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On August 21 2014 06:48 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 06:46 Nebulem wrote:
Taeja is going to face the highest challenge of his career with both his Wcs and IEM groups. Hope he will be fine enough. I would not want to be in his head, he will probably be the most followed player during the next couple of days. taeja 3-0ed zest a month ago and he's played polt plenty of times before
I know but people won't expect less than the first place or at least good performances against some Kespa players (which is not secured at all according to his very last games). Fortunately, he has already got some convincing games against players like Zest or Rain which I guess will give him a short mental ease. As far as I know, the last time he was part of a death group with S-class players was Dreamhack Winter with Inno, and sOs, but I can't prevent myself from thinking he will have hard time in this group though we don't know the 4th player yet.
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Any barcraft in montreal for this event ?
Also any idea of who will be the casters ?
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Im hoping that JD shows up and beats everyone and hopefully the brackets will allow for a Flash vs JD finals.
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On August 21 2014 07:26 zeratul_jf wrote:
Im hoping that JD shows up and beats everyone and hopefully the brackets will allow for a Flash vs JD finals.
Maru is way too strong at this game 
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On August 21 2014 05:28 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 05:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 21 2014 04:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 21 2014 04:00 messioso wrote:On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote:
How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning. TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points. Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon. So? They still get invites for having points, and points for having invites. I feel like the WCS invites should go the more fringe players 13th-20th or so area where their chances at Blizzcon exist but they still need to prove themselves, before they get invites for the top guys who are just going to further the gap pointlessly EDIT: Obviously I'm talking about WCS ranking based invites only. I fully support inviting the title defender and the Proleague MVP
Inviting the people at 13th-20th is an absolutely awful idea that would cause a huge problems. People would be throwing accusations that the people at Blizzcon are only there because the tournament organizers favoured them even more so than when they invite Hyun and MC. At least Hyun and MC are completely through, and their chances at Blizzcon aren't impacted by this at all. What do you think would happen if say Snute got an invite and pushed out a KeSPA player from Blizzcon because of this tournament. The KeSPA elitists that frequent this forum would go crazy. Do you remember the outcry that happened when Revival was invited to IEM last year when he was in 17th place?
On August 21 2014 05:45 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 05:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 21 2014 04:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 21 2014 04:00 messioso wrote:On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote:
How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning. TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points. Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon. I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all.
They have proved it. If you add up the points that they have gotten out of tournaments where they were not invited they still easily make Blizzcon. You may have a problem with the points distribution of different tournaments particularly the GSL, the whole invite system, and the way the rich get richer, however invites have no bearing on whether MC or HyuN make Blizzcon.
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I want to see Jaedong vs Flash finals. I would cry.
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Flash > Jaedong finals please
(just because I feel bad for Flash, and he could use a win)
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That doesn't make it open. It means that anyone can sign up, but it's up to the discretion of IEM to choose the players. That doesn't make it open to the public, that makes it open to whoever but subject to replacement by a well-known name, regardless of when they sign up.
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Maru will still win this, just wait
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On August 21 2014 08:16 vult wrote:That doesn't make it open. It means that anyone can sign up, but it's up to the discretion of IEM to choose the players. That doesn't make it open to the public, that makes it open to whoever but subject to replacement by a well-known name, regardless of when they sign up.
i fail to see what difference this makes at all
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On August 21 2014 07:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 05:28 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 21 2014 05:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 21 2014 04:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 21 2014 04:00 messioso wrote:On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote:
How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning. TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points. Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon. So? They still get invites for having points, and points for having invites. I feel like the WCS invites should go the more fringe players 13th-20th or so area where their chances at Blizzcon exist but they still need to prove themselves, before they get invites for the top guys who are just going to further the gap pointlessly EDIT: Obviously I'm talking about WCS ranking based invites only. I fully support inviting the title defender and the Proleague MVP Inviting the people at 13th-20th is an absolutely awful idea that would cause a huge problems. People would be throwing accusations that the people at Blizzcon are only there because the tournament organizers favoured them even more so than when they invite Hyun and MC. At least Hyun and MC are completely through, and their chances at Blizzcon aren't impacted by this at all. What do you think would happen if say Snute got an invite and pushed out a KeSPA player from Blizzcon because of this tournament. The KeSPA elitists that frequent this forum would go crazy. Do you remember the outcry that happened when Revival was invited to IEM last year when he was in 17th place? Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 05:45 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 21 2014 05:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 21 2014 04:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 21 2014 04:00 messioso wrote:On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote:
How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning. TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points. Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon. I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all. They have proved it. If you add up the points that they have gotten out of tournaments where they were not invited they still easily make Blizzcon. You may have a problem with the points distribution of different tournaments particularly the GSL, the whole invite system, and the way the rich get richer, however invites have no bearing on whether MC or HyuN make Blizzcon.
I think the issue with Revival getting invited, sans the blatant bias most people had for wanting Naniwa in Blizzcon is that the norm has been to invite your MCs and your Hyuns, and deviating from that norm for one player at the very end is bullshit.
Furthermore this would give invites to Kespa players not take them away or unfavor them. In the completely arbitrary group of rankings that I suggested half of them are current Kespa with Pigbaby being former. This would allow your soo's and your rain's who don't usually get to foreign tournaments the chance to get more WCS points than just GSL performances. And with the "must advance a round" rule should they bomb out in the first place they get no points meaning they STILL need to prove themselves at the actual tournament. And if Snute received an invite, proved himself by advancing through the tournament and getting enough points to go to blizzcon, then he damn well deserved it. Same as MMA or Hero or Rain
A much fairer system than say MC and Hyun (who are very likely to show up anyway because they're supported by organizations that fly them around the world all the time) here is the potential for even more points that you don't in any way need while players like the three time consecutive GSL silver medalist sits in the GSL and quietly dominates but not enough to keep his blizcon spot safe.
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On August 21 2014 08:23 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 07:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 21 2014 05:28 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 21 2014 05:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 21 2014 04:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 21 2014 04:00 messioso wrote:On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote:
How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning. TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points. Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon. So? They still get invites for having points, and points for having invites. I feel like the WCS invites should go the more fringe players 13th-20th or so area where their chances at Blizzcon exist but they still need to prove themselves, before they get invites for the top guys who are just going to further the gap pointlessly EDIT: Obviously I'm talking about WCS ranking based invites only. I fully support inviting the title defender and the Proleague MVP Inviting the people at 13th-20th is an absolutely awful idea that would cause a huge problems. People would be throwing accusations that the people at Blizzcon are only there because the tournament organizers favoured them even more so than when they invite Hyun and MC. At least Hyun and MC are completely through, and their chances at Blizzcon aren't impacted by this at all. What do you think would happen if say Snute got an invite and pushed out a KeSPA player from Blizzcon because of this tournament. The KeSPA elitists that frequent this forum would go crazy. Do you remember the outcry that happened when Revival was invited to IEM last year when he was in 17th place? On August 21 2014 05:45 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 21 2014 05:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 21 2014 04:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 21 2014 04:00 messioso wrote:On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote:
How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning. TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points. Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon. I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all. They have proved it. If you add up the points that they have gotten out of tournaments where they were not invited they still easily make Blizzcon. You may have a problem with the points distribution of different tournaments particularly the GSL, the whole invite system, and the way the rich get richer, however invites have no bearing on whether MC or HyuN make Blizzcon. I think the issue with Revival getting invited, sans the blatant bias most people had for wanting Naniwa in Blizzcon is that the norm has been to invite your MCs and your Hyuns, and deviating from that norm for one player at the very end is bullshit. Furthermore this would give invites to Kespa players not take them away or unfavor them. In the completely arbitrary group of rankings that I suggested half of them are current Kespa with Pigbaby being former. This would allow your soo's and your rain's who don't usually get to foreign tournaments the chance to get more WCS points than just GSL performances. And with the "must advance a round" rule should they bomb out in the first place they get no points meaning they STILL need to prove themselves at the actual tournament. And if Snute received an invite, proved himself by advancing through the tournament and getting enough points to go to blizzcon, then he damn well deserved it. Same as MMA or Hero or Rain A much fairer system than say MC and Hyun (who are very likely to show up anyway because they're supported by organizations that fly them around the world all the time) here is the potential for even more points that you don't in any way need while players like the three time consecutive GSL silver medalist sits in the GSL and quietly dominates but not enough to keep his blizcon spot safe.
I don't agree. If Snute get points in a tournament after receiving an invite, and due to that succeeds in getting to Blizzcon instead of another player its hugely unfair towards that other player. If that other player had been invited to the tournament instead of Snute its likely that the positions would be reversed. An additional issue is that expecting impartial invites within that list of players from the tournament organizers is impossible. Inviting people like MC and Hyun is the less controversial option as it doesn't impact Blizzcon, and there is some systematic way (WCS points) of deciding the invites.
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Wow this looks so freakin good! I mean all four groups has superb top level players and the open bracket is epic! :D:D:D gonna watch!
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On August 21 2014 08:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 08:23 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 21 2014 07:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 21 2014 05:28 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 21 2014 05:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 21 2014 04:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 21 2014 04:00 messioso wrote:On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote:
How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning. TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points. Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon. So? They still get invites for having points, and points for having invites. I feel like the WCS invites should go the more fringe players 13th-20th or so area where their chances at Blizzcon exist but they still need to prove themselves, before they get invites for the top guys who are just going to further the gap pointlessly EDIT: Obviously I'm talking about WCS ranking based invites only. I fully support inviting the title defender and the Proleague MVP Inviting the people at 13th-20th is an absolutely awful idea that would cause a huge problems. People would be throwing accusations that the people at Blizzcon are only there because the tournament organizers favoured them even more so than when they invite Hyun and MC. At least Hyun and MC are completely through, and their chances at Blizzcon aren't impacted by this at all. What do you think would happen if say Snute got an invite and pushed out a KeSPA player from Blizzcon because of this tournament. The KeSPA elitists that frequent this forum would go crazy. Do you remember the outcry that happened when Revival was invited to IEM last year when he was in 17th place? On August 21 2014 05:45 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 21 2014 05:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 21 2014 04:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 21 2014 04:00 messioso wrote:On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote:
How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning. TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points. Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon. I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all. They have proved it. If you add up the points that they have gotten out of tournaments where they were not invited they still easily make Blizzcon. You may have a problem with the points distribution of different tournaments particularly the GSL, the whole invite system, and the way the rich get richer, however invites have no bearing on whether MC or HyuN make Blizzcon. I think the issue with Revival getting invited, sans the blatant bias most people had for wanting Naniwa in Blizzcon is that the norm has been to invite your MCs and your Hyuns, and deviating from that norm for one player at the very end is bullshit. Furthermore this would give invites to Kespa players not take them away or unfavor them. In the completely arbitrary group of rankings that I suggested half of them are current Kespa with Pigbaby being former. This would allow your soo's and your rain's who don't usually get to foreign tournaments the chance to get more WCS points than just GSL performances. And with the "must advance a round" rule should they bomb out in the first place they get no points meaning they STILL need to prove themselves at the actual tournament. And if Snute received an invite, proved himself by advancing through the tournament and getting enough points to go to blizzcon, then he damn well deserved it. Same as MMA or Hero or Rain A much fairer system than say MC and Hyun (who are very likely to show up anyway because they're supported by organizations that fly them around the world all the time) here is the potential for even more points that you don't in any way need while players like the three time consecutive GSL silver medalist sits in the GSL and quietly dominates but not enough to keep his blizcon spot safe. I don't agree. If Snute get points in a tournament after receiving an invite, and due to that succeeds in getting to Blizzcon instead of another player its hugely unfair towards that other player. If that other player had been invited to the tournament instead of Snute its likely that the positions would be reversed. An additional issue is that expecting impartial invites within that list of players from the tournament organizers is impossible. Inviting people like MC and Hyun is the less controversial option as it doesn't impact Blizzcon, and there is some systematic way (WCS points) of deciding the invites.
The only problem I see with that view is that Snute in this hypothetical still needs to do something. That invite doesn't get him blizzcon. He still needs to perform at the event. Yes another player could have been invited instead and maybe the situation would be reversed. But at the same time Snute isn't exactly the player I'm talking about here either. Liquid likely would (as they already are) sending him to IEM regardless of an invite. This is more to the benefit of your Classic/Soo/Rain fringe.
But i do agree its the least controversial choice. Although for every invite we don't usually get to see those that declined so who knows who else IEM had lined up should any player say no
Someone's always going to be butthurt, but imo giving more points to those who already have points because they already have points is silly. Especially when those players travel around anyway
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On August 21 2014 06:23 Jer99 wrote:I signed up 
Not sure why they would select Maru over you
Did you contact ESL, maybe they've done a mistake or smoething
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On August 21 2014 09:31 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 08:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 21 2014 08:23 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 21 2014 07:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 21 2014 05:28 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 21 2014 05:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 21 2014 04:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 21 2014 04:00 messioso wrote:On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote:
How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning. TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points. Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon. So? They still get invites for having points, and points for having invites. I feel like the WCS invites should go the more fringe players 13th-20th or so area where their chances at Blizzcon exist but they still need to prove themselves, before they get invites for the top guys who are just going to further the gap pointlessly EDIT: Obviously I'm talking about WCS ranking based invites only. I fully support inviting the title defender and the Proleague MVP Inviting the people at 13th-20th is an absolutely awful idea that would cause a huge problems. People would be throwing accusations that the people at Blizzcon are only there because the tournament organizers favoured them even more so than when they invite Hyun and MC. At least Hyun and MC are completely through, and their chances at Blizzcon aren't impacted by this at all. What do you think would happen if say Snute got an invite and pushed out a KeSPA player from Blizzcon because of this tournament. The KeSPA elitists that frequent this forum would go crazy. Do you remember the outcry that happened when Revival was invited to IEM last year when he was in 17th place? On August 21 2014 05:45 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 21 2014 05:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 21 2014 04:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 21 2014 04:00 messioso wrote:On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote:
How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning. TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points. Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon. I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all. They have proved it. If you add up the points that they have gotten out of tournaments where they were not invited they still easily make Blizzcon. You may have a problem with the points distribution of different tournaments particularly the GSL, the whole invite system, and the way the rich get richer, however invites have no bearing on whether MC or HyuN make Blizzcon. I think the issue with Revival getting invited, sans the blatant bias most people had for wanting Naniwa in Blizzcon is that the norm has been to invite your MCs and your Hyuns, and deviating from that norm for one player at the very end is bullshit. Furthermore this would give invites to Kespa players not take them away or unfavor them. In the completely arbitrary group of rankings that I suggested half of them are current Kespa with Pigbaby being former. This would allow your soo's and your rain's who don't usually get to foreign tournaments the chance to get more WCS points than just GSL performances. And with the "must advance a round" rule should they bomb out in the first place they get no points meaning they STILL need to prove themselves at the actual tournament. And if Snute received an invite, proved himself by advancing through the tournament and getting enough points to go to blizzcon, then he damn well deserved it. Same as MMA or Hero or Rain A much fairer system than say MC and Hyun (who are very likely to show up anyway because they're supported by organizations that fly them around the world all the time) here is the potential for even more points that you don't in any way need while players like the three time consecutive GSL silver medalist sits in the GSL and quietly dominates but not enough to keep his blizcon spot safe. I don't agree. If Snute get points in a tournament after receiving an invite, and due to that succeeds in getting to Blizzcon instead of another player its hugely unfair towards that other player. If that other player had been invited to the tournament instead of Snute its likely that the positions would be reversed. An additional issue is that expecting impartial invites within that list of players from the tournament organizers is impossible. Inviting people like MC and Hyun is the less controversial option as it doesn't impact Blizzcon, and there is some systematic way (WCS points) of deciding the invites. The only problem I see with that view is that Snute in this hypothetical still needs to do something. That invite doesn't get him blizzcon. He still needs to perform at the event. Yes another player could have been invited instead and maybe the situation would be reversed. But at the same time Snute isn't exactly the player I'm talking about here either. Liquid likely would (as they already are) sending him to IEM regardless of an invite. This is more to the benefit of your Classic/Soo/Rain fringe. But i do agree its the least controversial choice. Although for every invite we don't usually get to see those that declined so who knows who else IEM had lined up should any player say no Someone's always going to be butthurt, but imo giving more points to those who already have points because they already have points is silly. Especially when those players travel around anyway
I wonder if the points handed out during that bogus g3 tourney will make a difference for blizzcon
The shitstorm would be glorious
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goodbye sleep~~ Hello super stacked IEM!!!~~~
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Zest to punch Taeja into retirement. Keep up the Kespa elitism!
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