Group A is so sick. I have this terrible feeling that JD is gonna make it from the open bracket and then get thrown right in there.
And there is the potential for Flash vs Scarlett and that literally gives me a chubby. Might not happen though depending on who is the last player in that group.
Yeah like everyone says, absolutely sick groups. :o I can't wait! It's like the perfect groups, group A being group of death, and D being a group of hype, and the rest are strong too.
OMG Flash vs Scarlett potential!!!! Flashhhhhhhhhhhhhh :D
Hoping Maru gets into Group C or B if he goes through open bracket.
IEM CANADIAAAAA HYYYYYYPPPPPPEEE
On August 21 2014 02:06 lichter wrote: Flash will lose to a foreigner, calling it now
Pfft, how are you think god will lose to a foreigner!!!
Also, on a serious note the guy is on form, doing sick in IEM qualifier to then repeat it in the toughest bracket in KESPA cup qualifier. Guy needs some respect right now imo.
Of course it might all go back to reality after he plays his GSL group But as of now he should be
Scarlett got legit group by the way, even if there will be Maru. Give Maru in A, just for lulz.
sOs got nice group, even with Maru first place is ok. On the other hand, i never saw sOs playing Maru, give bo7 in the finals, who's going to be more cold-blooded.
And Zest got fucked HAHAHA. From all spectre of players - getting two Terrans, what a lucky guy.
Looks like the perfect storm for another amazing IEM.
- Canadian audience - Good players - Very good groups even at the incomplete stage
Also wtf @ Maru? When did he show up xD. I'm so out of the loop lately...
I'm very interested to see how he'll do in particular. He's one of these top-tier guys who people inherently think would own foreign events. Let's see if he makes good on that, or ends up another RorO or TY :p
On August 21 2014 02:06 lichter wrote: Flash will lose to a foreigner, calling it now
That seems... highly unlikely. He won't lose to Scarlett and how many foreigners are getting out of the first group stage?
mmm idk. Scarlett can be freakishly good when she's on her game and it wouldn't be surprising if Flash can't replicate his scary current form into a foreign tournament. It's happened before after all.
On August 21 2014 02:06 lichter wrote: Flash will lose to a foreigner, calling it now
That seems... highly unlikely. He won't lose to Scarlett and how many foreigners are getting out of the first group stage?
mmm idk. Scarlett can be freakishly good when she's on her game and it wouldn't be surprising if Flash can't replicate his scary current form into a foreign tournament. It's happened before after all.
With the way Scarlett's ZvT has fallen off since the patch... maybe but I'm not holding by breath. She can beat MC though and almost anyone to come out of the open bracket if she's on her A game.
How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
On August 21 2014 02:06 lichter wrote: Flash will lose to a foreigner, calling it now
That seems... highly unlikely. He won't lose to Scarlett and how many foreigners are getting out of the first group stage?
mmm idk. Scarlett can be freakishly good when she's on her game and it wouldn't be surprising if Flash can't replicate his scary current form into a foreign tournament. It's happened before after all.
With the way Scarlett's ZvT has fallen off since the patch... maybe but I'm not holding by breath. She can beat MC though and almost anyone to come out of the open bracket if she's on her A game.
The way her ZvT has fallen off? There really is not much of a sample. She also has a tendency to perform much better offline :D. I am not saying she WILL beat Flash, but she definitely has a shot. Pre Patch, I would say they were even, Post patch I would give Flash a slight to decent advantage o.o Flash is definitely favored, but she does have a chance
On August 21 2014 02:06 lichter wrote: Flash will lose to a foreigner, calling it now
That seems... highly unlikely. He won't lose to Scarlett and how many foreigners are getting out of the first group stage?
mmm idk. Scarlett can be freakishly good when she's on her game and it wouldn't be surprising if Flash can't replicate his scary current form into a foreign tournament. It's happened before after all.
With the way Scarlett's ZvT has fallen off since the patch... maybe but I'm not holding by breath. She can beat MC though and almost anyone to come out of the open bracket if she's on her A game.
The way her ZvT has fallen off? There really is not much of a sample. She also has a tendency to perform much better offline :D. I am not saying she WILL beat Flash, but she definitely has a shot. Pre Patch, I would say they were even, Post patch I would give Flash a slight advantage o.o
Slight?
Sorry but Flash is favoured by a huge amount judging by recent results.
On August 21 2014 02:06 lichter wrote: Flash will lose to a foreigner, calling it now
That seems... highly unlikely. He won't lose to Scarlett and how many foreigners are getting out of the first group stage?
mmm idk. Scarlett can be freakishly good when she's on her game and it wouldn't be surprising if Flash can't replicate his scary current form into a foreign tournament. It's happened before after all.
With the way Scarlett's ZvT has fallen off since the patch... maybe but I'm not holding by breath. She can beat MC though and almost anyone to come out of the open bracket if she's on her A game.
The way her ZvT has fallen off? There really is not much of a sample. She also has a tendency to perform much better offline :D. I am not saying she WILL beat Flash, but she definitely has a shot. Pre Patch, I would say they were even, Post patch I would give Flash a slight advantage o.o
On August 21 2014 02:06 lichter wrote: Flash will lose to a foreigner, calling it now
That seems... highly unlikely. He won't lose to Scarlett and how many foreigners are getting out of the first group stage?
mmm idk. Scarlett can be freakishly good when she's on her game and it wouldn't be surprising if Flash can't replicate his scary current form into a foreign tournament. It's happened before after all.
With the way Scarlett's ZvT has fallen off since the patch... maybe but I'm not holding by breath. She can beat MC though and almost anyone to come out of the open bracket if she's on her A game.
The way her ZvT has fallen off? There really is not much of a sample. She also has a tendency to perform much better offline :D. I am not saying she WILL beat Flash, but she definitely has a shot. Pre Patch, I would say they were even, Post patch I would give Flash a slight advantage o.o
Slight advantage?! I'm a HUGE Scarlett fan but dude she's gonna get rekt no question about it. If she can't beat Heart, Bunny or Masa you think Scarlett has a chance against FUCKING FLASH?!
On August 21 2014 02:06 lichter wrote: Flash will lose to a foreigner, calling it now
That seems... highly unlikely. He won't lose to Scarlett and how many foreigners are getting out of the first group stage?
mmm idk. Scarlett can be freakishly good when she's on her game and it wouldn't be surprising if Flash can't replicate his scary current form into a foreign tournament. It's happened before after all.
With the way Scarlett's ZvT has fallen off since the patch... maybe but I'm not holding by breath. She can beat MC though and almost anyone to come out of the open bracket if she's on her A game.
The way her ZvT has fallen off? There really is not much of a sample. She also has a tendency to perform much better offline :D. I am not saying she WILL beat Flash, but she definitely has a shot. Pre Patch, I would say they were even, Post patch I would give Flash a slight advantage o.o
Slight advantage?! I'm a HUGE Scarlett fan but dude she's gonna get rekt no question about it. If she can't beat Heart, Bunny or Masa you think Scarlett has a chance against FUCKING FLASH?!
Shortly after writing this message SetGuitarsToKill spontaneously combusted.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
and are dependable. and put on good showings. and bring some fun to the tourney. Face it there are few tournaments that aren't going to invite two of the most popular players who tournament organisers can fall back on if any of the special guests they have in mind refuse the invite. The reputation for being travelers is almost as good for them for getting invites as there wcs seeding and popularity.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
and are dependable. and put on good showings. and bring some fun to the tourney. Face it there are few tournaments that aren't going to invite two of the most popular players who tournament organisers can fall back on if any of the special guests they have in mind refuse the invite. The reputation for being travelers is almost as good for them for getting invites as there wcs seeding and popularity.
Not to mention that they both are monstrously good players.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
invited players don't earn any WCS points if they don't at least advance 1 round
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
and are dependable. and put on good showings. and bring some fun to the tourney. Face it there are few tournaments that aren't going to invite two of the most popular players who tournament organisers can fall back on if any of the special guests they have in mind refuse the invite. The reputation for being travelers is almost as good for them for getting invites as there wcs seeding and popularity.
Not to mention that they both are monstrously good players.
you're not allowed say that on team liquid anymore. Anyone whos not kespa is crap and for suggesting other players could even lick kespa feet you are laughed at.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
and are dependable. and put on good showings. and bring some fun to the tourney. Face it there are few tournaments that aren't going to invite two of the most popular players who tournament organisers can fall back on if any of the special guests they have in mind refuse the invite. The reputation for being travelers is almost as good for them for getting invites as there wcs seeding and popularity.
Not to mention that they both are monstrously good players.
your not allowed say the on team liquid anymore. Anyone whos not kespa is crap and for suggesting other players could even lick kespa feet you are laughed at.
I do agree that the Kespa players are much stronger than 2013 kepsa players in comparison to foreign/non kespa players but I still think that the non kespa players will take series off them, whether they will win overall or not is another matter. Anyway most of my favourite zerg players are not Kespa, Jaedong, Life, Hyun the list goes on. But we will see if Kespa rules or or not when at this tournament and at blizzcon.
Considering Flash recently beat players like Soulkey and EffOrt in KeSPA Cup Qualifier and players like PartinG and SoS in Proleague playoffs and herO, Pigbaby and Classic in IEM Toronto qualifier, it's not looking so well for Scarlett and MC and Flash only has to practice TvZ and TvP for his GSL Code S also, aslong as Maru doesn't get put in Group D, Flash should be fine.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
Yep everyone knows how this is gonna unfold. Move along folks.
Edit:
Did some research. Our boy has won 9/10 tournaments entered that have a first place prize of 10k. And he's also on a 7 win spree with no losses between in 10k tournaments.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
So? They still get invites for having points, and points for having invites. I feel like the WCS invites should go the more fringe players 13th-20th or so area where their chances at Blizzcon exist but they still need to prove themselves, before they get invites for the top guys who are just going to further the gap pointlessly
EDIT: Obviously I'm talking about WCS ranking based invites only. I fully support inviting the title defender and the Proleague MVP
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
Yes, from WCS EU and NA, whereas Soo, who is probably better than both those guys put together, might not get to blizzcon despite 3 consecutive GSL finals. If we want blizzcon to be entertainment, fine. If we want it to be a serious competitive format, it's a travesty. GSL is the real world championship, blizzcon is a giant showmatch.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all.
WCS points should be the sole province of WCS itself and fully open tournaments, no invites or regional qualifiers. Korea should have double or triple the amount of points, and money, compared to other regions, a GSL Ro8 is easily as hard or harder than winning a mostly foreigner Lan.
Then, we can put a hard region lock in place because Korea will actually be worthwhile for Koreans. Boom, everybody wins, we get the best players at blizzcon, no one gets any freebies from invites, and the local NA and EU players actually have something realistic to play for.
On August 21 2014 05:26 triforks wrote: TaeJa - Check Weekend - Check 10k Prize - Check
Yep everyone knows how this is gonna unfold. Move along folks.
Edit:
Did some research. Our boy has won 9/10 tournaments entered that have a first place prize of 10k. And he's also on a 7 win spree with no losses between in 10k tournaments.
Half-dead wrists - Check Zest looking for revenge - Check 0-2'ed by Action in the last stacked tournament - Check
Yeah, move along. It's not looking good this time. ;p
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all.
WCS points should be the sole province of WCS itself and fully open tournaments, no invites or regional qualifiers. Korea should have double or triple the amount of points, and money, compared to other regions, a GSL Ro8 is easily as hard or harder than winning a mostly foreigner Lan.
Then, we can put a hard region lock in place because Korea will actually be worthwhile for Koreans. Boom, everybody wins, we get the best players at blizzcon, no one gets any freebies from invites, and the local NA and EU players actually have something realistic to play for.
If I know my Korean organizers and I think I do My bet is they take that extra money and put it all in first place -_-
On August 21 2014 05:26 triforks wrote: TaeJa - Check Weekend - Check 10k Prize - Check
Yep everyone knows how this is gonna unfold. Move along folks.
Edit:
Did some research. Our boy has won 9/10 tournaments entered that have a first place prize of 10k. And he's also on a 7 win spree with no losses between in 10k tournaments.
Half-dead wrists - Check Zest looking for revenge - Check 0-2'ed by Action in the last stacked tournament - Check
Yeah, move along. It's not looking good this time. ;p
It's like you all think Action is some random 2 bit zerg. So let me run it down who he's beaten in the last 2 months:
On August 21 2014 05:26 triforks wrote: TaeJa - Check Weekend - Check 10k Prize - Check
Yep everyone knows how this is gonna unfold. Move along folks.
Edit:
Did some research. Our boy has won 9/10 tournaments entered that have a first place prize of 10k. And he's also on a 7 win spree with no losses between in 10k tournaments.
Half-dead wrists - Check Zest looking for revenge - Check 0-2'ed by Action in the last stacked tournament - Check
Yeah, move along. It's not looking good this time. ;p
It's like you all think Action is some random 2 bit zerg.
No. But there will be even worse (I mean stronger opponents) in that IEM.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all.
WCS points should be the sole province of WCS itself and fully open tournaments, no invites or regional qualifiers. Korea should have double or triple the amount of points, and money, compared to other regions, a GSL Ro8 is easily as hard or harder than winning a mostly foreigner Lan.
Then, we can put a hard region lock in place because Korea will actually be worthwhile for Koreans. Boom, everybody wins, we get the best players at blizzcon, no one gets any freebies from invites, and the local NA and EU players actually have something realistic to play for.
If I know my Korean organizers and I think I do My bet is they take that extra money and put it all in first place -_-
Add provisions, have hard rules for how points and money are awarded. These things can be regulated.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all.
WCS points should be the sole province of WCS itself and fully open tournaments, no invites or regional qualifiers. Korea should have double or triple the amount of points, and money, compared to other regions, a GSL Ro8 is easily as hard or harder than winning a mostly foreigner Lan.
Then, we can put a hard region lock in place because Korea will actually be worthwhile for Koreans. Boom, everybody wins, we get the best players at blizzcon, no one gets any freebies from invites, and the local NA and EU players actually have something realistic to play for.
If I know my Korean organizers and I think I do My bet is they take that extra money and put it all in first place -_-
Add provisions, have hard rules for how points and money are awarded. These things can be regulated.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all.
WCS points should be the sole province of WCS itself and fully open tournaments, no invites or regional qualifiers. Korea should have double or triple the amount of points, and money, compared to other regions, a GSL Ro8 is easily as hard or harder than winning a mostly foreigner Lan.
Then, we can put a hard region lock in place because Korea will actually be worthwhile for Koreans. Boom, everybody wins, we get the best players at blizzcon, no one gets any freebies from invites, and the local NA and EU players actually have something realistic to play for.
If I know my Korean organizers and I think I do My bet is they take that extra money and put it all in first place -_-
Add provisions, have hard rules for how points and money are awarded. These things can be regulated.
Last time they did that OSL quit and MLG quit.
MLG quit for different reasons too. Are we really worried about Kespa dumping Sc2 if blizz gave them more points and money, but with certain provisions? That strikes me as a very dubious proposition. It's worth exploring at least.
Ugh. Not enough good foreigners to interest me. I can watch GSL and proleague to see the best koreans duke it out. If you want more of that though this is looking pretty good.
If I can see Scarlett beating Flash on my new Acer laptop, every bad thing that has happened over the course of my summer, as well as my inability to go to the WCS America Ro16 groups because of school starting, will be instantly wiped away.
Taeja has Jaedong, Hyun and Pigbaby in WCS America, Zest, Polt, (Maru maybe) in IEM Toronto, I want to see his group for Red Bull Battlegrounds Detroit. Any combination of Hyun Polt Bomber Jaedong?
Tournaments are giving him the hardest groups before he retires lol
On August 21 2014 06:20 helvete wrote: Ugh. Not enough good foreigners to interest me. I can watch GSL and proleague to see the best koreans duke it out. If you want more of that though this is looking pretty good.
Scarlett, Bunny, Snute, Huk, pucK and the rest of Canada's best aren't good enough for you?
On August 21 2014 06:20 helvete wrote: Ugh. Not enough good foreigners to interest me. I can watch GSL and proleague to see the best koreans duke it out. If you want more of that though this is looking pretty good.
Scarlett, Bunny, Snute, Huk, pucK and the rest of Canada's best aren't good enough for you?
i for one won't be satisfied until a tournament literally invites the top 16 aligulac foreigners, holds their hands on the planes, gives them free lollipops and writes them poems about how good and special they are for being from countries other than korea
Taeja is going to face the highest challenge of his career with both his Wcs and IEM groups. Hope he will be fine enough. I would not want to be in his head, he will probably be the most followed player during the next couple of days.
On August 21 2014 06:46 Nebulem wrote: Taeja is going to face the highest challenge of his career with both his Wcs and IEM groups. Hope he will be fine enough. I would not want to be in his head, he will probably be the most followed player during the next couple of days.
taeja 3-0ed zest a month ago and he's played polt plenty of times before
On August 21 2014 06:46 Nebulem wrote: Taeja is going to face the highest challenge of his career with both his Wcs and IEM groups. Hope he will be fine enough. I would not want to be in his head, he will probably be the most followed player during the next couple of days.
taeja 3-0ed zest a month ago and he's played polt plenty of times before
Well the 3-0 series against Zest honestly looked more like an accident for Zest than a feat from Taeja. This revenge series will probably give us a good idea of how right or wrong this impression is.
On August 21 2014 06:20 helvete wrote: Ugh. Not enough good foreigners to interest me. I can watch GSL and proleague to see the best koreans duke it out. If you want more of that though this is looking pretty good.
dont worry bout it, we should get another foreigner in top 4 for SURE
recently we had Jim top 4 (tied for 3rd?) in IEM Shenzen
and before that in another IEM we had TLO in top 4
no other foreigners besides those 2 (and Naniwa) got top 4 in any IEM in all of HOTS, but we will get a foreigner in top 4 IEM Toronto FOR SURE, maybe even win the whole thing which TLO, Jim and Naniwa couldnt do
On August 21 2014 06:46 Nebulem wrote: Taeja is going to face the highest challenge of his career with both his Wcs and IEM groups. Hope he will be fine enough. I would not want to be in his head, he will probably be the most followed player during the next couple of days.
taeja 3-0ed zest a month ago and he's played polt plenty of times before
I know but people won't expect less than the first place or at least good performances against some Kespa players (which is not secured at all according to his very last games). Fortunately, he has already got some convincing games against players like Zest or Rain which I guess will give him a short mental ease. As far as I know, the last time he was part of a death group with S-class players was Dreamhack Winter with Inno, and sOs, but I can't prevent myself from thinking he will have hard time in this group though we don't know the 4th player yet.
On August 21 2014 07:26 zeratul_jf wrote: Im hoping that JD shows up and beats everyone and hopefully the brackets will allow for a Flash vs JD finals.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
So? They still get invites for having points, and points for having invites. I feel like the WCS invites should go the more fringe players 13th-20th or so area where their chances at Blizzcon exist but they still need to prove themselves, before they get invites for the top guys who are just going to further the gap pointlessly
EDIT: Obviously I'm talking about WCS ranking based invites only. I fully support inviting the title defender and the Proleague MVP
Inviting the people at 13th-20th is an absolutely awful idea that would cause a huge problems. People would be throwing accusations that the people at Blizzcon are only there because the tournament organizers favoured them even more so than when they invite Hyun and MC. At least Hyun and MC are completely through, and their chances at Blizzcon aren't impacted by this at all. What do you think would happen if say Snute got an invite and pushed out a KeSPA player from Blizzcon because of this tournament. The KeSPA elitists that frequent this forum would go crazy. Do you remember the outcry that happened when Revival was invited to IEM last year when he was in 17th place?
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all.
They have proved it. If you add up the points that they have gotten out of tournaments where they were not invited they still easily make Blizzcon. You may have a problem with the points distribution of different tournaments particularly the GSL, the whole invite system, and the way the rich get richer, however invites have no bearing on whether MC or HyuN make Blizzcon.
That doesn't make it open. It means that anyone can sign up, but it's up to the discretion of IEM to choose the players. That doesn't make it open to the public, that makes it open to whoever but subject to replacement by a well-known name, regardless of when they sign up.
That doesn't make it open. It means that anyone can sign up, but it's up to the discretion of IEM to choose the players. That doesn't make it open to the public, that makes it open to whoever but subject to replacement by a well-known name, regardless of when they sign up.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
So? They still get invites for having points, and points for having invites. I feel like the WCS invites should go the more fringe players 13th-20th or so area where their chances at Blizzcon exist but they still need to prove themselves, before they get invites for the top guys who are just going to further the gap pointlessly
EDIT: Obviously I'm talking about WCS ranking based invites only. I fully support inviting the title defender and the Proleague MVP
Inviting the people at 13th-20th is an absolutely awful idea that would cause a huge problems. People would be throwing accusations that the people at Blizzcon are only there because the tournament organizers favoured them even more so than when they invite Hyun and MC. At least Hyun and MC are completely through, and their chances at Blizzcon aren't impacted by this at all. What do you think would happen if say Snute got an invite and pushed out a KeSPA player from Blizzcon because of this tournament. The KeSPA elitists that frequent this forum would go crazy. Do you remember the outcry that happened when Revival was invited to IEM last year when he was in 17th place?
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all.
They have proved it. If you add up the points that they have gotten out of tournaments where they were not invited they still easily make Blizzcon. You may have a problem with the points distribution of different tournaments particularly the GSL, the whole invite system, and the way the rich get richer, however invites have no bearing on whether MC or HyuN make Blizzcon.
I think the issue with Revival getting invited, sans the blatant bias most people had for wanting Naniwa in Blizzcon is that the norm has been to invite your MCs and your Hyuns, and deviating from that norm for one player at the very end is bullshit.
Furthermore this would give invites to Kespa players not take them away or unfavor them. In the completely arbitrary group of rankings that I suggested half of them are current Kespa with Pigbaby being former. This would allow your soo's and your rain's who don't usually get to foreign tournaments the chance to get more WCS points than just GSL performances. And with the "must advance a round" rule should they bomb out in the first place they get no points meaning they STILL need to prove themselves at the actual tournament. And if Snute received an invite, proved himself by advancing through the tournament and getting enough points to go to blizzcon, then he damn well deserved it. Same as MMA or Hero or Rain
A much fairer system than say MC and Hyun (who are very likely to show up anyway because they're supported by organizations that fly them around the world all the time) here is the potential for even more points that you don't in any way need while players like the three time consecutive GSL silver medalist sits in the GSL and quietly dominates but not enough to keep his blizcon spot safe.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
So? They still get invites for having points, and points for having invites. I feel like the WCS invites should go the more fringe players 13th-20th or so area where their chances at Blizzcon exist but they still need to prove themselves, before they get invites for the top guys who are just going to further the gap pointlessly
EDIT: Obviously I'm talking about WCS ranking based invites only. I fully support inviting the title defender and the Proleague MVP
Inviting the people at 13th-20th is an absolutely awful idea that would cause a huge problems. People would be throwing accusations that the people at Blizzcon are only there because the tournament organizers favoured them even more so than when they invite Hyun and MC. At least Hyun and MC are completely through, and their chances at Blizzcon aren't impacted by this at all. What do you think would happen if say Snute got an invite and pushed out a KeSPA player from Blizzcon because of this tournament. The KeSPA elitists that frequent this forum would go crazy. Do you remember the outcry that happened when Revival was invited to IEM last year when he was in 17th place?
On August 21 2014 05:45 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 21 2014 05:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 21 2014 04:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 21 2014 04:00 messioso wrote:
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all.
They have proved it. If you add up the points that they have gotten out of tournaments where they were not invited they still easily make Blizzcon. You may have a problem with the points distribution of different tournaments particularly the GSL, the whole invite system, and the way the rich get richer, however invites have no bearing on whether MC or HyuN make Blizzcon.
I think the issue with Revival getting invited, sans the blatant bias most people had for wanting Naniwa in Blizzcon is that the norm has been to invite your MCs and your Hyuns, and deviating from that norm for one player at the very end is bullshit.
Furthermore this would give invites to Kespa players not take them away or unfavor them. In the completely arbitrary group of rankings that I suggested half of them are current Kespa with Pigbaby being former. This would allow your soo's and your rain's who don't usually get to foreign tournaments the chance to get more WCS points than just GSL performances. And with the "must advance a round" rule should they bomb out in the first place they get no points meaning they STILL need to prove themselves at the actual tournament. And if Snute received an invite, proved himself by advancing through the tournament and getting enough points to go to blizzcon, then he damn well deserved it. Same as MMA or Hero or Rain
A much fairer system than say MC and Hyun (who are very likely to show up anyway because they're supported by organizations that fly them around the world all the time) here is the potential for even more points that you don't in any way need while players like the three time consecutive GSL silver medalist sits in the GSL and quietly dominates but not enough to keep his blizcon spot safe.
I don't agree. If Snute get points in a tournament after receiving an invite, and due to that succeeds in getting to Blizzcon instead of another player its hugely unfair towards that other player. If that other player had been invited to the tournament instead of Snute its likely that the positions would be reversed. An additional issue is that expecting impartial invites within that list of players from the tournament organizers is impossible. Inviting people like MC and Hyun is the less controversial option as it doesn't impact Blizzcon, and there is some systematic way (WCS points) of deciding the invites.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
So? They still get invites for having points, and points for having invites. I feel like the WCS invites should go the more fringe players 13th-20th or so area where their chances at Blizzcon exist but they still need to prove themselves, before they get invites for the top guys who are just going to further the gap pointlessly
EDIT: Obviously I'm talking about WCS ranking based invites only. I fully support inviting the title defender and the Proleague MVP
Inviting the people at 13th-20th is an absolutely awful idea that would cause a huge problems. People would be throwing accusations that the people at Blizzcon are only there because the tournament organizers favoured them even more so than when they invite Hyun and MC. At least Hyun and MC are completely through, and their chances at Blizzcon aren't impacted by this at all. What do you think would happen if say Snute got an invite and pushed out a KeSPA player from Blizzcon because of this tournament. The KeSPA elitists that frequent this forum would go crazy. Do you remember the outcry that happened when Revival was invited to IEM last year when he was in 17th place?
On August 21 2014 05:45 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 21 2014 05:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 21 2014 04:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 21 2014 04:00 messioso wrote:
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all.
They have proved it. If you add up the points that they have gotten out of tournaments where they were not invited they still easily make Blizzcon. You may have a problem with the points distribution of different tournaments particularly the GSL, the whole invite system, and the way the rich get richer, however invites have no bearing on whether MC or HyuN make Blizzcon.
I think the issue with Revival getting invited, sans the blatant bias most people had for wanting Naniwa in Blizzcon is that the norm has been to invite your MCs and your Hyuns, and deviating from that norm for one player at the very end is bullshit.
Furthermore this would give invites to Kespa players not take them away or unfavor them. In the completely arbitrary group of rankings that I suggested half of them are current Kespa with Pigbaby being former. This would allow your soo's and your rain's who don't usually get to foreign tournaments the chance to get more WCS points than just GSL performances. And with the "must advance a round" rule should they bomb out in the first place they get no points meaning they STILL need to prove themselves at the actual tournament. And if Snute received an invite, proved himself by advancing through the tournament and getting enough points to go to blizzcon, then he damn well deserved it. Same as MMA or Hero or Rain
A much fairer system than say MC and Hyun (who are very likely to show up anyway because they're supported by organizations that fly them around the world all the time) here is the potential for even more points that you don't in any way need while players like the three time consecutive GSL silver medalist sits in the GSL and quietly dominates but not enough to keep his blizcon spot safe.
I don't agree. If Snute get points in a tournament after receiving an invite, and due to that succeeds in getting to Blizzcon instead of another player its hugely unfair towards that other player. If that other player had been invited to the tournament instead of Snute its likely that the positions would be reversed. An additional issue is that expecting impartial invites within that list of players from the tournament organizers is impossible. Inviting people like MC and Hyun is the less controversial option as it doesn't impact Blizzcon, and there is some systematic way (WCS points) of deciding the invites.
The only problem I see with that view is that Snute in this hypothetical still needs to do something. That invite doesn't get him blizzcon. He still needs to perform at the event. Yes another player could have been invited instead and maybe the situation would be reversed. But at the same time Snute isn't exactly the player I'm talking about here either. Liquid likely would (as they already are) sending him to IEM regardless of an invite. This is more to the benefit of your Classic/Soo/Rain fringe.
But i do agree its the least controversial choice. Although for every invite we don't usually get to see those that declined so who knows who else IEM had lined up should any player say no
Someone's always going to be butthurt, but imo giving more points to those who already have points because they already have points is silly. Especially when those players travel around anyway
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
So? They still get invites for having points, and points for having invites. I feel like the WCS invites should go the more fringe players 13th-20th or so area where their chances at Blizzcon exist but they still need to prove themselves, before they get invites for the top guys who are just going to further the gap pointlessly
EDIT: Obviously I'm talking about WCS ranking based invites only. I fully support inviting the title defender and the Proleague MVP
Inviting the people at 13th-20th is an absolutely awful idea that would cause a huge problems. People would be throwing accusations that the people at Blizzcon are only there because the tournament organizers favoured them even more so than when they invite Hyun and MC. At least Hyun and MC are completely through, and their chances at Blizzcon aren't impacted by this at all. What do you think would happen if say Snute got an invite and pushed out a KeSPA player from Blizzcon because of this tournament. The KeSPA elitists that frequent this forum would go crazy. Do you remember the outcry that happened when Revival was invited to IEM last year when he was in 17th place?
On August 21 2014 05:45 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 21 2014 05:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 21 2014 04:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 21 2014 04:00 messioso wrote:
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all.
They have proved it. If you add up the points that they have gotten out of tournaments where they were not invited they still easily make Blizzcon. You may have a problem with the points distribution of different tournaments particularly the GSL, the whole invite system, and the way the rich get richer, however invites have no bearing on whether MC or HyuN make Blizzcon.
I think the issue with Revival getting invited, sans the blatant bias most people had for wanting Naniwa in Blizzcon is that the norm has been to invite your MCs and your Hyuns, and deviating from that norm for one player at the very end is bullshit.
Furthermore this would give invites to Kespa players not take them away or unfavor them. In the completely arbitrary group of rankings that I suggested half of them are current Kespa with Pigbaby being former. This would allow your soo's and your rain's who don't usually get to foreign tournaments the chance to get more WCS points than just GSL performances. And with the "must advance a round" rule should they bomb out in the first place they get no points meaning they STILL need to prove themselves at the actual tournament. And if Snute received an invite, proved himself by advancing through the tournament and getting enough points to go to blizzcon, then he damn well deserved it. Same as MMA or Hero or Rain
A much fairer system than say MC and Hyun (who are very likely to show up anyway because they're supported by organizations that fly them around the world all the time) here is the potential for even more points that you don't in any way need while players like the three time consecutive GSL silver medalist sits in the GSL and quietly dominates but not enough to keep his blizcon spot safe.
I don't agree. If Snute get points in a tournament after receiving an invite, and due to that succeeds in getting to Blizzcon instead of another player its hugely unfair towards that other player. If that other player had been invited to the tournament instead of Snute its likely that the positions would be reversed. An additional issue is that expecting impartial invites within that list of players from the tournament organizers is impossible. Inviting people like MC and Hyun is the less controversial option as it doesn't impact Blizzcon, and there is some systematic way (WCS points) of deciding the invites.
The only problem I see with that view is that Snute in this hypothetical still needs to do something. That invite doesn't get him blizzcon. He still needs to perform at the event. Yes another player could have been invited instead and maybe the situation would be reversed. But at the same time Snute isn't exactly the player I'm talking about here either. Liquid likely would (as they already are) sending him to IEM regardless of an invite. This is more to the benefit of your Classic/Soo/Rain fringe.
But i do agree its the least controversial choice. Although for every invite we don't usually get to see those that declined so who knows who else IEM had lined up should any player say no
Someone's always going to be butthurt, but imo giving more points to those who already have points because they already have points is silly. Especially when those players travel around anyway
I wonder if the points handed out during that bogus g3 tourney will make a difference for blizzcon The shitstorm would be glorious
On August 21 2014 07:26 zeratul_jf wrote: Im hoping that JD shows up and beats everyone and hopefully the brackets will allow for a Flash vs JD finals.
Maru is way too strong at this game
Maru must be sleepy. That is the only way that he might lose.
These groups are awesome, its crazy seeing First do so well again, it's like the meta has gone in a giant circle and is now ending up back where it was at the beginning of HotS haha.
I'm most hyped about Group C but that seems to be the minority... and Group A is for sure group of death with IMO the easiest group being Group D.
Really looking forward to this event as I haven't watched a premiere SC2 tournament live in a while!
On August 21 2014 10:20 ArTiFaKs wrote: These groups are awesome, its crazy seeing First do so well again, it's like the meta has gone in a giant circle and is now ending up back where it was at the beginning of HotS haha.
I'm most hyped about Group C but that seems to be the minority... and Group A is for sure group of death with IMO the easiest group being Group D.
Really looking forward to this event as I haven't watched a premiere SC2 tournament live in a while!
On August 21 2014 10:20 ArTiFaKs wrote: These groups are awesome, its crazy seeing First do so well again, it's like the meta has gone in a giant circle and is now ending up back where it was at the beginning of HotS haha.
I'm most hyped about Group C but that seems to be the minority... and Group A is for sure group of death with IMO the easiest group being Group D.
Really looking forward to this event as I haven't watched a premiere SC2 tournament live in a while!
I'm sorry but who even cares about First? He's got no personality, he hasn't accomplished anything, I just don't understand why people like people like First, or Yoda. Literally faceless and boring.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
So? They still get invites for having points, and points for having invites. I feel like the WCS invites should go the more fringe players 13th-20th or so area where their chances at Blizzcon exist but they still need to prove themselves, before they get invites for the top guys who are just going to further the gap pointlessly
EDIT: Obviously I'm talking about WCS ranking based invites only. I fully support inviting the title defender and the Proleague MVP
Inviting the people at 13th-20th is an absolutely awful idea that would cause a huge problems. People would be throwing accusations that the people at Blizzcon are only there because the tournament organizers favoured them even more so than when they invite Hyun and MC. At least Hyun and MC are completely through, and their chances at Blizzcon aren't impacted by this at all. What do you think would happen if say Snute got an invite and pushed out a KeSPA player from Blizzcon because of this tournament. The KeSPA elitists that frequent this forum would go crazy. Do you remember the outcry that happened when Revival was invited to IEM last year when he was in 17th place?
On August 21 2014 05:45 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 21 2014 05:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 21 2014 04:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 21 2014 04:00 messioso wrote:
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all.
They have proved it. If you add up the points that they have gotten out of tournaments where they were not invited they still easily make Blizzcon. You may have a problem with the points distribution of different tournaments particularly the GSL, the whole invite system, and the way the rich get richer, however invites have no bearing on whether MC or HyuN make Blizzcon.
I think the issue with Revival getting invited, sans the blatant bias most people had for wanting Naniwa in Blizzcon is that the norm has been to invite your MCs and your Hyuns, and deviating from that norm for one player at the very end is bullshit.
Furthermore this would give invites to Kespa players not take them away or unfavor them. In the completely arbitrary group of rankings that I suggested half of them are current Kespa with Pigbaby being former. This would allow your soo's and your rain's who don't usually get to foreign tournaments the chance to get more WCS points than just GSL performances. And with the "must advance a round" rule should they bomb out in the first place they get no points meaning they STILL need to prove themselves at the actual tournament. And if Snute received an invite, proved himself by advancing through the tournament and getting enough points to go to blizzcon, then he damn well deserved it. Same as MMA or Hero or Rain
A much fairer system than say MC and Hyun (who are very likely to show up anyway because they're supported by organizations that fly them around the world all the time) here is the potential for even more points that you don't in any way need while players like the three time consecutive GSL silver medalist sits in the GSL and quietly dominates but not enough to keep his blizcon spot safe.
I don't agree. If Snute get points in a tournament after receiving an invite, and due to that succeeds in getting to Blizzcon instead of another player its hugely unfair towards that other player. If that other player had been invited to the tournament instead of Snute its likely that the positions would be reversed. An additional issue is that expecting impartial invites within that list of players from the tournament organizers is impossible. Inviting people like MC and Hyun is the less controversial option as it doesn't impact Blizzcon, and there is some systematic way (WCS points) of deciding the invites.
The only problem I see with that view is that Snute in this hypothetical still needs to do something. That invite doesn't get him blizzcon. He still needs to perform at the event. Yes another player could have been invited instead and maybe the situation would be reversed. But at the same time Snute isn't exactly the player I'm talking about here either. Liquid likely would (as they already are) sending him to IEM regardless of an invite. This is more to the benefit of your Classic/Soo/Rain fringe.
But i do agree its the least controversial choice. Although for every invite we don't usually get to see those that declined so who knows who else IEM had lined up should any player say no
Someone's always going to be butthurt, but imo giving more points to those who already have points because they already have points is silly. Especially when those players travel around anyway
I wonder if the points handed out during that bogus g3 tourney will make a difference for blizzcon The shitstorm would be glorious
Bunny qualified though. I guess if the 375 points that Snute got matter. Luckily our saviors HyuN and MC monopolized two of the top 4 spots as usual to lessen the risk of it making a difference for blizzcon.
On August 21 2014 10:33 Less_Du_Et wrote: Why even have invites for tournaments? Let those spots be filled by more players from the qualifiers.
I agree with you 100%, invites based on wcs points have no upsides. Hyun + MC don't need the wcs points and they block spots from potential qualifiers! Let everybody qualify for an equal chance to get the money and wcs points instead of just the rich getting richer.
On August 21 2014 03:03 RKC wrote: How were the wild cards chosen? It just seems strange, almost unfair, that Zest and Flash has to fight through some gruelling dual qualifiers at the Asian level (they should have more representation, i feel), and the wild cards get a 'free ticket' straight into the group play (I would understand if they simply got into the open brackets). It's quite a bummer to those Koreans who participated at the qualifiers, but didn't make the cut.
Since it's fan favourites getting the wild cards, I suppose I see the commercial reasoning.
TaeJa won IEM Shenzhen so we invited him to defend his "title". sOs was sent by KeSPA as Proleague Round 4 MVP HyuN was #1 on WCS ranking MC was #2 on WCS ranking
Inviting based on WCS ranking is such crap. I can't stand it. It's a self fulfilling thing; MC and Hyun get lots of points because they get invited to everything and they get invited to everything because they have a lot of points.
Both Hyun and MC have both gotten almost enough points from the WCS circuit alone to qualify for Blizzcon. Even with no invites at all they would be at Blizzcon.
I'd like to see them prove it then. A tournament should not give WCS points if there are any invites at all.
WCS points should be the sole province of WCS itself and fully open tournaments, no invites or regional qualifiers. Korea should have double or triple the amount of points, and money, compared to other regions, a GSL Ro8 is easily as hard or harder than winning a mostly foreigner Lan.
Then, we can put a hard region lock in place because Korea will actually be worthwhile for Koreans. Boom, everybody wins, we get the best players at blizzcon, no one gets any freebies from invites, and the local NA and EU players actually have something realistic to play for.
Just watch GSL then and don't bother with WCS if it annoys you that much. You'll end up with the same thing anyway with your absurd "double or triple the amount of points".
On August 21 2014 18:46 SharpFlex wrote: Bunny Snute Maru and Jaedong from Open Bracket *-* Make it happen! Also what the fuck has Masa to do in this Tournament utter mismatch
Won the canadian qualifier. IEM always holds one spot for a national representative.
On August 21 2014 18:46 SharpFlex wrote: Bunny Snute Maru and Jaedong from Open Bracket *-* Make it happen! Also what the fuck has Masa to do in this Tournament utter mismatch
Won the canadian qualifier. IEM always holds one spot for a national representative.
He also qualified for IEM Shenzhen through IEM Season IX - Shenzhen/American Qualifier so anyone that doubts his legitimacy to be at this tournament needs to re-think things.
On August 21 2014 18:46 SharpFlex wrote: Bunny Snute Maru and Jaedong from Open Bracket *-* Make it happen! Also what the fuck has Masa to do in this Tournament utter mismatch
On August 21 2014 18:46 SharpFlex wrote: Bunny Snute Maru and Jaedong from Open Bracket *-* Make it happen! Also what the fuck has Masa to do in this Tournament utter mismatch
On August 21 2014 18:46 SharpFlex wrote: Bunny Snute Maru and Jaedong from Open Bracket *-* Make it happen! Also what the fuck has Masa to do in this Tournament utter mismatch
On August 21 2014 18:46 SharpFlex wrote: Bunny Snute Maru and Jaedong from Open Bracket *-* Make it happen! Also what the fuck has Masa to do in this Tournament utter mismatch
He rek'd Scarlett and Kane to get in (as well as a few others).
Gave Scarlett the ol' 3 cheese special. It was almost hilarious.
His TvZ is pretty sick outside of just cheese too so that's cool
I'm so excited to see Flash here now
Oh for sure, he's good in general. Don't mean to take anything away from him it was just a funny series.
And were you not excited for Flash before? With how he's been playing lately I really don't think anyone there can stop him. He's a huge favorite to win it all I'd say.
On August 21 2014 18:46 SharpFlex wrote: Bunny Snute Maru and Jaedong from Open Bracket *-* Make it happen! Also what the fuck has Masa to do in this Tournament utter mismatch
He rek'd Scarlett and Kane to get in (as well as a few others).
Gave Scarlett the ol' 3 cheese special. It was almost hilarious.
His TvZ is pretty sick outside of just cheese too so that's cool
I'm so excited to see Flash here now
Oh for sure, he's good in general. Don't mean to take anything away from him it was just a funny series.
And were you not excited for Flash before? With how he's been playing lately I really don't think anyone there can stop him. He's a huge favorite to win it all I'd say.
On paper yes, but he'll be out of his comfort zone and he didn't attend a lot of tournaments outside Korea, so his play at the IEM may be weaker than expected. Hopefully not, but a lot of KeSPA players underperform outside of Korea.
On August 21 2014 18:46 SharpFlex wrote: Bunny Snute Maru and Jaedong from Open Bracket *-* Make it happen! Also what the fuck has Masa to do in this Tournament utter mismatch
Won the canadian qualifier. IEM always holds one spot for a national representative.
He also qualified for IEM Shenzhen through IEM Season IX - Shenzhen/American Qualifier so anyone that doubts his legitimacy to be at this tournament needs to re-think things.
Sure, I was just answering the question, he asked and then prevented the follow-up question "Why is there a canadian qualifier".
On August 21 2014 18:46 SharpFlex wrote: Bunny Snute Maru and Jaedong from Open Bracket *-* Make it happen! Also what the fuck has Masa to do in this Tournament utter mismatch
He rek'd Scarlett and Kane to get in (as well as a few others).
Gave Scarlett the ol' 3 cheese special. It was almost hilarious.
His TvZ is pretty sick outside of just cheese too so that's cool
I'm so excited to see Flash here now
Oh for sure, he's good in general. Don't mean to take anything away from him it was just a funny series.
And were you not excited for Flash before? With how he's been playing lately I really don't think anyone there can stop him. He's a huge favorite to win it all I'd say.
He lost to Zest in the qualification process, I think, that would make Zest the favorite.
On August 21 2014 18:46 SharpFlex wrote: Bunny Snute Maru and Jaedong from Open Bracket *-* Make it happen! Also what the fuck has Masa to do in this Tournament utter mismatch
He rek'd Scarlett and Kane to get in (as well as a few others).
Gave Scarlett the ol' 3 cheese special. It was almost hilarious.
His TvZ is pretty sick outside of just cheese too so that's cool
I'm so excited to see Flash here now
Oh for sure, he's good in general. Don't mean to take anything away from him it was just a funny series.
And were you not excited for Flash before? With how he's been playing lately I really don't think anyone there can stop him. He's a huge favorite to win it all I'd say.
On paper yes, but he'll be out of his comfort zone and he didn't attend a lot of tournaments outside Korea, so his play at the IEM may be weaker than expected. Hopefully not, but a lot of KeSPA players underperform outside of Korea.
Seriously we can argue which group is the worst/hardest for the plyers coming through the open brackets but honestly, any of those groups is ridiculous !
On August 24 2014 22:55 Darrkhan wrote: Flash vs JD finals pls make it happen.
JD will never make it out of the open bracket xD
He looks weak more often than not these days, but you never know. Jaedong still qualified for WEC over Bomber, so if that Jaedong shows up, everything can happen.
On August 24 2014 22:55 Darrkhan wrote: Flash vs JD finals pls make it happen.
JD will never make it out of the open bracket xD
He looks weak more often than not these days, but you never know. Jaedong still qualified for WEC over Bomber, so if that Jaedong shows up, everything can happen.
On August 24 2014 22:55 Darrkhan wrote: Flash vs JD finals pls make it happen.
JD will never make it out of the open bracket xD
He looks weak more often than not these days, but you never know. Jaedong still qualified for WEC over Bomber, so if that Jaedong shows up, everything can happen.
that was before the patch though right?
Yeah I think so.
Edit: Lol actually no, that was after the patch^^.
herO is super good, so I'd say we don't lose in overall "level of play" (which is an impressive feat, congratz to the organisation for that !), but losing Maru is still a big hit. His play is so spectacular. And it was one of the only opportunities to see him play abroad, outside of PL/GSL. And with him gone, there really aren't many terrans left in the Open Bracket.
Dammit maru! However, I knew he was on the bubble due to his GSL group date. He would have almost no time to prepare for his group after iem and would get back to korea with only like a day left before his group. Thankfully Flash's group is last, so he can still go to iem!
On August 26 2014 02:31 Pandain wrote: I wish we could see end of the year 2013 Jaedong vs. modern day Flash. I just fear that if they meet it will be an absolutely one sided slaughter
On August 26 2014 03:27 j4vz wrote: OMG i just bet money on Maru winning the whole thing with a friend, the tournament is not even started and I already lost nooooooo
On August 26 2014 06:51 cpower wrote: WTH maru? you have been in Toronto before, why cancel? I was so sure a terran would take the crown this time but less sure about that now.
On August 26 2014 06:51 cpower wrote: WTH maru? you have been in Toronto before, why cancel? I was so sure a terran would take the crown this time but less sure about that now.
In Flash we trust.
herO, Zest and $o$ would have sth to say about that lol
On August 26 2014 06:51 cpower wrote: WTH maru? you have been in Toronto before, why cancel? I was so sure a terran would take the crown this time but less sure about that now.
In Flash we trust.
herO, Zest and $o$ would have sth to say about that lol
On August 26 2014 06:51 cpower wrote: WTH maru? you have been in Toronto before, why cancel? I was so sure a terran would take the crown this time but less sure about that now.
In Flash we trust.
herO, Zest and $o$ would have sth to say about that lol
Flash stomped herO and $o$ last few times they played so i dont think so.. however Zest maybe but Zest says he loses to Flash 80-90% of the time in practice so... In Flash we trust
On August 26 2014 06:51 cpower wrote: WTH maru? you have been in Toronto before, why cancel? I was so sure a terran would take the crown this time but less sure about that now.
In Flash we trust.
herO, Zest and $o$ would have sth to say about that lol
Flash stomped herO and $o$ last few times they played so i dont think so.. however Zest maybe but Zest says he loses to Flash 80-90% of the time in practice so... In Flash we trust
i dunno if it was IEM qualifiers or Kespa cup but he had some more impressive victories, most 2-0 vs absolute top tier zergs and only 2-1 vs Maru.
On August 26 2014 13:15 kottbullar wrote: Since Snute's already out of WCS, will this be his last chance to gain more Blizzcon pts ? Not looking good...
He'll play DreamHack Stockholm too, maybe Moscow as well.
On August 26 2014 13:15 kottbullar wrote: Since Snute's already out of WCS, will this be his last chance to gain more Blizzcon pts ? Not looking good...
He'll play DreamHack Stockholm too, maybe Moscow as well.
I dont really understand why there still seems to be no one going to moscow. Golden, Patience, Happy... and thats it. I mean really? there is 750 to the winner! If someone like Life or Maru went there it would be like an auto win for them (ok not auto but still)
EPT
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Polt vs Open Bracket
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Jaedong Finals plz plz plz plz plz 
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