EPTIt's kind of laughable how badly the best players are treated by the system.
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Averse
United States40 Posts
It's kind of laughable how badly the best players are treated by the system. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 05 2014 11:42 Blargh wrote: I think comparing that to SC2/e-sports is sort of silly. There are many differences between them that make the comparison pretty invalid. For starters, the internet community does not care nearly as much about locality. In sports, people often root for their local team (if I lived in Los Angeles, I'd root for Lakers or w/e). There isn't nearly the same amount of representation in e-sports, and people don't even care that much about the representation either. Obviously, people like to root for foreigners (non-Koreans) when vs Koreans, but I think that is more of an underdog phenomenon than anything else. Also, if I had to guess, I'd say baseball is far more popular in JP than SC2 is, outside of Korea (maybe even globally? I don't have any statistics here) If we go down that road, comparing anything to anything is silly because they don't line up. The point is that region locking works for a lot of leagues in all forms of competitive everything. | ||
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Starecat
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On September 05 2014 11:43 Averse wrote: This is a pretty big 'fuck you' to the korean players playing overseas. I feel bad for the players that will retire because of this. Granted, the system should have been region locked from the start, but changing this now is giving the middle finger to the players that have gone through the trouble of traveling and trying to get settled in NA and EU. Even if making the system open at the start was a mistake, it should be left alone at this point. Hopefully there are more changes that haven't been announced that will help the koreans, like increasing the size and payouts of GSL to make that region more survivable for the effort it takes to compete. It's kind of laughable how badly the best players are treated by the system. I like the foreign scene as much as the next guy but yeah this really screwed a lot of the best players. People who can't travel and live overseas will retire because they can't make money in a crowded GSL and a lot of Kespa kids will retire as well. | ||
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Wroshe
Netherlands1051 Posts
On September 05 2014 11:45 Starecat wrote: Hey dudes, this shitstorm affects Dreamhacks-like? Not in any way shape or form. It only affects WCS itself. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On September 05 2014 11:45 Starecat wrote: Hey dudes, this shitstorm affects Dreamhacks-like? This is for WCS seasons only, if players can be flown out to a foreign tournament they can still go. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 05 2014 11:45 Starecat wrote: Hey dudes, this shitstorm affects Dreamhacks-like? No. Just official WCS season tournaments and GSL. So for players who play in GSL/SPL but still like to go to foreign events a few times a year, nothing changes. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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Zanzabarr
Canada217 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On September 05 2014 11:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I like the foreign scene as much as the next guy but yeah this really screwed a lot of the best players. People who can't travel and live overseas will retire because they can't make money in a crowded GSL and a lot of Kespa kids will retire as well. Some of the foreigners who have it made are so fucking entitled. There are Koreans who work far harder, and have far more skill, but see far less success and have way less fans, team support and opportunities, yet foreigners will still act like it is they who are hard done by and should be given easier competition. | ||
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Starecat
943 Posts
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On September 05 2014 11:49 Zanzabarr wrote: Hell....it's about time. They attempted a soft lock the second time around, but that was largely insignificant due to the mass amount of koreans already qualified for WCS NA through previous placement. Finally a full reset. Hopefully this will encourage more koreans to join foreign teams, which will in turn raise the skill level of the foreign scene even further. Do you have any idea how many Koreans there already are trying desperately to join foreign teams? Who do you think will take them? The latest no-name scammers? | ||
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
Well this basically kills my interest in WCS AM. I guess there's still a handful of series to watch... Really sucks as KR is in the one time slot practically impossible for me to watch. I hope the point system somehow accounts for this realignment. | ||
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Darthsanta13
United States564 Posts
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Gouka
Brazil11 Posts
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imJealous
United States1382 Posts
We can still watch competition at the highest level of skill in GSL every day and at the big foreign tournaments throughout the year. There's still more content than anyone with a job can consume every month. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 05 2014 11:51 Exarl25 wrote: Do you have any idea how many Koreans there already are trying desperately to join foreign teams? Who do you think will take them? The latest no-name scammers? Yeah, there are barely any quality foreign teams looking for players these days. Shit's tough, even WCS champion's in the case of Pigbaby can't find a team. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On September 05 2014 11:52 imJealous wrote: I just want to speak up as one of the quiet majority who is looking forward to this change. Obviously it will be a very rough transition, and in the short term will result in korean player retirements and lower WCS stream views, but in the long run this creates the opportunity for their to be a non-korean scene again. We can still watch competition at the highest level of skill in GSL every day and at the big foreign tournaments throughout the year. There's still more content than anyone with a job can consume every month. Silent majority… you mean your 55% majority that is on the whole way more vocal than the other 45% who are OK with how things went in 2014? Having a non-korean scene isn't good thing when it sacrifices the korean scene. Still think this needs to happen though On September 05 2014 10:06 The_Templar wrote: That would be accurate no matter what the announcement was. If Blizzard … kept their 2014 policy, and they added season finals back, but made it balanced, and gave a few points to Proleague and a couple fewer points to ATC teams to make it more competitive, and they expanded GSL and gave it more money/points, and Blizzcon was expanded to 24 people, and they sponsored their own SC2 team, and sponsored proleague, and created/funded a minor monthly tournament in each region that only allowed people that didn't make WCS challenger/premier to compete, people would still complain. | ||
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Motlu
Australia884 Posts
Edit: Guess he's going to have to stay in Korea, barring a huge commitment to moving T_T | ||
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