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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On August 06 2014 21:41 SuperHofmann wrote: That's it. And I think someone can also think "I don't wanto to go in a nation that generate a war". I still fail to see, how that has anything to do with a SC tournament. You drive in, play Starcraft, drive out again without interfering with russian army or politics at all. | ||
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On August 06 2014 21:39 ZAiNs wrote: ??? How can there be only 20 more players? it's called mathematics | ||
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Cinek357
Poland119 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On August 06 2014 22:07 Cinek357 wrote: So do you guys think it's okay for Ukrainian players to attend DH Moscow? Why it wouldn't be? It's up to them. If they feel like they can't go to Russia due this crisis, then they can't go. Nobody can decide that for them. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On August 06 2014 22:07 Cinek357 wrote: So do you guys think it's okay for Ukrainian players to attend DH Moscow? Yes, sure, why wouldn't it be? | ||
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Vete
Germany190 Posts
It is their own decision | ||
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Cinek357
Poland119 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
I mean, there are way more than 20 players I would have thought would definitely be going who aren't on this list. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On August 06 2014 22:31 Cinek357 wrote: Well, both nations are fighting a war. Not a full scale war, but their forces are fighting each other and people are dying. Personally I would find it strange to see Ukrainian player casually showing up in Moscow to play Starcraft 2 tournament. Unless he supports Russia in this conflict. Or he doesn't care about it. Well, it is their job after all. If they personally decide for themselve, that they don't want to go, than it's their own decesion, but if they go, they shouldn't be judged for that in any way. In the end, this is a tournament by a swedish organization for russian esports fans, it's not like Putin or the russian nation is sponsoring DH or even being represented there. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On August 06 2014 22:36 Xoronius wrote: Well, it is their job after all. If they personally decide for themselve, that they don't want to go, than it's their own decesion, but if they go, they shouldn't be judged for that in any way. In the end, this is a tournament by a swedish organization for russian esports fans, it's not like Putin or the russian nation is sponsoring DH or even being represented there. On the other hand, they won't be able to play because afaik, you can't go abroad from Ukraine if you're Ukranian and you're old enough to be in military. Because of it, a lot of my friends just hide from military because they just don't wanna die because of some ridiculous reason. | ||
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Pontius Pirate
United States1557 Posts
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DeadByDawn
United Kingdom476 Posts
A shame that it could not have been reconvened in another, better, country but at the end of the day it is a Swedish eSports competition not a Russian one. Hopefully, they will choose the location more carefully next time - DreamHack North Korea anyone? I agree that the lineup looks weak at the moment - but maybe we will see some lesser used strats? | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On August 06 2014 23:04 DeadByDawn wrote: Somehow normal interactions with Russia after they helped the Ukrainian separatists murder a plane load of civilians just seems wrong. The World Cup is in Russia in 2018 but that is a case of an extremely corrupt organization holding its competition in an extremely corrupt country - seems appropriate. A shame that it could not have been reconvened in another, better, country but at the end of the day it is a Swedish eSports competition not a Russian one. Hopefully, they will choose the location more carefully next time - DreamHack North Korea anyone? I agree that the lineup looks weak at the moment - but maybe we will see some lesser used strats? And again I ask: What does that have to do with esports? This tournament is not benefitting Russia as a nation or the russian army or politics. It is there to benefit the russian esports fans, who have been part of the scene for ages without ever getting the premier tournament they deserve. Is it to much to give it to them? | ||
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DeadByDawn
United Kingdom476 Posts
On August 06 2014 23:16 Xoronius wrote: And again I ask: What does that have to do with esports? This tournament is not benefitting Russia as a nation or the russian army or politics. It is there to benefit the russian esports fans, who have been part of the scene for ages without ever getting the premier tournament they deserve. Is it to much to give it to them? Maybe nothing, maybe we should have no morals about this. Games in Nazi Germany, OK, games in North Korea, OK, games in Apartheid-era South Africa, OK. I do not think that the competition should be canceled but I do hope that there is some regret about holding it there. | ||
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noobPride
Spain333 Posts
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meshfusion
Russian Federation232 Posts
On August 06 2014 21:41 SuperHofmann wrote: That's it. And I think someone can also think "I don't wanto to go in a nation that generate a war". lol that's hilarious to read. it's not scary nor dangerous and russia and moscow in particular is completely filled with tourists, especially this time of the year (and september will be too) if you feel it's scary or dangerous you're probably watching too much CNN or similar western countern part that just trash talk russia. i am actually against what russia has done in Ukraine/Crimea and so forth, but to say that it's scary or dangerous it's a huge idiocy. also the "i don't want to go into a nation that generate(s?) a war" is silly. No war has happened yet (although the one going in eastern Ukraine could definitely be called a civil war) and if you think that what happened is entirely russia's fault you must be very naive. with that said, for the people comparing coming to Russia for esports to nazi germany or north korea actually baffle me beyond comprehension you guys are completely brain washed. Russia is not at all what nazi germany or north korea are, it's kind of amusing to read comment of people who have been entirely brain washed. There's a ton of Russian SC2 fans that would love to attend an event filled with top korean pros and I hope some come  | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
And not looking good for Serral at this point. :I http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2cs15m/dreamhack_moscow_first_players_announced/cjigtmg | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On August 06 2014 23:21 DeadByDawn wrote: Maybe nothing, maybe we should have no morals about this. Games in Nazi Germany, OK, games in North Korea, OK, games in Apartheid-era South Africa, OK. I do not think that the competition should be canceled but I do hope that there is some regret about holding it there. You mention morals without explaining, what is morally wrong here. Again, this competetion does not benefit russia. If it would benefit Russia, we could start talking about morals. Since it does not benefit Russia, but only russian esports fans, morals are not part of the decesion on where to hold the tournament. We have to be realistic about our own size here. Esports has (contrary to FIFA 2018, which was mentioned earlier) not yet gotten big enough to have any real political influence. This tournament is not given to Russia because Russia asked for it or Russia wanted it, it is there, because russian fans are contributing to esports the same way everyone else does and they deserve the same reward as everyone else gets in getting the chance to attend to a live premier tournament. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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