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On August 07 2014 03:58 shid0x wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 03:52 Josh_Video wrote:On August 07 2014 03:44 meshfusion wrote:On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 06 2014 23:39 Faust852 wrote:
Looks like pros don't really want to go to Russia :} We're not sending players for a couple of reasons. Firstly, Russias rampant homophobia. Not only is it morally repugnant, but it puts our players at risk. Korean males are culturally very comfortable with being close to each other. Holding hands, sitting on others laps etc, not at all uncommon. In Russia this could be mistaken for gay behavior and may result in misunderstandings that could even lead to violence. There are plenty of incidents where gay or "we thought he was gay" people have been beaten in Russia. Secondly, Russias belligerence in how they're acting with the Ukraine is reason enough to keep our players out on both moral grounds and with concern to their own safety. TB, I love you and your team but to read this is pretty painful. First of all this whole "homophobia" thing is completely blew out of scale by the western media that tried to depict Russia as a country dangerous for gay people- it's not as easy as in some place like California but it's far from the worst. Your post unfortunately denotes a huge amount of ignorance on actual facts and about Russia itself, but I know it's not your fault because you're also brainwashed by western media. Russia has a huge amount of Chinese and southern east Asia visitors who - just like Koreans - act the way you described and there's never episodes like the one you describe where there's episodes that could lead to violence, especially on foreigners. Second, the U.S. itself has some of the most homophobic states (and most racist states too) but you never hear about someone not sending players to a certain state because they're racist and homophobic there. Also, most of the allies of the U.S. (i.e. Saudi Arabia) execute homosexual people and put them in jail. Then Obama goes on TV and says he has no patience for countries that have homophobic remarks like Russia but forgets about their buddies like those middle eastern states from which they get oil from. And then someone like you thinks damn he's right and just pictures Russia as the bad guys forgetting EVERY super-power (US, Russia, China) is equally bad for different reasons. Some western people are so stupid to think to "boycott" Russia for this homophobia reason - which as I said is nothing more than a huge media thing against Russia that started pre-olympics due to tensions that were rising over Snowden and other issues - but you never see some American, UK or EU citizen boycott vacation in Dubai, despite the fact that it's a city built on slavery and where there are some of the strongest anti-gay laws. The view that one country is evil (Russia) and one is good (US, UK or whatever) just shows how much naive you are and the hilarious thing is that you're trying to come out as a good guy for boycotting Russia's event or rather, you have a valid reason not to support Russia- but really, what you're showing is your narrow fielded view. The U.S. does just as many bad things as Russia, and historically speaking have done even more. You probably must not know how things are in China- because you don't boycott there but that country is on far worst human rights ground than Russia and U.S. Before you think I am biased because I am Russian, I want to tell you two things: One is that I lived most of my life in California, one year in the UK and the least amount itself in Russia and when I come back here I always remember how unfair Russians are treated by the rest of the west, especially lately. You are doing nothing more than a disservice for Russian fans. There's aton of Russian SC2 fans, and I know myself a lot of people who love (or maybe now loved) your team and players but reading this stuff is pretty sad and pathetic sorry. This boycott thing working just shows how good the U.S. media campaign is really, nothing more I don't think hes trying to "Boycott" DH Moscow, hes just looking out for the safety and welfare of his players. Well i don't really know if you can make a parallel but in business when you send a manager overseas he is the one that has to adapt to the local culture, he does not run the same policies as he would back home. Same goes for the players, they need to adapt ; this is how the world work. Their manager needs to tell them how Russian culture work and they can SURELY stop holding hands and such for a few days.. Also this kinda makes me sick how everyone is biased toward russia. Stop watching rutube videos and just come to moscow for a while, this isn't so bad...
Or y'know we could just, not send them instead.
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Czech Republic12133 Posts
On August 07 2014 03:55 KingAlphard wrote:
What about all the other progamers?
Would be nice to hear from them why they aren't attending.
But then maybe dreamhack is just trolling us and the other 20 players are all top foreigners/koreans.
I am happy that there are so many Russian players, imagine DH in NA, how many US players would be there? Europe holds! 
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On August 07 2014 03:54 Cinek357 wrote:
Notice that since World War II there was not a single war between two big democratic countries. Not a single one. We can blame all the countries in the world, USA especially, but notice that if you are quite a normal country with democraticly chosen politicians, you will not be attacked by another democratic country.
However, there are some countries that do not care at all about things like democracy. Russia attacked Georgia in 2008 and now they are doing the same thing with Ukraine. I am aware of fact we can't call Ukraine 100% democratic country, as it's goverment is in power due to people's revolt, but Ukraine is surely taking steps towards democracy.
Every country in the world has it's shades. But some of them are darker than others.
Wasn't it proven that Georgia attacked? During war CNN was saying all the time that russia attacked agaisnt peaceful nation that wanted to join NATO. After war CNN also said that it was Georgia who attacked.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 07 2014 03:58 shid0x wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 03:52 Josh_Video wrote:On August 07 2014 03:44 meshfusion wrote:On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 06 2014 23:39 Faust852 wrote:
Looks like pros don't really want to go to Russia :} We're not sending players for a couple of reasons. Firstly, Russias rampant homophobia. Not only is it morally repugnant, but it puts our players at risk. Korean males are culturally very comfortable with being close to each other. Holding hands, sitting on others laps etc, not at all uncommon. In Russia this could be mistaken for gay behavior and may result in misunderstandings that could even lead to violence. There are plenty of incidents where gay or "we thought he was gay" people have been beaten in Russia. Secondly, Russias belligerence in how they're acting with the Ukraine is reason enough to keep our players out on both moral grounds and with concern to their own safety. TB, I love you and your team but to read this is pretty painful. First of all this whole "homophobia" thing is completely blew out of scale by the western media that tried to depict Russia as a country dangerous for gay people- it's not as easy as in some place like California but it's far from the worst. Your post unfortunately denotes a huge amount of ignorance on actual facts and about Russia itself, but I know it's not your fault because you're also brainwashed by western media. Russia has a huge amount of Chinese and southern east Asia visitors who - just like Koreans - act the way you described and there's never episodes like the one you describe where there's episodes that could lead to violence, especially on foreigners. Second, the U.S. itself has some of the most homophobic states (and most racist states too) but you never hear about someone not sending players to a certain state because they're racist and homophobic there. Also, most of the allies of the U.S. (i.e. Saudi Arabia) execute homosexual people and put them in jail. Then Obama goes on TV and says he has no patience for countries that have homophobic remarks like Russia but forgets about their buddies like those middle eastern states from which they get oil from. And then someone like you thinks damn he's right and just pictures Russia as the bad guys forgetting EVERY super-power (US, Russia, China) is equally bad for different reasons. Some western people are so stupid to think to "boycott" Russia for this homophobia reason - which as I said is nothing more than a huge media thing against Russia that started pre-olympics due to tensions that were rising over Snowden and other issues - but you never see some American, UK or EU citizen boycott vacation in Dubai, despite the fact that it's a city built on slavery and where there are some of the strongest anti-gay laws. The view that one country is evil (Russia) and one is good (US, UK or whatever) just shows how much naive you are and the hilarious thing is that you're trying to come out as a good guy for boycotting Russia's event or rather, you have a valid reason not to support Russia- but really, what you're showing is your narrow fielded view. The U.S. does just as many bad things as Russia, and historically speaking have done even more. You probably must not know how things are in China- because you don't boycott there but that country is on far worst human rights ground than Russia and U.S. Before you think I am biased because I am Russian, I want to tell you two things: One is that I lived most of my life in California, one year in the UK and the least amount itself in Russia and when I come back here I always remember how unfair Russians are treated by the rest of the west, especially lately. You are doing nothing more than a disservice for Russian fans. There's aton of Russian SC2 fans, and I know myself a lot of people who love (or maybe now loved) your team and players but reading this stuff is pretty sad and pathetic sorry. This boycott thing working just shows how good the U.S. media campaign is really, nothing more I don't think hes trying to "Boycott" DH Moscow, hes just looking out for the safety and welfare of his players. Well i don't really know if you can make a parallel but in business when you send a manager overseas he is the one that has to adapt to the local culture, he does not run the same policies as he would back home. Same goes for the players, they need to adapt ; this is how the world work. Their manager needs to tell them how Russian culture work and they can SURELY stop holding hands and such for a few days.. Also this kinda makes me sick how everyone is biased toward russia. Stop watching rutube videos and just come to moscow for a while, this isn't so bad...
Do you think having to adapt to a different culture out of fear of being physically hurt otherwise is fine?
Now, I'm not saying that's necessarily the case - I don't know how people would react if a few men held hands or cuddled in the middle of Moscow, but the prospect of having to act differently from how you normally do because someone might hurt you otherwise isn't exactly a good incentive to go.
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On August 07 2014 03:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 03:55 KingAlphard wrote:
So Axiom isn't there for political reasons,. *flips a fucking table and walks out* This is why people think transparency is a bad idea, it's better to say nothing at all.
TB, I know we weren't always on the same side in different discussions, but should I have ever been so obviously wrong to you, I want to deeply apologize for that.
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On August 07 2014 03:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 03:58 shid0x wrote:On August 07 2014 03:52 Josh_Video wrote:On August 07 2014 03:44 meshfusion wrote:On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 06 2014 23:39 Faust852 wrote:
Looks like pros don't really want to go to Russia :} We're not sending players for a couple of reasons. Firstly, Russias rampant homophobia. Not only is it morally repugnant, but it puts our players at risk. Korean males are culturally very comfortable with being close to each other. Holding hands, sitting on others laps etc, not at all uncommon. In Russia this could be mistaken for gay behavior and may result in misunderstandings that could even lead to violence. There are plenty of incidents where gay or "we thought he was gay" people have been beaten in Russia. Secondly, Russias belligerence in how they're acting with the Ukraine is reason enough to keep our players out on both moral grounds and with concern to their own safety. TB, I love you and your team but to read this is pretty painful. First of all this whole "homophobia" thing is completely blew out of scale by the western media that tried to depict Russia as a country dangerous for gay people- it's not as easy as in some place like California but it's far from the worst. Your post unfortunately denotes a huge amount of ignorance on actual facts and about Russia itself, but I know it's not your fault because you're also brainwashed by western media. Russia has a huge amount of Chinese and southern east Asia visitors who - just like Koreans - act the way you described and there's never episodes like the one you describe where there's episodes that could lead to violence, especially on foreigners. Second, the U.S. itself has some of the most homophobic states (and most racist states too) but you never hear about someone not sending players to a certain state because they're racist and homophobic there. Also, most of the allies of the U.S. (i.e. Saudi Arabia) execute homosexual people and put them in jail. Then Obama goes on TV and says he has no patience for countries that have homophobic remarks like Russia but forgets about their buddies like those middle eastern states from which they get oil from. And then someone like you thinks damn he's right and just pictures Russia as the bad guys forgetting EVERY super-power (US, Russia, China) is equally bad for different reasons. Some western people are so stupid to think to "boycott" Russia for this homophobia reason - which as I said is nothing more than a huge media thing against Russia that started pre-olympics due to tensions that were rising over Snowden and other issues - but you never see some American, UK or EU citizen boycott vacation in Dubai, despite the fact that it's a city built on slavery and where there are some of the strongest anti-gay laws. The view that one country is evil (Russia) and one is good (US, UK or whatever) just shows how much naive you are and the hilarious thing is that you're trying to come out as a good guy for boycotting Russia's event or rather, you have a valid reason not to support Russia- but really, what you're showing is your narrow fielded view. The U.S. does just as many bad things as Russia, and historically speaking have done even more. You probably must not know how things are in China- because you don't boycott there but that country is on far worst human rights ground than Russia and U.S. Before you think I am biased because I am Russian, I want to tell you two things: One is that I lived most of my life in California, one year in the UK and the least amount itself in Russia and when I come back here I always remember how unfair Russians are treated by the rest of the west, especially lately. You are doing nothing more than a disservice for Russian fans. There's aton of Russian SC2 fans, and I know myself a lot of people who love (or maybe now loved) your team and players but reading this stuff is pretty sad and pathetic sorry. This boycott thing working just shows how good the U.S. media campaign is really, nothing more I don't think hes trying to "Boycott" DH Moscow, hes just looking out for the safety and welfare of his players. Well i don't really know if you can make a parallel but in business when you send a manager overseas he is the one that has to adapt to the local culture, he does not run the same policies as he would back home. Same goes for the players, they need to adapt ; this is how the world work. Their manager needs to tell them how Russian culture work and they can SURELY stop holding hands and such for a few days.. Also this kinda makes me sick how everyone is biased toward russia. Stop watching rutube videos and just come to moscow for a while, this isn't so bad... Or y'know we could just, not send them instead.
Indeed, but its a bit disappointing considering AX player rooster caliber.
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On August 07 2014 03:58 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 03:55 KingAlphard wrote:
So Axiom isn't there for political reasons, what about all the other progamers?
Would be nice to hear from them why they aren't attending.
But then maybe dreamhack is just trolling us and the other 20 players are all top foreigners/koreans. What? TB just said, that it has nothing to do with politics: Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 03:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:
[...] however this decision as I've already said (and you elected to ignore) has nothing to do with any kind of political boycott.
Please at least read the posts in here, before saying such stuff.
I read the whole post. I didn't mean political boycott, homophobia in a specific country has to do with politics, that's what I meant. I edited the post anyway, but sorry if it sounded ambiguous.
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On August 07 2014 04:02 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 03:58 Xoronius wrote:On August 07 2014 03:55 KingAlphard wrote:
So Axiom isn't there for political reasons, what about all the other progamers?
Would be nice to hear from them why they aren't attending.
But then maybe dreamhack is just trolling us and the other 20 players are all top foreigners/koreans. What? TB just said, that it has nothing to do with politics: On August 07 2014 03:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:
[...] however this decision as I've already said (and you elected to ignore) has nothing to do with any kind of political boycott.
Please at least read the posts in here, before saying such stuff. I read the whole post. I didn't mean political boycott, homophobia in a specific country has to do with politics, that's what I meant. I edited the post anyway, but sorry if it sounded ambiguous.
TB main point was about safety, not politics.
Edit- Oops just read the mod post at top.
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On August 07 2014 04:02 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 03:58 Xoronius wrote:On August 07 2014 03:55 KingAlphard wrote:
So Axiom isn't there for political reasons, what about all the other progamers?
Would be nice to hear from them why they aren't attending.
But then maybe dreamhack is just trolling us and the other 20 players are all top foreigners/koreans. What? TB just said, that it has nothing to do with politics: On August 07 2014 03:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:
[...] however this decision as I've already said (and you elected to ignore) has nothing to do with any kind of political boycott.
Please at least read the posts in here, before saying such stuff. I read the whole post. I didn't mean political boycott, homophobia in a specific country has to do with politics, that's what I meant. I edited the post anyway, but sorry if it sounded ambiguous.
Homophobia is not a political issue anymore than racism is. It's just bigotry, simple as that. It's not something you can debate. Gay marriage is a political issue. Beating gay people in the street is just hatred.
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Russian Federation232 Posts
On August 07 2014 03:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 03:44 meshfusion wrote:On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 06 2014 23:39 Faust852 wrote:
Looks like pros don't really want to go to Russia :} We're not sending players for a couple of reasons. Firstly, Russias rampant homophobia. Not only is it morally repugnant, but it puts our players at risk. Korean males are culturally very comfortable with being close to each other. Holding hands, sitting on others laps etc, not at all uncommon. In Russia this could be mistaken for gay behavior and may result in misunderstandings that could even lead to violence. There are plenty of incidents where gay or "we thought he was gay" people have been beaten in Russia. Secondly, Russias belligerence in how they're acting with the Ukraine is reason enough to keep our players out on both moral grounds and with concern to their own safety. TB, I love you and your team but to read this is pretty painful. First of all this whole "homophobia" thing is completely blew out of scale by the western media that tried to depict Russia as a country dangerous for gay people- it's not as easy as in some place like California but it's far from the worst. Your post unfortunately denotes a huge amount of ignorance on actual facts and about Russia itself, but I know it's not your fault because you're also brainwashed by western media. Russia has a huge amount of Chinese and southern east Asia visitors who - just like Koreans - act the way you described and there's never episodes like the one you describe where there's episodes that could lead to violence, especially on foreigners. Second, the U.S. itself has some of the most homophobic states (and most racist states too) but you never hear about someone not sending players to a certain state because they're racist and homophobic there. Also, most of the allies of the U.S. (i.e. Saudi Arabia) execute homosexual people and put them in jail. Then Obama goes on TV and says he has no patience for countries that have homophobic remarks like Russia but forgets about their buddies like those middle eastern states from which they get oil from. And then someone like you thinks damn he's right and just pictures Russia as the bad guys forgetting EVERY super-power (US, Russia, China) is equally bad for different reasons. Some western people are so stupid to think to "boycott" Russia for this homophobia reason - which as I said is nothing more than a huge media thing against Russia that started pre-olympics due to tensions that were rising over Snowden and other issues - but you never see some American, UK or EU citizen boycott vacation in Dubai, despite the fact that it's a city built on slavery and where there are some of the strongest anti-gay laws. The view that one country is evil (Russia) and one is good (US, UK or whatever) just shows how much naive you are and the hilarious thing is that you're trying to come out as a good guy for boycotting Russia's event or rather, you have a valid reason not to support Russia- but really, what you're showing is your narrow fielded view. The U.S. does just as many bad things as Russia, and historically speaking have done even more. You probably must not know how things are in China- because you don't boycott there but that country is on far worst human rights ground than Russia and U.S. Before you think I am biased because I am Russian, I want to tell you two things: One is that I lived most of my life in California, one year in the UK and the least amount itself in Russia and when I come back here I always remember how unfair Russians are treated by the rest of the west, especially lately. You are doing nothing more than a disservice for Russian fans. There's aton of Russian SC2 fans, and I know myself a lot of people who love (or maybe now loved) your team and players but reading this stuff is pretty sad and pathetic sorry. This boycott thing working just shows how good the U.S. media campaign is really, nothing more Thanks your opinion but I'm not putting my players at risk because of some guys post on a forum. As an FYI I absolutely would not send my players to Dubai nor ever visit there for the reasons you just mentioned, however this decision as I've already said (and you elected to ignore) has nothing to do with any kind of political boycott.
For sure, I am not here trying to convince you otherwise (i.e. send the players because I said so).
I just wanted to point out that your opinion comes from wrong/biased facts that are not accurate and hence you're trying to do something (protecting your players) from a completely non existent threat.
Of course me posting won't make you change your mind I am aware of that, and that's why I think the media machine does a very good job. As someone who is constantly in the U.S. and Russia I can see how my American friends are completely brainwashed about what Russia or Russians are like. I am disappointed you are too but I realize it's not your fault, probably you just listen to all the media bullshit that gets spit out and trust it. I am disappointed because I am an Axiom fan and to read that you want to try to take care of a non existing reason it's sad and hilarious at the same time.
I hope things will ease out between Russia and U.S. in the next year and hopefully if there's another event you are gonna send the players there. Russia has a HUGE sc2 playerbase and fanbase and if EU in particular took better care of it the viewing numbers would be a lot better. Lastly, I would like to tell you that your players here would probably get the opposite of what you think, Russians are some of the most welcoming and friendly people with foreigners ever.
Good you mentioned Dubai, what about China then? They execute people there all the time for no reason, murder and kidnap people for illegal organ trades, internet and media is censored, etc. there's so much wrong shit going on in China it makes the U.S. and Russia look almost clean- but never seen the Sc2 community boycott there... wonder why? Because the U.S. has only been blasting its propaganda machine against Russia for almost one year or so now and people see Russia as the bad guy, when in fact, most big super powers are bad and some way worst (like China) but people are not aware or don't think about it.
I will still support your players and Heart in particular, but I am sure you lost many Russian fans for your decision, which I am sure you perhaps don't care much but it's sad to see so much misinformation coming on your end.
Best of luck to the team and congrats on the new sponsor.
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On August 07 2014 04:02 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 03:58 Xoronius wrote:On August 07 2014 03:55 KingAlphard wrote:
So Axiom isn't there for political reasons, what about all the other progamers?
Would be nice to hear from them why they aren't attending.
But then maybe dreamhack is just trolling us and the other 20 players are all top foreigners/koreans. What? TB just said, that it has nothing to do with politics: On August 07 2014 03:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:
[...] however this decision as I've already said (and you elected to ignore) has nothing to do with any kind of political boycott.
Please at least read the posts in here, before saying such stuff. I read the whole post. I didn't mean political boycott, homophobia in a specific country has to do with politics that's what I meant. I edited the post anyway, but sorry if it sounded ambiguous.
Dw, everyone overreads stuff sometimes. But tbh. reading TB's answer in his voice and the tone, he would probably said it in was definitly worth it, so thank you for the original post I guess. To your original question: Dh has done the same thing before, not revealing their headliners in the first batch. Maybe it is to lure a few more good people into the tourney, when they see this lineup and then announcing all of those simultaniously.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
This is not the thread for discussing Russia's policies or the world's biases. Keep the politics discussion to a thread more suited for it.
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I saw brat_ok streaming. You think he's going to attend the event and come out of retirement?
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United States33698 Posts
I'm excited to see how much more swole slivko has become since we last saw him
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Russian Federation134 Posts
Really unfortunate that the first big international sc2 event in Moscow will be happening under these circumstances. The absence of a visa free regime between EU and Russia doesn't help either.
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Cool to see so many russian players. Hopefully more finns attend.
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On August 07 2014 04:14 ptbl wrote:
I saw brat_ok streaming. You think he's going to attend the event and come out of retirement?
I think, if he would be coming out of retirement, it would be more of a one-time-thing than a permanent return.
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On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 23:39 Faust852 wrote:
Looks like pros don't really want to go to Russia :} We're not sending players for a couple of reasons. Firstly, Russias rampant homophobia. Not only is it morally repugnant, but it puts our players at risk. Korean males are culturally very comfortable with being close to each other. Holding hands, sitting on others laps etc, not at all uncommon. In Russia this could be mistaken for gay behavior and may result in misunderstandings that could even lead to violence. There are plenty of incidents where gay or "we thought he was gay" people have been beaten in Russia. Secondly, Russias belligerence in how they're acting with the Ukraine is reason enough to keep our players out on both moral grounds and with concern to their own safety. EDIT: Since this is now linked on Reddit and they probably won't read my followup post. I'm reposting that here. It's just a really sad state of affairs. I have quite a lot of Russian fans, so does the team, but the safety of the players has to come first. The political reasoning isn't even that important, almost every country does something objectionable. Should we not send players to the US because of the arguably illegal wars its waged in the past or the whole spying on its own citizens thing? You'd be short on tournaments to go to if you started doing that. The homophobic violence however is a very real thing and don't count on thugs to know the difference between gay people and typical Korean male social closeness. This homophobia, pushed by those in power, is deliberately divisive. Unite the country by persecuting a minority within it, differentiate yourselves from other countries that are more accepting, utilize the galvinisation against said minority as a banner to rally behind and in turn, rally against countries who the population now perceives as different and "the enemy". It's sad that this can still work in the internet age, though I think we are getting to the point where it is losing its effectiveness. It's hard to view other people in other countries as enemies when you interact with them every day online and see that they're just another human being like us. So the primary reason for not sending our players is the safety concern. If we had someone on the ground who spoke Russian that we could trust we would probably be more open to the idea, but we don't, so we'd rather not send our players into that environment. Not sending our players should not be considered a boycott of the event, we just want to risk our players well-being when there are other events they could attend that don't carry those risks.
What is this talk of Moscow? The title of most dangerous Esports hood still belongs to Krefeld, especially for Brits like you. 
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When I lived in Novosibirsk, Russia, all of the Koreans never felt really safe. Afraid of walking by themselves and being attacked because they are asian, but nothing ever happened. Yes, Russia can be dangerous, but so can anywhere. You just need to be consciously aware of your surroundings. I honestly feel like nothing would happen to the Axiom players if they went, but if TB wants to play it safe, then let him play it safe. Better safe than sorry.
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On August 07 2014 01:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Secondly, Russias belligerence in how they're acting with the Ukraine is reason enough to keep our players out on both moral grounds and with concern to their own safety.
Thank you for you support, TB. You mentioned specifically that it's not your primary reason for DH boycott, but still, that means a lot. I've been your fan since Blue Plz! and I also know people from Donetsk who lost their homes after artillery strikes. Some people will tell you that all of this is Ukraine's fault. I'm glad you're not listening to them.
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