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This is not a political discussion.
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
August 07 2014 17:08 GMT
#261
Wish Dreamhack would have chosen a different country. Like Canada or something would have been sick.
Favorite players: Gh and Zai
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
August 07 2014 17:10 GMT
#262
On August 08 2014 02:08 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Wish Dreamhack would have chosen a different country. Like Canada or something would have been sick.

Canada already has IEM. Russia has nothing big besides DH.
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
August 07 2014 17:11 GMT
#263
On August 08 2014 02:08 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Wish Dreamhack would have chosen a different country. Like Canada or something would have been sick.

Canada already has IEM and Finland is its European equivalent!
don't wall off against random
Josh_Video
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada798 Posts
August 07 2014 17:20 GMT
#264
On August 08 2014 02:11 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 02:08 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Wish Dreamhack would have chosen a different country. Like Canada or something would have been sick.

Canada already has IEM and Finland is its European equivalent!


On August 08 2014 02:10 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 02:08 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Wish Dreamhack would have chosen a different country. Like Canada or something would have been sick.

Canada already has IEM. Russia has nothing big besides DH.


That's imply having 2 events in Canada is a bad thing
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Meso
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden17 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-07 17:30:30
August 07 2014 17:24 GMT
#265
Was checking the news today when I came across an article about the whole Axiom and Dreamhack issue. Nothing big, but still kind of funny that they picked up on it. It's in Swedish but it may still be of interest to some of you.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/esport/starcraft2/article19329124.ab
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
August 07 2014 17:57 GMT
#266
good call on pulling axiom tb. your players would not have made it home unmolested from dreamhack moscow, let alone from a dreamhack:

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never forget


i hope all the people who are going remember to put a small cyanide capsule under your tongues so you can choose the easy way out after map-picks are done as putin pulls the lever, the trap door in your booth starts to open, and you start falling down into the gay-to-straight conversion camps below.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
August 07 2014 18:18 GMT
#267
Now you've done it TB
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Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
August 07 2014 18:19 GMT
#268
Can you call it "premier tournament" if there are like 1 or 2 random Koreans?
I look forward to DH in Stockholm.
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-07 18:21:52
August 07 2014 18:21 GMT
#269
On August 08 2014 01:52 rotta wrote:
I find all this trouble particularly sad, because I was actually thinking about attending this DH. I have never been to a DH event or Russia, even though I live pretty close (to Stockholm as well). The second batch better include at least Flash.

Dreamhack Helsinki please!


C'mon, i will show you the city :D
At least, better to see once than listening to everyone.

On August 08 2014 02:10 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 02:08 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Wish Dreamhack would have chosen a different country. Like Canada or something would have been sick.

Canada already has IEM. Russia has nothing big besides DH.


Well, we had LCS Moscow :D
+ we had ASUSes back in the days, but it's long story.
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TwilightRain
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany351 Posts
August 07 2014 18:24 GMT
#270
On August 07 2014 20:43 Cutt wrote:
Holy shit, seriously? Is that TB's post for real? Russia suddenly became one of the most dangerous places on Earth for gays, like really? With all of the gay clubs in Moscow and Saint-Pete, with gays freely walking holding hands down the streets?

Nice brainwashed view of Russia you got there, TB. Way to react on that propaganda bullshit your government-controlled media's feeding you.

I'm sorry if I sound butthurt (which I do), but that TB's post just caught me off guard. I am a fan of his, watching his every video, and to hear such a bullshit from a personality I was looking up to that much. That just hurts.

TB, let me tell you one thing: there are shit load of gays in major Russian towns and gay clubs, too. Your justification not to send your players in Moscow, a fucking capital, where hundreds if not thousands of gays living freely, is just fucking stupid and ignorant on so many levels it's laughable. I live in Saint-Pete, I see gays on the streets and in a subway almost every day, I've never seen anyone saying a single word to them, let alone hurt in some way. And now you're telling me that your players are in danger in a secure place with mostly nerds, security, cameras? Yeah, way to go man.

Oh, and what the fuck the Ukraine has to do with this? There are thousands of Ukrainians living in Russia, there are thousands of Ukrainian refugees streaming from Ukraine now, getting themselves places to live and work.

Again, sorry for the rant, I'm just extremely astounded and disappointing by the ignorance and short-slightness of one of my favorite personalities. Welp,I guess you can't fight the bullshit spewing media machine some people choose to feed off from.

User was temp banned for this post.

That's funny to me, cause I've personally heard multiple times from countless witnesses (my russian friends here) that people were being beat up time after time en masse by gopniks (you may know the term) and similar scum when exiting rock/metal concerts and festivals. Just for that, just for their music taste and appearance.
So yeah, since this kinda shit still happens to this day, and the homophobia is much more prevalent than hate towards metalheads, I think TB should rather play it safe. Better safe than sorry.
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
August 07 2014 19:34 GMT
#271
On August 08 2014 03:21 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 01:52 rotta wrote:
I find all this trouble particularly sad, because I was actually thinking about attending this DH. I have never been to a DH event or Russia, even though I live pretty close (to Stockholm as well). The second batch better include at least Flash.

Dreamhack Helsinki please!

C'mon, i will show you the city :D
At least, better to see once than listening to everyone.

I will, but not this time. My only concern is the lack of interesting players.
don't wall off against random
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
August 07 2014 20:12 GMT
#272
On August 08 2014 02:20 Josh_Video wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 02:11 rotta wrote:
On August 08 2014 02:08 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Wish Dreamhack would have chosen a different country. Like Canada or something would have been sick.

Canada already has IEM and Finland is its European equivalent!


Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 02:10 Xoronius wrote:
On August 08 2014 02:08 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Wish Dreamhack would have chosen a different country. Like Canada or something would have been sick.

Canada already has IEM. Russia has nothing big besides DH.


That's imply having 2 events in Canada is a bad thing

That's only implying, that russian fans deserve an event as well. We can have 2 events in canada and 1 in russia and I am completely fine with that.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
August 07 2014 21:01 GMT
#273
Whatever TB says, it is a politically motivated decision as actual threat to his players is so negligible that, if he was worried about such threats he probably should also forbid attending tournaments in geologically active areas or areas with higher incidence of diseases. Not even mentioning that there were tournaments in much more violent countries (like Brazil). Most likely self-convinced himself it is true as I doubt it is just purely a PR lie.

On the other hand people claiming that Russia is no worse in homophobia and violence are really lying to themselves. Even official statistics show Russia as much more dangerous and violent country than the "West". It is not enough to actually increase a danger to a player in international tournament by any significant margin if they don't go club-hopping and picking fights, but that does not mean it is not much worse than average developed country.
Nagi21
Profile Joined July 2012
United States6 Posts
August 07 2014 23:55 GMT
#274
There's also the fact that planes have been getting lost/shot down around that area recently... I'm sure that didn't exactly go unnoticed.
Strike from the skies!
vinsang1000
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium365 Posts
August 08 2014 01:01 GMT
#275
From my personnal experience, my korean friends were very scared/unconfortable to go to eastern europe for holidays. Main point was being scared of anti-asian racism. Maybe this is a part of it seeing the lack of koreans.

Now, second point, regarding the european players, it's a mess to go to russia from EU for the Visa (+ it's expensive). I understand that teams prefer send their players to Valencia, stockolm, germany, etc...
bbkpoker
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6 Posts
August 08 2014 03:07 GMT
#276
Not a discriminatory word in my post, it's an accurate summation of my experiences and I'm happy to evidence the teem gangs that target gays, the documented collusion of police to work with skinheads and others who assault gays during pride. The threat from Russian government to arrest anyone who used a basic mobile phone gay dating app, plenty of celebrity and high ranking political statements advocating violence against gays etc. We may have a few states that ban gay marriage but none of them will arrest you for saying being gay is normal. Not close.
insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
August 08 2014 09:21 GMT
#277
US citizens seem to be smarter than i thought. Hmmmmm.
Less is more.
crow_mw
Profile Joined March 2012
Poland115 Posts
August 08 2014 09:54 GMT
#278
Two days ago Putin threatened to close air space over Russia to all European airlines. This is unlikely to happen currently, but any day Russians may decide to invade Ukraine with regular army and situation will escalate. Would suck to suddenly be stuck in Moscow...
Random()
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
August 08 2014 11:28 GMT
#279
If the players are personally uncomfortable going there, then that is the right decision. If this is something that only the management is concerned about, or an attempt to make a political statement, then this is stupid. Please keep politics out of e-sports.
jackslater
Profile Joined November 2012
Russian Federation604 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 12:04:27
August 08 2014 11:57 GMT
#280
On August 08 2014 10:01 vinsang1000 wrote:
From my personnal experience, my korean friends were very scared/unconfortable to go to eastern europe for holidays. Main point was being scared of anti-asian racism. Maybe this is a part of it seeing the lack of koreans.

Now, second point, regarding the european players, it's a mess to go to russia from EU for the Visa (+ it's expensive). I understand that teams prefer send their players to Valencia, stockolm, germany, etc...

There is no anti-asian racism in Russia
Hope to see Taeja playing at Dreamhack Moscow))
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