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WCS AM will continue to include LatAm, Oceania/SEA, CN, and TW/HK/Macau, you can all stop freaking out about it.
Motlu
Profile Joined August 2014
Australia884 Posts
September 05 2014 03:08 GMT
#301
On September 05 2014 12:07 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 12:06 LimeNade wrote:
On September 05 2014 10:07 Musicus wrote:
Release the Gracken!!!



Come back story of the year here we go

Polt seeker missiles another one of his broodlords and he GG's into second retirement.


Except without the GG
-
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
September 05 2014 03:08 GMT
#302
On September 05 2014 12:07 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 12:06 LimeNade wrote:
On September 05 2014 10:07 Musicus wrote:
Release the Gracken!!!

https://twitter.com/idra/status/507694081171275777


Come back story of the year here we go

Polt seeker missiles another one of his broodlords and he GG's into second retirement.


or polt just uses marines O_O lol
JD, need I say more? :D
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12320 Posts
September 05 2014 03:08 GMT
#303
On September 05 2014 12:01 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 11:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On September 05 2014 11:43 Averse wrote:
This is a pretty big 'fuck you' to the korean players playing overseas. I feel bad for the players that will retire because of this. Granted, the system should have been region locked from the start, but changing this now is giving the middle finger to the players that have gone through the trouble of traveling and trying to get settled in NA and EU. Even if making the system open at the start was a mistake, it should be left alone at this point. Hopefully there are more changes that haven't been announced that will help the koreans, like increasing the size and payouts of GSL to make that region more survivable for the effort it takes to compete.

It's kind of laughable how badly the best players are treated by the system.

I like the foreign scene as much as the next guy but yeah this really screwed a lot of the best players. People who can't travel and live overseas will retire because they can't make money in a crowded GSL and a lot of Kespa kids will retire as well.

Calm down I count like only a dozen who will be forced to return to KR


A dozen? Without even starting to think about it I'm at like 20
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
September 05 2014 03:09 GMT
#304
Absolutely wonderful. This doesn't really change WCS EU in any way as 31/32 (maybe 30) live there anyway. This should do wonders for the scenes WCS AM were actually made for, and will increase the quality of the code A qualifiers and GSL itself.

Seems like Blizzard is doing everything right
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 05 2014 03:09 GMT
#305
On September 05 2014 12:06 LimeNade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 10:07 Musicus wrote:
Release the Gracken!!!

https://twitter.com/idra/status/507694081171275777


Come back story of the year here we go


Idra boots up sc2 to play wcs na qualifiers. This is the first time he's played sc2 since the dya Polt trashed him. He is ready, willing to give sc2 another chance.

Then he sees his first opponents.

Its cruncher.

Rage quits.
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JazzJackrabbit
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1272 Posts
September 05 2014 03:09 GMT
#306
Does anyone else think the 2012 format was the best? I know Blizzard has said it was never their intention to make WCS some Olympic style tournament but I personally loved it.
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
September 05 2014 03:09 GMT
#307
On September 05 2014 12:06 LimeNade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 10:07 Musicus wrote:
Release the Gracken!!!

https://twitter.com/idra/status/507694081171275777


Come back story of the year here we go


Palms are sweaty
Knees weak, arms are heavy
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-05 03:13:08
September 05 2014 03:10 GMT
#308
On September 05 2014 12:02 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 12:01 Arceus wrote:
On September 05 2014 11:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On September 05 2014 11:43 Averse wrote:
This is a pretty big 'fuck you' to the korean players playing overseas. I feel bad for the players that will retire because of this. Granted, the system should have been region locked from the start, but changing this now is giving the middle finger to the players that have gone through the trouble of traveling and trying to get settled in NA and EU. Even if making the system open at the start was a mistake, it should be left alone at this point. Hopefully there are more changes that haven't been announced that will help the koreans, like increasing the size and payouts of GSL to make that region more survivable for the effort it takes to compete.

It's kind of laughable how badly the best players are treated by the system.

I like the foreign scene as much as the next guy but yeah this really screwed a lot of the best players. People who can't travel and live overseas will retire because they can't make money in a crowded GSL and a lot of Kespa kids will retire as well.

Calm down I count like only a dozen who will be forced to return to KR and maybe only one-third of them could keep up with the local competition. At least no KeSPA kids will retire, and possibly weaker teams may have some power boost
I actually like this since that dozen of players wont be able to farm easy money/points while their superior fellow compatriots struggle


Ah yes, Koreans who can't keep up with the competition are expected to disappear. Foreigners on the other hand, something must be done for them.

No they are expected to try their hardest on their home soil and win that $70K 1st place. And no one prevents them from playing 25 IEM/DH/[insert random foreign tourney] each year.

Im happy as far as the KR scene is not harmed by this (in this case, probably improved)
And you can see all those tweets about how happy those foreigners are now that Korean bullies are booted. Fuck competitiveness, they are laughing straight to the bank with this. Win-Win situation really.
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
September 05 2014 03:11 GMT
#309
Polt must be so happy right now.

I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though.
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Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
September 05 2014 03:12 GMT
#310
On September 05 2014 12:05 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 11:49 Exarl25 wrote:
On September 05 2014 11:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On September 05 2014 11:43 Averse wrote:
This is a pretty big 'fuck you' to the korean players playing overseas. I feel bad for the players that will retire because of this. Granted, e system should have been region locked from the start, but changing this now is giving the middle finger to the players that have gone through the trouble of traveling and trying to get settled in NA and EU. Even if making the system open at the start was a mistake, it should be left alone at this point. Hopefully there are more changes that haven't been announced that will help the koreans, like increasing the size and payouts of GSL to make that region more survivable for the effort it takes to compete.

It's kind of laughable how badly the best players are treated by the system.

I like the foreign scene as much as the next guy but yeah this really screwed a lot of the best players. People who can't travel and live overseas will retire because they can't make money in a crowded GSL and a lot of Kespa kids will retire as well.


Some of the foreigners who have it made are so fucking entitled. There are Koreans who work far harder, and have far more skill, but see far less success and have way less fans, team support and opportunities, yet foreigners will still act like it is they who are hard done by and should be given easier competition.


This is the improper assumption. Skill isnn't determined by nationality, and hard work is both made possible and made more valuable by the fact that the Korean competitive infrastructure started light-years ahead of the rest of the world, as characterized by the fact that the GLOBAL StarCraft League was "show up here in Korea to attempt to qualify", and the rest of the world has to uproot their lives to try and turn their talent into actual success. As Catz once put it. "In Korea you can eat and breathe SC2. Try to eat and breathe SC2 in America and watch how fast you starve." I want people who are talented and dedicated enough to try to eat and breathe SC2 wherever they might live, and let only their actual abilities, honed by dedicated practice, determine who wins. Is it possible? Not entirely, but I'd rather come as close as possible to it than simply abandon it and let one country stomp all over everyone.


Enough time has passed that this no longer holds weight. All of this shit has been repeated over and over. SC2 has been bigger internationally than it has been in Korea. Many, many foreign team houses have been set up and all have failed miserably. Koreans have left the environment and continued to prosper. Scarlett originally reached Korean killing level by laddering as a complete unknown on a laptop that could barely run the game. CatZ and his fucking Root house, what good has it done? Outside of very few exceptions the players themselves have not stepped up to the challenge, and if they haven't by now then they never will. They just don't have what it takes.
Random_0
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1163 Posts
September 05 2014 03:13 GMT
#311
I think this could be good for the competitive gaming scene in the long term.

In the short-term, though, this hurts a lot of people. Off the top of my head, the parties who are going to feel worst about this are:

1) Koreans competing overseas who can't get a foreign visa, don't want to live overseas long-term. These guys are top guys when they play in WCS America and WCS Europe, but I don't think will hack it in the GSL. Guys like Patience, Stardust, and MMA in Europe. Guys like Pigbaby, Jaedong, and Hero in WCS America.

2) Koreans who have fought their way into the GSL Ro8 and gave a big sigh of relief because they will definitely be in Code S next year. Wait! You have to re-qualify from scratch. Now admittedly all the guys who make GSL Ro8 are MONSTERS anyways, but upsets do happen, especially in Code A and Code B. Guys who might not make it back are Innovation and Stats. Maybe even Rain, who doesn't seem to be all that hot in qualifiers.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
September 05 2014 03:14 GMT
#312
On September 05 2014 12:08 illidanx wrote:
I would love to see the foreign Koreans come back to Korea and got crushed by Kespaaaaaaaaaaaaa.


and the next season it will be 40/40 again like it always has been x.x
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-05 03:18:09
September 05 2014 03:15 GMT
#313
On September 05 2014 12:09 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Absolutely wonderful. This doesn't really change WCS EU in any way as 31/32 (maybe 30) live there anyway. This should do wonders for the scenes WCS AM were actually made for, and will increase the quality of the code A qualifiers and GSL itself.

Seems like Blizzard is doing everything right


"Increase the quality".
Code A ain't supposed to be sOs-soO and Rain-Flash every game but we're on our way it seems.

On September 05 2014 12:10 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 12:02 Exarl25 wrote:
On September 05 2014 12:01 Arceus wrote:
On September 05 2014 11:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On September 05 2014 11:43 Averse wrote:
This is a pretty big 'fuck you' to the korean players playing overseas. I feel bad for the players that will retire because of this. Granted, the system should have been region locked from the start, but changing this now is giving the middle finger to the players that have gone through the trouble of traveling and trying to get settled in NA and EU. Even if making the system open at the start was a mistake, it should be left alone at this point. Hopefully there are more changes that haven't been announced that will help the koreans, like increasing the size and payouts of GSL to make that region more survivable for the effort it takes to compete.

It's kind of laughable how badly the best players are treated by the system.

I like the foreign scene as much as the next guy but yeah this really screwed a lot of the best players. People who can't travel and live overseas will retire because they can't make money in a crowded GSL and a lot of Kespa kids will retire as well.

Calm down I count like only a dozen who will be forced to return to KR and maybe only one-third of them could keep up with the local competition. At least no KeSPA kids will retire, and possibly weaker teams may have some power boost
I actually like this since that dozen of players wont be able to farm easy money/points while their superior fellow compatriots struggle


Ah yes, Koreans who can't keep up with the competition are expected to disappear. Foreigners on the other hand, something must be done for them.

No they are expected to try their hardest on their home soil and win that $70K 1st place. And no one prevents them from playing 25 IEM/DH/[insert random foreign tourney] each year.

Im happy as far as the KR scene is not harmed by this (in this case, probably improved)
And you can see all those tweets about how happy those foreigners are now that Korean bullies are booted. Fuck competitiveness, they are laughing straight to the bank with this. Win-Win situation really.


Ofc foreigners are happy, rofl, free moneys inc.

I can't imagine NaNiwa or Idra going like "Oh, those bitches are leaving our region, now we can compete with each other and Polt, sick".

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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-05 03:16:49
September 05 2014 03:15 GMT
#314
On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.

I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though.


WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 or maybe even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12320 Posts
September 05 2014 03:16 GMT
#315
I think this system will get criticized once KingKong wins a WCS.
No will to live, no wish to die
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
September 05 2014 03:16 GMT
#316
just make Polt face Major in the qualifiers

Major is 6-0 vs Polt recently

and if Polt gets past major in the qualifiers, set up the tournament so he will have to face Major again during the Ro32/16
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
940 Posts
September 05 2014 03:18 GMT
#317
It would be hilarious to see a LR with people cursing MC for going full cheddar on a Maru or other fave player.
:3
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
September 05 2014 03:19 GMT
#318
On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.

I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though.


WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be.

But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana!
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jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
September 05 2014 03:19 GMT
#319
On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.

I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though.


WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 or maybe even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be.

Yeah, unfortunately I think it will really hurt WCS AM viewership as if this goes through I would watch a lot less and then watch more GSL vods.
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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
September 05 2014 03:20 GMT
#320
This just means I'll have zero interest in watching wcs NA and eu now. I have zero interest in watching the desrow and avilos of the world competing for big money and a wcs title. Only gsl and international tournaments with Koreans in them for me next year.
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