit and instead of having 8/8 koreans in ro8, we will have 5 chineses guys, Polt who will win every time, Violet and Major. Nah. Ro8 will be: -Polt -Violet -Scarlett -Major -a Chinese player or two(XY, Toodming, Jim, Macsed, top, Xigua, iAsonu, Courage) -another US korean (Select, Balloon, JD, Apoc, someone else who randomly gets a visa) (maybe Revival?) -maybe a SEA player (petraeus, iaguz, PiG, other SEA players I don't know about) (if they live in SEA, YFW/Wayi koreans?) -maybe another NA player (Puck, Kane, Huk, qxc, hendralisk, Koma, Illusion, Masa, Petraeus, desrow, Destiny, Bails, Neeb, Guitarcheese, Catz, pretty much any NA GM) ...which would be fine with me. Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 09:34 Plansix wrote:On September 07 2014 09:21 Beakyboo wrote:
The poll results on this thread are honestly pretty shocking to me, and I can only think that it's mainly racial reasons that would create these kind of results. I can guarantee you that viewership is going to be way down in 2015 with this system for NA and EU. I can't even name NA players besides Scarlett that I'd enjoy seeing in a finals alone. Imagine what challenger is going to look like... That's going to be absolutely pitiful.
I honestly don't understand everyone who's been pushing for this, and even for all the pros that support it, it's totally illogical. Foreign only tournaments have never garnered a lot of interest, so why would this be any different? Are all these low tier foreigners who've never been able to maintain any sort of consistency suddenly going to be a huge attraction? That's just not going to happen, people just aren't going to care about these tournaments now. Sticking a WCS label on a tournament no one would have otherwise cared about isn't going to fool people for very long. The polls at the front show people want region locked events. It think it is a reasonable bet that they will also watch it. Also, SC2 isn't the only game region locking their premier event too avoid B-teamer invasion. You get three guesses and its not dota. World of Tanks? CoD? Counterstrike? But seriously, Riot also crushed whatever hope there was for an amateur/third party League scene and keep the whole LCS thing going by pumping their infinite money into it and relying on at least 1% of their hundreds of billions of players to watch. Are they really a good example for getting people to watch?
They are the most watched thing on Twitch by far and very successful with their pro league. To discount what they are doing or dismiss it because you think they have "unlimited money" would be a poor decision.
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On September 07 2014 09:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 09:21 Beakyboo wrote:
The poll results on this thread are honestly pretty shocking to me, and I can only think that it's mainly racial reasons that would create these kind of results. I can guarantee you that viewership is going to be way down in 2015 with this system for NA and EU. I can't even name NA players besides Scarlett that I'd enjoy seeing in a finals alone. Imagine what challenger is going to look like... That's going to be absolutely pitiful.
I honestly don't understand everyone who's been pushing for this, and even for all the pros that support it, it's totally illogical. Foreign only tournaments have never garnered a lot of interest, so why would this be any different? Are all these low tier foreigners who've never been able to maintain any sort of consistency suddenly going to be a huge attraction? That's just not going to happen, people just aren't going to care about these tournaments now. Sticking a WCS label on a tournament no one would have otherwise cared about isn't going to fool people for very long. The polls at the front show people want region locked events. It think it is a reasonable bet that they will also watch it. Also, SC2 isn't the only game region locking their premier event too avoid B-teamer invasion. You get three guesses and its not dota.
Well there's plenty of reasons people might be voting that way that have nothing to do with whether they're actually going to watch Guitarcheese and Arium duke it out in the new WCS NA "premier". There's the whole philosophy that Koreans are stopping the foreign scene from developing, which makes no sense. There's the people who are probably upset that Asians just kill us at this game and want them out, even if they've never actually cared about foreign only events. Like, hell, China's likely going to just tear up NA now and I don't know what the excuse is then. Then there's the Idra fanatics that automatically think this is a good idea because he does. Who knows? I just can't imagine a scenario where this actually pans out well and NA has viewers in 2015. There's no way in shit that this is suddenly going to make people care about these players.
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On September 07 2014 09:58 Beakyboo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 09:34 Plansix wrote:On September 07 2014 09:21 Beakyboo wrote:
The poll results on this thread are honestly pretty shocking to me, and I can only think that it's mainly racial reasons that would create these kind of results. I can guarantee you that viewership is going to be way down in 2015 with this system for NA and EU. I can't even name NA players besides Scarlett that I'd enjoy seeing in a finals alone. Imagine what challenger is going to look like... That's going to be absolutely pitiful.
I honestly don't understand everyone who's been pushing for this, and even for all the pros that support it, it's totally illogical. Foreign only tournaments have never garnered a lot of interest, so why would this be any different? Are all these low tier foreigners who've never been able to maintain any sort of consistency suddenly going to be a huge attraction? That's just not going to happen, people just aren't going to care about these tournaments now. Sticking a WCS label on a tournament no one would have otherwise cared about isn't going to fool people for very long. The polls at the front show people want region locked events. It think it is a reasonable bet that they will also watch it. Also, SC2 isn't the only game region locking their premier event too avoid B-teamer invasion. You get three guesses and its not dota. Well there's plenty of reasons people might be voting that way that have nothing to do with whether they're actually going to watch Guitarcheese and Arium duke it out in the new WCS NA "premier". There's the whole philosophy that Koreans are stopping the foreign scene from developing, which makes no sense. There's the people who are probably upset that Asians just kill us at this game and want them out, even if they've never actually cared about foreign only events. Like, hell, China's likely going to just tear up NA now and I don't know what the excuse is then. Then there's the Idra fanatics that automatically think this is a good idea because he does. Who knows? I just can't imagine a scenario where this actually pans out well and NA has viewers in 2015. There's no way in shit that this is suddenly going to make people care about these players.
I think I am just going to apply Occam's razor and assume that the reason they clicked yes is because they want to watch it. Of course I am sure people can think of 1000 theories why people clicked yes that isn't that, but the simplest answer is that its what they want to see.
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On September 07 2014 09:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 09:38 klipik12 wrote:On September 07 2014 06:07 Faust852 wrote:
The funny thing is, WCS NA will look like shit and instead of having 8/8 koreans in ro8, we will have 5 chineses guys, Polt who will win every time, Violet and Major. Nah. Ro8 will be: -Polt -Violet -Scarlett -Major -a Chinese player or two(XY, Toodming, Jim, Macsed, top, Xigua, iAsonu, Courage) -another US korean (Select, Balloon, JD, Apoc, someone else who randomly gets a visa) (maybe Revival?) -maybe a SEA player (petraeus, iaguz, PiG, other SEA players I don't know about) (if they live in SEA, YFW/Wayi koreans?) -maybe another NA player (Puck, Kane, Huk, qxc, hendralisk, Koma, Illusion, Masa, Petraeus, desrow, Destiny, Bails, Neeb, Guitarcheese, Catz, pretty much any NA GM) ...which would be fine with me. On September 07 2014 09:34 Plansix wrote:On September 07 2014 09:21 Beakyboo wrote:
The poll results on this thread are honestly pretty shocking to me, and I can only think that it's mainly racial reasons that would create these kind of results. I can guarantee you that viewership is going to be way down in 2015 with this system for NA and EU. I can't even name NA players besides Scarlett that I'd enjoy seeing in a finals alone. Imagine what challenger is going to look like... That's going to be absolutely pitiful.
I honestly don't understand everyone who's been pushing for this, and even for all the pros that support it, it's totally illogical. Foreign only tournaments have never garnered a lot of interest, so why would this be any different? Are all these low tier foreigners who've never been able to maintain any sort of consistency suddenly going to be a huge attraction? That's just not going to happen, people just aren't going to care about these tournaments now. Sticking a WCS label on a tournament no one would have otherwise cared about isn't going to fool people for very long. The polls at the front show people want region locked events. It think it is a reasonable bet that they will also watch it. Also, SC2 isn't the only game region locking their premier event too avoid B-teamer invasion. You get three guesses and its not dota. World of Tanks? CoD? Counterstrike? But seriously, Riot also crushed whatever hope there was for an amateur/third party League scene and keep the whole LCS thing going by pumping their infinite money into it and relying on at least 1% of their hundreds of billions of players to watch. Are they really a good example for getting people to watch? They are the most watched thing on Twitch by far and very successful with their pro league. To discount what they are doing or dismiss it because you think they have "unlimited money" would be a poor decision.
It's not so much the infinite money as the absolutely massive audience. They don't care if they hurt some anonymous Korean's chances of getting recognized since the only way for them to perform is in OGN/NLB through KeSPA, because there are so many others who want those spots just as much and at least one of them will eventually make it. In SCII there aren't always those people driven by playing the game to succeed in the competitive scene, and if not enough people feel like they can stand a chance of getting in the KR scene will slowly erode away from the bottom up.
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On September 07 2014 10:01 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 09:58 Beakyboo wrote:On September 07 2014 09:34 Plansix wrote:On September 07 2014 09:21 Beakyboo wrote:
The poll results on this thread are honestly pretty shocking to me, and I can only think that it's mainly racial reasons that would create these kind of results. I can guarantee you that viewership is going to be way down in 2015 with this system for NA and EU. I can't even name NA players besides Scarlett that I'd enjoy seeing in a finals alone. Imagine what challenger is going to look like... That's going to be absolutely pitiful.
I honestly don't understand everyone who's been pushing for this, and even for all the pros that support it, it's totally illogical. Foreign only tournaments have never garnered a lot of interest, so why would this be any different? Are all these low tier foreigners who've never been able to maintain any sort of consistency suddenly going to be a huge attraction? That's just not going to happen, people just aren't going to care about these tournaments now. Sticking a WCS label on a tournament no one would have otherwise cared about isn't going to fool people for very long. The polls at the front show people want region locked events. It think it is a reasonable bet that they will also watch it. Also, SC2 isn't the only game region locking their premier event too avoid B-teamer invasion. You get three guesses and its not dota. Well there's plenty of reasons people might be voting that way that have nothing to do with whether they're actually going to watch Guitarcheese and Arium duke it out in the new WCS NA "premier". There's the whole philosophy that Koreans are stopping the foreign scene from developing, which makes no sense. There's the people who are probably upset that Asians just kill us at this game and want them out, even if they've never actually cared about foreign only events. Like, hell, China's likely going to just tear up NA now and I don't know what the excuse is then. Then there's the Idra fanatics that automatically think this is a good idea because he does. Who knows? I just can't imagine a scenario where this actually pans out well and NA has viewers in 2015. There's no way in shit that this is suddenly going to make people care about these players. I think I am just going to apply Occam's razor and assume that the reason they clicked yes is because they want to watch it. Of course I am sure people can think of 1000 theories why people clicked yes that isn't that, but the simplest answer is that its what they want to see.
You also have to take into account that even if everyone who voted yes watched, that would only be 3k people watching. Not that everyone who watches WCS reads TL and votes, but you could also make the argument that there's a bias here because the people who want region locking are more likely to see this article, click it, and vote.
btw, I don't want you to get the wrong idea from me, I do actually want region locking (I like watching NA/EU players play each other. Shoutcraft: America and WTB EU were great to watch and I wouldn't mind if premier was like those). It's just that there are a lot of arguments as to why it's a bad thing as well, and they're important to consider.
...or I could have simplified that a lot, and said "I'm playing devil's advocate".
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NICE.
Now I expect MC to play sc2 until he is 55, while having 50 WCS championships under his belt.
Polt to play sc2 until he is 50, while having 45 WCS championships under his belt
Flash and SoO will retire when they are 25, while having 0 WCS championships. Sounds very reasonable.
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On September 07 2014 10:54 cpower wrote:
NICE.
Now I expect MC to play sc2 until he is 55, while having 50 WCS championships under his belt.
Polt to play sc2 until he is 50, while having 45 WCS championships under his belt
Flash and SoO will retire when they are 25, while having 0 WCS championships. Sounds very reasonable.
Well Korean military service will make them retire regardless, because its mandatory.
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On September 07 2014 09:58 Beakyboo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 09:34 Plansix wrote:On September 07 2014 09:21 Beakyboo wrote:
The poll results on this thread are honestly pretty shocking to me, and I can only think that it's mainly racial reasons that would create these kind of results. I can guarantee you that viewership is going to be way down in 2015 with this system for NA and EU. I can't even name NA players besides Scarlett that I'd enjoy seeing in a finals alone. Imagine what challenger is going to look like... That's going to be absolutely pitiful.
I honestly don't understand everyone who's been pushing for this, and even for all the pros that support it, it's totally illogical. Foreign only tournaments have never garnered a lot of interest, so why would this be any different? Are all these low tier foreigners who've never been able to maintain any sort of consistency suddenly going to be a huge attraction? That's just not going to happen, people just aren't going to care about these tournaments now. Sticking a WCS label on a tournament no one would have otherwise cared about isn't going to fool people for very long. The polls at the front show people want region locked events. It think it is a reasonable bet that they will also watch it. Also, SC2 isn't the only game region locking their premier event too avoid B-teamer invasion. You get three guesses and its not dota. Well there's plenty of reasons people might be voting that way that have nothing to do with whether they're actually going to watch Guitarcheese and Arium duke it out in the new WCS NA "premier". There's the whole philosophy that Koreans are stopping the foreign scene from developing, which makes no sense. There's the people who are probably upset that Asians just kill us at this game and want them out, even if they've never actually cared about foreign only events. Like, hell, China's likely going to just tear up NA now and I don't know what the excuse is then. Then there's the Idra fanatics that automatically think this is a good idea because he does. Who knows? I just can't imagine a scenario where this actually pans out well and NA has viewers in 2015. There's no way in !@#$%^&* that this is suddenly going to make people care about these players.
I agree here. Maybe this locked region-thing could have worked 2-4 years ago as it would have created a stable scene for the NA region which could help brand the NA players and improve their quality going forward. However, at this point its just too late. All it does is to benefit medicore foreigners at the expense of korean B-teamers, and overall game quality will be reduced, which I believe will have a small negative effect on viewer numbers.
I think the reason people vote yes here is much more due to them being more exposed to the political propaganda from foreign teams (ROOT) that benefits from such a change. But I don't see this as a win-win situation in anyway, I think its a situaton where one side suffers and another side gains.
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Visa change is good.
Next step is to actually fix the SC2 gameplay design issues..
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On September 07 2014 10:54 cpower wrote:
NICE.
Now I expect MC to play sc2 until he is 55, while having 50 WCS championships under his belt.
Polt to play sc2 until he is 50, while having 45 WCS championships under his belt
Flash and SoO will retire when they are 25, while having 0 WCS championships. Sounds very reasonable.
Playing along with your prediction, without visa restriction, we will have
Some rather good Koreans to win WCS Europe and America
While Flash and SoO will retire when they are 25, while having 0 WCS championships ---> this is because they're not good enough anyway to win GSL? (I disagree btw)
Not much difference imo.
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On September 07 2014 11:08 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 09:58 Beakyboo wrote:On September 07 2014 09:34 Plansix wrote:On September 07 2014 09:21 Beakyboo wrote:
The poll results on this thread are honestly pretty shocking to me, and I can only think that it's mainly racial reasons that would create these kind of results. I can guarantee you that viewership is going to be way down in 2015 with this system for NA and EU. I can't even name NA players besides Scarlett that I'd enjoy seeing in a finals alone. Imagine what challenger is going to look like... That's going to be absolutely pitiful.
I honestly don't understand everyone who's been pushing for this, and even for all the pros that support it, it's totally illogical. Foreign only tournaments have never garnered a lot of interest, so why would this be any different? Are all these low tier foreigners who've never been able to maintain any sort of consistency suddenly going to be a huge attraction? That's just not going to happen, people just aren't going to care about these tournaments now. Sticking a WCS label on a tournament no one would have otherwise cared about isn't going to fool people for very long. The polls at the front show people want region locked events. It think it is a reasonable bet that they will also watch it. Also, SC2 isn't the only game region locking their premier event too avoid B-teamer invasion. You get three guesses and its not dota. Well there's plenty of reasons people might be voting that way that have nothing to do with whether they're actually going to watch Guitarcheese and Arium duke it out in the new WCS NA "premier". There's the whole philosophy that Koreans are stopping the foreign scene from developing, which makes no sense. There's the people who are probably upset that Asians just kill us at this game and want them out, even if they've never actually cared about foreign only events. Like, hell, China's likely going to just tear up NA now and I don't know what the excuse is then. Then there's the Idra fanatics that automatically think this is a good idea because he does. Who knows? I just can't imagine a scenario where this actually pans out well and NA has viewers in 2015. There's no way in !@#$%^&* that this is suddenly going to make people care about these players. I agree here. Maybe this locked region-thing could have worked 2-4 years ago as it would have created a stable scene for the NA region which could help brand the NA players and improve their quality going forward. However, at this point its just too late. All it does is to benefit medicore foreigners at the expense of korean B-teamers, and overall game quality will be reduced, which I believe will have a small negative effect on viewer numbers. I think the reason people vote yes here is much more due to them being more exposed to the political propaganda from foreign teams (ROOT) that benefits from such a change. But I don't see this as a win-win situation in anyway, I think its a situaton where one side suffers and another side gains.
People voted yes due to "political propaganda", lol. Brain washing now part of Esports.
This thread is gold.
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On September 07 2014 11:08 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 09:58 Beakyboo wrote:On September 07 2014 09:34 Plansix wrote:On September 07 2014 09:21 Beakyboo wrote:
The poll results on this thread are honestly pretty shocking to me, and I can only think that it's mainly racial reasons that would create these kind of results. I can guarantee you that viewership is going to be way down in 2015 with this system for NA and EU. I can't even name NA players besides Scarlett that I'd enjoy seeing in a finals alone. Imagine what challenger is going to look like... That's going to be absolutely pitiful.
I honestly don't understand everyone who's been pushing for this, and even for all the pros that support it, it's totally illogical. Foreign only tournaments have never garnered a lot of interest, so why would this be any different? Are all these low tier foreigners who've never been able to maintain any sort of consistency suddenly going to be a huge attraction? That's just not going to happen, people just aren't going to care about these tournaments now. Sticking a WCS label on a tournament no one would have otherwise cared about isn't going to fool people for very long. The polls at the front show people want region locked events. It think it is a reasonable bet that they will also watch it. Also, SC2 isn't the only game region locking their premier event too avoid B-teamer invasion. You get three guesses and its not dota. Well there's plenty of reasons people might be voting that way that have nothing to do with whether they're actually going to watch Guitarcheese and Arium duke it out in the new WCS NA "premier". There's the whole philosophy that Koreans are stopping the foreign scene from developing, which makes no sense. There's the people who are probably upset that Asians just kill us at this game and want them out, even if they've never actually cared about foreign only events. Like, hell, China's likely going to just tear up NA now and I don't know what the excuse is then. Then there's the Idra fanatics that automatically think this is a good idea because he does. Who knows? I just can't imagine a scenario where this actually pans out well and NA has viewers in 2015. There's no way in !@#$%^&* that this is suddenly going to make people care about these players. I agree here. Maybe this locked region-thing could have worked 2-4 years ago as it would have created a stable scene for the NA region which could help brand the NA players and improve their quality going forward. However, at this point its just too late. All it does is to benefit medicore foreigners at the expense of korean B-teamers, and overall game quality will be reduced, which I believe will have a small negative effect on viewer numbers. I think the reason people vote yes here is much more due to them being more exposed to the political propaganda from foreign teams (ROOT) that benefits from such a change. But I don't see this as a win-win situation in anyway, I think its a situaton where one side suffers and another side gains.
This is much more the sentiment I had at the back of my mind but maybe failed to articulate so well. We've made all these excuses for the foreign scene, we've been fed tons of them by prominent community figures. The blame is always something to do with Koreans being here in some way or another, and what better solution than to just kick them all out?
People are voting this way because they have an objective in mind and they think this is the solution. The connection isn't so direct as "Koreans out >> I will now watch". Probably people on this site in the first place are watching anyways. I'm guessing that things aren't going to unfold as people expect. The NA scene isn't going to suddenly blossom. We've already got established players, and now we're removing them all from WCS NA. People aren't going to care about the new players this inserts because... they're bad. Then the few Koreans who can maintain a Visa get free reign over a whole region. Where is the positive in this?
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So this is basically meant to stop Koreans from pocketing EZ money without any major trade offs, am I right? The trade offs being rent/living expenses and commitments on top of the VISA requirements and being away from home?
There will be an expected saturation of talent in KR region now, so how will this be addressed? Bigger prize pool or more competitions within Korea? More Blizzcon seeds from KR region?
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On September 07 2014 11:39 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 11:08 Hider wrote:On September 07 2014 09:58 Beakyboo wrote:On September 07 2014 09:34 Plansix wrote:On September 07 2014 09:21 Beakyboo wrote:
The poll results on this thread are honestly pretty shocking to me, and I can only think that it's mainly racial reasons that would create these kind of results. I can guarantee you that viewership is going to be way down in 2015 with this system for NA and EU. I can't even name NA players besides Scarlett that I'd enjoy seeing in a finals alone. Imagine what challenger is going to look like... That's going to be absolutely pitiful.
I honestly don't understand everyone who's been pushing for this, and even for all the pros that support it, it's totally illogical. Foreign only tournaments have never garnered a lot of interest, so why would this be any different? Are all these low tier foreigners who've never been able to maintain any sort of consistency suddenly going to be a huge attraction? That's just not going to happen, people just aren't going to care about these tournaments now. Sticking a WCS label on a tournament no one would have otherwise cared about isn't going to fool people for very long. The polls at the front show people want region locked events. It think it is a reasonable bet that they will also watch it. Also, SC2 isn't the only game region locking their premier event too avoid B-teamer invasion. You get three guesses and its not dota. Well there's plenty of reasons people might be voting that way that have nothing to do with whether they're actually going to watch Guitarcheese and Arium duke it out in the new WCS NA "premier". There's the whole philosophy that Koreans are stopping the foreign scene from developing, which makes no sense. There's the people who are probably upset that Asians just kill us at this game and want them out, even if they've never actually cared about foreign only events. Like, hell, China's likely going to just tear up NA now and I don't know what the excuse is then. Then there's the Idra fanatics that automatically think this is a good idea because he does. Who knows? I just can't imagine a scenario where this actually pans out well and NA has viewers in 2015. There's no way in !@#$%^&* that this is suddenly going to make people care about these players. I agree here. Maybe this locked region-thing could have worked 2-4 years ago as it would have created a stable scene for the NA region which could help brand the NA players and improve their quality going forward. However, at this point its just too late. All it does is to benefit medicore foreigners at the expense of korean B-teamers, and overall game quality will be reduced, which I believe will have a small negative effect on viewer numbers. I think the reason people vote yes here is much more due to them being more exposed to the political propaganda from foreign teams (ROOT) that benefits from such a change. But I don't see this as a win-win situation in anyway, I think its a situaton where one side suffers and another side gains. People voted yes due to "political propaganda", lol. Brain washing now part of Esports. This thread is gold.
Is this really that baffling to you? People eat up what they're fed by community figures they admire. It's not necessarily brainwashing as it is people being sheep. You make this sound like it's far more absurd than it is... This sort of thing is 100% a reality.
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On September 07 2014 12:12 Beakyboo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 11:39 Plansix wrote:On September 07 2014 11:08 Hider wrote:On September 07 2014 09:58 Beakyboo wrote:On September 07 2014 09:34 Plansix wrote:On September 07 2014 09:21 Beakyboo wrote:
The poll results on this thread are honestly pretty shocking to me, and I can only think that it's mainly racial reasons that would create these kind of results. I can guarantee you that viewership is going to be way down in 2015 with this system for NA and EU. I can't even name NA players besides Scarlett that I'd enjoy seeing in a finals alone. Imagine what challenger is going to look like... That's going to be absolutely pitiful.
I honestly don't understand everyone who's been pushing for this, and even for all the pros that support it, it's totally illogical. Foreign only tournaments have never garnered a lot of interest, so why would this be any different? Are all these low tier foreigners who've never been able to maintain any sort of consistency suddenly going to be a huge attraction? That's just not going to happen, people just aren't going to care about these tournaments now. Sticking a WCS label on a tournament no one would have otherwise cared about isn't going to fool people for very long. The polls at the front show people want region locked events. It think it is a reasonable bet that they will also watch it. Also, SC2 isn't the only game region locking their premier event too avoid B-teamer invasion. You get three guesses and its not dota. Well there's plenty of reasons people might be voting that way that have nothing to do with whether they're actually going to watch Guitarcheese and Arium duke it out in the new WCS NA "premier". There's the whole philosophy that Koreans are stopping the foreign scene from developing, which makes no sense. There's the people who are probably upset that Asians just kill us at this game and want them out, even if they've never actually cared about foreign only events. Like, hell, China's likely going to just tear up NA now and I don't know what the excuse is then. Then there's the Idra fanatics that automatically think this is a good idea because he does. Who knows? I just can't imagine a scenario where this actually pans out well and NA has viewers in 2015. There's no way in !@#$%^&* that this is suddenly going to make people care about these players. I agree here. Maybe this locked region-thing could have worked 2-4 years ago as it would have created a stable scene for the NA region which could help brand the NA players and improve their quality going forward. However, at this point its just too late. All it does is to benefit medicore foreigners at the expense of korean B-teamers, and overall game quality will be reduced, which I believe will have a small negative effect on viewer numbers. I think the reason people vote yes here is much more due to them being more exposed to the political propaganda from foreign teams (ROOT) that benefits from such a change. But I don't see this as a win-win situation in anyway, I think its a situaton where one side suffers and another side gains. People voted yes due to "political propaganda", lol. Brain washing now part of Esports. This thread is gold. Is this really that baffling to you? People eat up what they're fed by community figures they admire. It's not necessarily brainwashing as it is people being sheep. You make this sound like it's far more absurd than it is... This sort of thing is 100% a reality.
I guess if your that cynical or willing to believe to back up your view on the situation. I guess everyone just does as their told, except for you and the people that agree with you, because you have figured it out.
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