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On September 05 2014 12:30 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.
I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though. WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be. But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana! Ya, american players are so much more interesting just because they have white skin! For the love of God, not this strawman again. If skin tone was a factor in supporting foreigners, explain Suppy. Or Masa. Or Catz. Or Hendralisk. Or Illusion. Obviously, since they're not white, nobody wants them to win anything, right? This argument needs to disappear, because it's so blatantly and obviously flawed, and it makes everyone look bad. There is NO racial component for people liking the idea of players being able to succeed without being Korean.
Just ignore it, your going to see this argument a lot with other terms like welfare and charity. Just let it work it's way out.
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On September 05 2014 12:09 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Absolutely wonderful. This doesn't really change WCS EU in any way as 31/32 (maybe 30) live there anyway. This should do wonders for the scenes WCS AM were actually made for, and will increase the quality of the code A qualifiers and GSL itself.
Seems like Blizzard is doing everything right
Except for the part where ... uhhh you know: skill level in WCS AM bombs compared to the past?
But yes, lets give foreigners higher finishes by eliminating competition.
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your Country52798 Posts
On September 05 2014 12:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:30 Circumstance wrote:On September 05 2014 12:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.
I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though. WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be. But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana! Ya, american players are so much more interesting just because they have white skin! For the love of God, not this strawman again. If skin tone was a factor in supporting foreigners, explain Suppy. Or Masa. Or Catz. Or Hendralisk. Or Illusion. Obviously, since they're not white, nobody wants them to win anything, right? This argument needs to disappear, because it's so blatantly and obviously flawed, and it makes everyone look bad. There is NO racial component for people liking the idea of players being able to succeed without being Korean. I don't think it's so much as a skin color issue as it's a "well they're Korean so like goddamn get out of NA competition". I think that's more of the point that he's trying to make, it's not a skin color thing for those people in my opinion. Of course those people sound xenophobic and stupid but whatever.
It's the fact that they are playing and eliminating non-koreans from the RO32 of premier and challenger, which is online. If Blizzard made it so that you have to be in the country to play WCS, then you have to move over to the NA server and play there a lot earlier than before. Better practice.
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On September 05 2014 12:30 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.
I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though. WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be. But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana! Ya, american players are so much more interesting just because they have white skin! For the love of God, not this strawman again. If skin tone was a factor in supporting foreigners, explain Suppy. Or Masa. Or Catz. Or Hendralisk. Or Illusion. Obviously, since they're not white, nobody wants them to win anything, right? This argument needs to disappear, because it's so blatantly and obviously flawed, and it makes everyone look bad. There is NO racial component for people liking the idea of players being able to succeed without being Korean.
But there is actually a racial component, locking out Koreans (a race of people) just because they have the strictest regiment and the history / pedigree. There's an existing inequality between non-korean vs korean performance in NA and EU, and this is the answer, it's absolutely race based, if not nation / political bloq based (and let's not get into that shit).
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On September 05 2014 12:30 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:30 ssxsilver wrote:On September 05 2014 12:29 Caihead wrote:
So how does this work for Taiwan / China / HK exactly? Yea you are still running the qualifiers for it, would the residency requirement screw any of them over? They get a pass. Yhamm linked a tweet in the OP. It says same qualifiers, doesn't say anything about whether or not the same visa situations will continue. If it means sports visa or green card only you just fucked over alot of people.
The residency requirements "requires all WCS players must be legal residents of the region they choose to play in" and the supported regions are the ones in the tweet. At least that's how I read it. I'm sure if those regions get cut off Kim Phan would explicitly say it.
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your Country52798 Posts
On September 05 2014 12:35 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:30 Circumstance wrote:On September 05 2014 12:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.
I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though. WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be. But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana! Ya, american players are so much more interesting just because they have white skin! For the love of God, not this strawman again. If skin tone was a factor in supporting foreigners, explain Suppy. Or Masa. Or Catz. Or Hendralisk. Or Illusion. Obviously, since they're not white, nobody wants them to win anything, right? This argument needs to disappear, because it's so blatantly and obviously flawed, and it makes everyone look bad. There is NO racial component for people liking the idea of players being able to succeed without being Korean. But there is actually a racial component, locking out Koreans (a race of people) just because they have the strictest regiment and the history / pedigree. There's an existing inequality between non-korean vs korean performance in NA and EU, and this is the answer, it's absolutely race based, if not nation / political bloq based (and let's not get into that shit).
It's based on location not race. You can move over to America but it's still difficult for anyone in Asia/Europe. Everyone except Korea seems to be getting a free pass though, which doesn't make sense.
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On September 05 2014 12:35 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:30 Circumstance wrote:On September 05 2014 12:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.
I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though. WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be. But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana! Ya, american players are so much more interesting just because they have white skin! For the love of God, not this strawman again. If skin tone was a factor in supporting foreigners, explain Suppy. Or Masa. Or Catz. Or Hendralisk. Or Illusion. Obviously, since they're not white, nobody wants them to win anything, right? This argument needs to disappear, because it's so blatantly and obviously flawed, and it makes everyone look bad. There is NO racial component for people liking the idea of players being able to succeed without being Korean. But there is actually a racial component, locking out Koreans (a race of people) just because they have the strictest regiment and the history / pedigree. There's an existing inequality between non-korean vs korean performance in NA and EU, and this is the answer, it's absolutely race based, if not nation / political bloq based (and let's not get into that shit).
Except EU will be filled with Koreans because they already live there, but let's just ignore that fact and go with the racism argument because it's easier.
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On September 05 2014 12:35 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:30 Caihead wrote:On September 05 2014 12:30 ssxsilver wrote:On September 05 2014 12:29 Caihead wrote:
So how does this work for Taiwan / China / HK exactly? Yea you are still running the qualifiers for it, would the residency requirement screw any of them over? They get a pass. Yhamm linked a tweet in the OP. It says same qualifiers, doesn't say anything about whether or not the same visa situations will continue. If it means sports visa or green card only you just fucked over alot of people. The residency requirements "requires all WCS players must be legal residents of the region they choose to play in" and the supported regions are the ones in the tweet. At least that's how I read it. I'm sure if those regions get cut off Kim Pham would explicitly say it.
That only means that if you are going to a qualifier for WCS AM you have to be a legal resident of the AM region, else the region lock doesn't work. Why doesn't a Korean just go to the Taiwan or China or Latin America qualifiers for AM then? Those visas are alot easier to get than an American one.
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On September 05 2014 12:35 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:30 Circumstance wrote:On September 05 2014 12:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.
I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though. WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be. But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana! Ya, american players are so much more interesting just because they have white skin! For the love of God, not this strawman again. If skin tone was a factor in supporting foreigners, explain Suppy. Or Masa. Or Catz. Or Hendralisk. Or Illusion. Obviously, since they're not white, nobody wants them to win anything, right? This argument needs to disappear, because it's so blatantly and obviously flawed, and it makes everyone look bad. There is NO racial component for people liking the idea of players being able to succeed without being Korean. But there is actually a racial component, locking out Koreans (a race of people) just because they have the strictest regiment and the history / pedigree. There's an existing inequality between non-korean vs korean performance in NA and EU, and this is the answer, it's absolutely race based, if not nation / political bloq based (and let's not get into that shit).
That's not actually true, as the korean people who have visas aren't kicked out, it's about nationality and not race.
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On September 05 2014 12:30 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.
I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though. WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be. But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana! Ya, american players are so much more interesting just because they have white skin! For the love of God, not this strawman again. If skin tone was a factor in supporting foreigners, explain Suppy. Or Masa. Or Catz. Or Hendralisk. Or Illusion. Obviously, since they're not white, nobody wants them to win anything, right? This argument needs to disappear, because it's so blatantly and obviously flawed, and it makes everyone look bad. There is NO racial component for people liking the idea of players being able to succeed without being Korean.
Sacrasm aside, let's not pretend the little flag beside those players name doesn't make a huge difference in how people see them. It isn't actually racial but it is nationalistic for sure.
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On September 05 2014 12:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:35 Caihead wrote:On September 05 2014 12:30 Circumstance wrote:On September 05 2014 12:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.
I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though. WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be. But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana! Ya, american players are so much more interesting just because they have white skin! For the love of God, not this strawman again. If skin tone was a factor in supporting foreigners, explain Suppy. Or Masa. Or Catz. Or Hendralisk. Or Illusion. Obviously, since they're not white, nobody wants them to win anything, right? This argument needs to disappear, because it's so blatantly and obviously flawed, and it makes everyone look bad. There is NO racial component for people liking the idea of players being able to succeed without being Korean. But there is actually a racial component, locking out Koreans (a race of people) just because they have the strictest regiment and the history / pedigree. There's an existing inequality between non-korean vs korean performance in NA and EU, and this is the answer, it's absolutely race based, if not nation / political bloq based (and let's not get into that shit). Except EU will be filled with Koreans because they already live there, but let's just ignore that fact and go with the racism argument because it's easier.
Hey, I'm not even talking on behalf of the Koreans here, I'm worried about the Chinese community that's been fucked over time and time again. Region lock is restricting people of specific geopolitical locations to play in their own community, and there is an established inequality present, I'm not saying it's racist against Koreans, I'm saying that the consequences are that specific races of people who reside as a majority in some regions get the short end.
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On September 05 2014 12:39 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:35 Caihead wrote:On September 05 2014 12:30 Circumstance wrote:On September 05 2014 12:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.
I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though. WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be. But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana! Ya, american players are so much more interesting just because they have white skin! For the love of God, not this strawman again. If skin tone was a factor in supporting foreigners, explain Suppy. Or Masa. Or Catz. Or Hendralisk. Or Illusion. Obviously, since they're not white, nobody wants them to win anything, right? This argument needs to disappear, because it's so blatantly and obviously flawed, and it makes everyone look bad. There is NO racial component for people liking the idea of players being able to succeed without being Korean. But there is actually a racial component, locking out Koreans (a race of people) just because they have the strictest regiment and the history / pedigree. There's an existing inequality between non-korean vs korean performance in NA and EU, and this is the answer, it's absolutely race based, if not nation / political bloq based (and let's not get into that shit). That's not actually true, as the korean people who have visas aren't kicked out, it's about nationality and not race.
How about future ones? Say you are a rookie from China or Korea and you make an amazing qualifier run, win it, but get rejected because you don't have a team supporting you getting a visa? As far as I understand, people use the fact that they are accepted into a sports tournament or league as evidence or proof to get a sports visa, if the tournament is saying no you can't get in because you don't have a visa in the first place, then you can't apply.
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your Country52798 Posts
On September 05 2014 12:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:30 Circumstance wrote:On September 05 2014 12:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.
I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though. WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be. But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana! Ya, american players are so much more interesting just because they have white skin! For the love of God, not this strawman again. If skin tone was a factor in supporting foreigners, explain Suppy. Or Masa. Or Catz. Or Hendralisk. Or Illusion. Obviously, since they're not white, nobody wants them to win anything, right? This argument needs to disappear, because it's so blatantly and obviously flawed, and it makes everyone look bad. There is NO racial component for people liking the idea of players being able to succeed without being Korean. Sacrasm aside, let's not pretend the little flag beside those players name doesn't make a huge difference in how people see them. It isn't actually racial but it is nationalistic for sure.
Agreed with this. It's why we have people like Polt hailed as American heroes, as well as the personalities a lot of the koreans bold enough to move over usually show.
I wonder which WCS TRUE will go for next year. Thinking probably still KR.
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On September 05 2014 12:41 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:38 Plansix wrote:On September 05 2014 12:35 Caihead wrote:On September 05 2014 12:30 Circumstance wrote:On September 05 2014 12:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.
I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though. WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be. But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana! Ya, american players are so much more interesting just because they have white skin! For the love of God, not this strawman again. If skin tone was a factor in supporting foreigners, explain Suppy. Or Masa. Or Catz. Or Hendralisk. Or Illusion. Obviously, since they're not white, nobody wants them to win anything, right? This argument needs to disappear, because it's so blatantly and obviously flawed, and it makes everyone look bad. There is NO racial component for people liking the idea of players being able to succeed without being Korean. But there is actually a racial component, locking out Koreans (a race of people) just because they have the strictest regiment and the history / pedigree. There's an existing inequality between non-korean vs korean performance in NA and EU, and this is the answer, it's absolutely race based, if not nation / political bloq based (and let's not get into that shit). Except EU will be filled with Koreans because they already live there, but let's just ignore that fact and go with the racism argument because it's easier. Hey, I'm not even talking on behalf of the Koreans here, I'm worried about the Chinese community that's been fucked over time and time again. Region lock is restricting people of specific geopolitical locations to play in their own community, and there is an established inequality present, I'm not saying it's racist against Koreans, I'm saying that the consequences are that specific races of people who reside as a majority in some regions get the short end.
No formate is going to be perfect for everyone in the world.
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On September 05 2014 12:42 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:39 Nebuchad wrote:On September 05 2014 12:35 Caihead wrote:On September 05 2014 12:30 Circumstance wrote:On September 05 2014 12:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.
I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though. WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be. But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana! Ya, american players are so much more interesting just because they have white skin! For the love of God, not this strawman again. If skin tone was a factor in supporting foreigners, explain Suppy. Or Masa. Or Catz. Or Hendralisk. Or Illusion. Obviously, since they're not white, nobody wants them to win anything, right? This argument needs to disappear, because it's so blatantly and obviously flawed, and it makes everyone look bad. There is NO racial component for people liking the idea of players being able to succeed without being Korean. But there is actually a racial component, locking out Koreans (a race of people) just because they have the strictest regiment and the history / pedigree. There's an existing inequality between non-korean vs korean performance in NA and EU, and this is the answer, it's absolutely race based, if not nation / political bloq based (and let's not get into that shit). That's not actually true, as the korean people who have visas aren't kicked out, it's about nationality and not race. How about future ones? Say you are a rookie from China or Korea and you make an amazing qualifier run, win it, but get rejected because you don't have a team supporting you getting a visa? As far as I understand, people use the fact that they are accepted into a sports tournament or league as evidence or proof to get a sports visa, if the tournament is saying no you can't get in because you don't have a visa in the first place, then you can't apply.
Don't preach to me, I'm against it. I'm also against saying dumb stuff to further my cause tho.
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Finally if you want to play in America or Europe WCS, you need to be a resident. Only fair... Next step all live events like GSL...
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On September 05 2014 12:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:41 Caihead wrote:On September 05 2014 12:38 Plansix wrote:On September 05 2014 12:35 Caihead wrote:On September 05 2014 12:30 Circumstance wrote:On September 05 2014 12:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.
I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though. WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be. But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana! Ya, american players are so much more interesting just because they have white skin! For the love of God, not this strawman again. If skin tone was a factor in supporting foreigners, explain Suppy. Or Masa. Or Catz. Or Hendralisk. Or Illusion. Obviously, since they're not white, nobody wants them to win anything, right? This argument needs to disappear, because it's so blatantly and obviously flawed, and it makes everyone look bad. There is NO racial component for people liking the idea of players being able to succeed without being Korean. But there is actually a racial component, locking out Koreans (a race of people) just because they have the strictest regiment and the history / pedigree. There's an existing inequality between non-korean vs korean performance in NA and EU, and this is the answer, it's absolutely race based, if not nation / political bloq based (and let's not get into that shit). Except EU will be filled with Koreans because they already live there, but let's just ignore that fact and go with the racism argument because it's easier. Hey, I'm not even talking on behalf of the Koreans here, I'm worried about the Chinese community that's been fucked over time and time again. Region lock is restricting people of specific geopolitical locations to play in their own community, and there is an established inequality present, I'm not saying it's racist against Koreans, I'm saying that the consequences are that specific races of people who reside as a majority in some regions get the short end. No formate is going to be perfect for everyone in the world.
Well obviously people are in this thread celebrating the fact that NA heroes are getting an advantage (yet again), while China's been systematically relegated for like 3 years. At least throw us a bone, something.
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On September 05 2014 12:46 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:44 Plansix wrote:On September 05 2014 12:41 Caihead wrote:On September 05 2014 12:38 Plansix wrote:On September 05 2014 12:35 Caihead wrote:On September 05 2014 12:30 Circumstance wrote:On September 05 2014 12:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:11 jakethesnake wrote:
Polt must be so happy right now.
I actually really dislike the full region lock idea. i have loved what WCS AM was this past year and have watched so much of it and unless a bunch of Koreans actually get residency in the AM region, I fear that WCS AM is going to just be plagued with forfeits and whining. I hope I'm wrong about that though. WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be. But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana! Ya, american players are so much more interesting just because they have white skin! For the love of God, not this strawman again. If skin tone was a factor in supporting foreigners, explain Suppy. Or Masa. Or Catz. Or Hendralisk. Or Illusion. Obviously, since they're not white, nobody wants them to win anything, right? This argument needs to disappear, because it's so blatantly and obviously flawed, and it makes everyone look bad. There is NO racial component for people liking the idea of players being able to succeed without being Korean. But there is actually a racial component, locking out Koreans (a race of people) just because they have the strictest regiment and the history / pedigree. There's an existing inequality between non-korean vs korean performance in NA and EU, and this is the answer, it's absolutely race based, if not nation / political bloq based (and let's not get into that shit). Except EU will be filled with Koreans because they already live there, but let's just ignore that fact and go with the racism argument because it's easier. Hey, I'm not even talking on behalf of the Koreans here, I'm worried about the Chinese community that's been fucked over time and time again. Region lock is restricting people of specific geopolitical locations to play in their own community, and there is an established inequality present, I'm not saying it's racist against Koreans, I'm saying that the consequences are that specific races of people who reside as a majority in some regions get the short end. No formate is going to be perfect for everyone in the world. Well obviously people are in this thread celebrating the fact that NA heroes are getting an advantage (yet again), while China's been systematically relegated for like 3 years. At least throw us a bone, something.
They'll make an annual event called beat Jaedong. Every Chinese player shows up and eliminates Jaedong in a match!
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On September 05 2014 12:46 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:46 Caihead wrote:On September 05 2014 12:44 Plansix wrote:On September 05 2014 12:41 Caihead wrote:On September 05 2014 12:38 Plansix wrote:On September 05 2014 12:35 Caihead wrote:On September 05 2014 12:30 Circumstance wrote:On September 05 2014 12:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 12:19 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On September 05 2014 12:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
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WCS AM was a pleasure to watch this year. Now it's just gonna be so much less interesting. The skill level that was before Ro32 is now going to be Ro16 more even Ro8. We've seen that no one wants to really watch lower level NA players on a regular basis and now that's most of what it'll be. But Arium has an American flag guys! Clearly this is what we wanted, to watch Arium play against Shana! Ya, american players are so much more interesting just because they have white skin! For the love of God, not this strawman again. If skin tone was a factor in supporting foreigners, explain Suppy. Or Masa. Or Catz. Or Hendralisk. Or Illusion. Obviously, since they're not white, nobody wants them to win anything, right? This argument needs to disappear, because it's so blatantly and obviously flawed, and it makes everyone look bad. There is NO racial component for people liking the idea of players being able to succeed without being Korean. But there is actually a racial component, locking out Koreans (a race of people) just because they have the strictest regiment and the history / pedigree. There's an existing inequality between non-korean vs korean performance in NA and EU, and this is the answer, it's absolutely race based, if not nation / political bloq based (and let's not get into that shit). Except EU will be filled with Koreans because they already live there, but let's just ignore that fact and go with the racism argument because it's easier. Hey, I'm not even talking on behalf of the Koreans here, I'm worried about the Chinese community that's been fucked over time and time again. Region lock is restricting people of specific geopolitical locations to play in their own community, and there is an established inequality present, I'm not saying it's racist against Koreans, I'm saying that the consequences are that specific races of people who reside as a majority in some regions get the short end. No formate is going to be perfect for everyone in the world. Well obviously people are in this thread celebrating the fact that NA heroes are getting an advantage (yet again), while China's been systematically relegated for like 3 years. At least throw us a bone, something. They'll make an annual event called beat Jaedong. Every Chinese player shows up and eliminates Jaedong in a match!
What happens if Jaedong wins a game?
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I'm sure this thread is a clusterfuck, but I can't help but feel sad for the Korean players who are probably going to end up retiring as a direct or indirect result of this decision.
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