On August 06 2014 21:35 Cinek357 wrote: Does anyone know if Huligan is former WC3 human player Xyligan?
lol XyLigan, it's funny to suddenly remember someone like this after so long. He was a very promising Human player, now I'm trying to remember more about him.
As far as I remember, he was pretty bad online but he delivered on lan, 2 wcg's top4 iirc. I really liked fnatic with Rotterdam, Saatini, Xyligan and Abver, they performed pretty well in team leagues against the chinese/korean powerhouses of SK, WE, BET & Co. It's a speculation but my guess is that xyligan retired, like many europeans, when the wc3 scene shifted heavily towards offline events in China. Good and full time players ready to embrace the chinese life like grubby, tod, sase or creo had a pretty long career, but the other europeans had to quit fairly early due to the lack of opportunities. Shame, wc3 was awesome
I wish Happy wins this simply because he is a hard worker in the scene and deserves it, looking at the player pool.
Still, I will not watch this Dreamhack - I have worked with people who have fled Russia and/or had relatives die/get injured due to heavy-handedness of its military and police, simply for having opinions and as such, I consider it my duty to boycott anything that would support Russia, even in the entertainment business.
Mods, I would like to publicly inquire as to exactly why did Cutt get banned for this post?
On August 07 2014 20:43 Cutt wrote: Holy shit, seriously? Is that TB's post for real? Russia suddenly became one of the most dangerous places on Earth for gays, like really? With all of the gay clubs in Moscow and Saint-Pete, with gays freely walking holding hands down the streets?
Nice brainwashed view of Russia you got there, TB. Way to react on that propaganda bullshit your government-controlled media's feeding you.
I'm sorry if I sound butthurt (which I do), but that TB's post just caught me off guard. I am a fan of his, watching his every video, and to hear such a bullshit from a personality I was looking up to that much. That just hurts.
TB, let me tell you one thing: there are shit load of gays in major Russian towns and gay clubs, too. Your justification not to send your players in Moscow, a fucking capital, where hundreds if not thousands of gays living freely, is just fucking stupid and ignorant on so many levels it's laughable. I live in Saint-Pete, I see gays on the streets and in a subway almost every day, I've never seen anyone saying a single word to them, let alone hurt in some way. And now you're telling me that your players are in danger in a secure place with mostly nerds, security, cameras? Yeah, way to go man.
Oh, and what the fuck the Ukraine has to do with this? There are thousands of Ukrainians living in Russia, there are thousands of Ukrainian refugees streaming from Ukraine now, getting themselves places to live and work.
Again, sorry for the rant, I'm just extremely astounded and disappointing by the ignorance and short-slightness of one of my favorite personalities. Welp,I guess you can't fight the bullshit spewing media machine some people choose to feed off from.
User was temp banned for this post.
Whereas, bbkpoker does not for his post? His post is clearly discriminatory and much more inflamatory - with straight up sweeping hatred of an entire nation -- ie. "Russia is fucking absolutely terrible and terrifying".
On August 06 2014 23:39 Faust852 wrote: Looks like pros don't really want to go to Russia :}
We're not sending players for a couple of reasons. Firstly, Russias rampant homophobia. Not only is it morally repugnant, but it puts our players at risk. Korean males are culturally very comfortable with being close to each other. Holding hands, sitting on others laps etc, not at all uncommon. In Russia this could be mistaken for gay behavior and may result in misunderstandings that could even lead to violence. There are plenty of incidents where gay or "we thought he was gay" people have been beaten in Russia. Secondly, Russias belligerence in how they're acting with the Ukraine is reason enough to keep our players out on both moral grounds and with concern to their own safety.
Second, the U.S. itself has some of the most homophobic states (and most racist states too) but you never hear about someone not sending players to a certain state because they're racist and homophobic there. Also, most of the allies of the U.S. (i.e. Saudi Arabia) execute homosexual people and put them in jail. Then Obama goes on TV and says he has no patience for countries that have homophobic remarks like Russia but forgets about their buddies like those middle eastern states from which they get oil from. And then someone like you thinks damn he's right and just pictures Russia as the bad guys forgetting EVERY super-power (US, Russia, China) is equally bad for different reasons.
Calling flat out bullshit on this one, mixed race guy here who has been extensively through Russia, Japan, Korea, Europe, Israel, Dubai, etc. and I've also been extensively through the southern US. The level of violence and police corruption is far worse in Russia than exists anywhere in the USA. There is plenty of terrible bigotry and prejudice in the USA, but Russia is far beyond that, the level of suspicion, disdain and aggression many Russians have for foreigners is crazy, literally groups of teenagers just walk around getting drunk and fucking shit up and assaulting people, none of this is uncommon, and they without a doubt target foreigners, racial minorities and people they perceive as being gay and it is for the most part ignored by the police there. In the US, you might wind up in a small town where people let you know you aren't welcome, but you are almost never going to be randomly assaulted, and police actually respond and take you seriously for the most part if a situation escalates to that.
I will grant that the middle east is far worse than Russia is in terms of persecution of LGBT individuals and people that are minorities to those countries, and is abominable. However most of those countries are not considered overall developed nations even if Dubai in particular is. As developed countries go, Russia is probably the worst major super power in regard to how it treats their gays, and the apologists who say that "well we aren't really that bad" or compare themselves to states that have banned same sex marriage, none of our celebrities are on tv telling people to execute gays, like some have in Russia.
Russia is fucking absolutely terrible and terrifying compared to the US in every single way when it comes to homophobia, the extent of it, the severity of the reaction to it, the criminality of it, and the likelihood that you will be attacked or killed as a result of being one or being perceived to be one and it is not even remotely close to the USA.
Further, as TB pointed out, none of this is a criticism or protest of the way in which Russia or any other country has chosen to govern themselves or treat sexual or racial minorities, but a valid reaction to protecting his players by not taking them to a country with active violence and political hostility, and local culture that will be hostile to the way his Korean players naturally act. There's no way shape or form he should "just tell them to knock it off" for a few days, your tournament isn't worth the safety risk.
Cutt did not have any sort of this seething hatred but he is somehow the one who is punished and his voice silenced. Please explain.
On August 07 2014 21:25 toocoldtocry wrote: Still, I will not watch this Dreamhack - I have worked with people who have fled Russia and/or had relatives die/get injured due to heavy-handedness of its military and police, simply for having opinions and as such, I consider it my duty to boycott anything that would support Russia, even in the entertainment business.
Oh Please, man! Sports (and we all consider cyber-sport as sport) - usually positions itself as politics independent. And it will never be true while there are people thinking like you
I'm rofling about TB :D what's about BEARs ripping gays and foreigners? Specialy trained for. Maybe some metres of SNOW over the streets and there are only VODKA as a drink? Not a choice, but it's nessesary to drink some liters of it to smell like russian or you'll be killed by bear or random crazy russian. :D
On August 07 2014 08:28 TotalBiscuit wrote: Just another piece of pondscum lying on the surface of this community that nobody will remember after today.
It seems calling people pond scum that nobody will remember (etc) is OK , meanwhile people get banned left and right for (imo) much more minior things.
/Lowly regarded person part of the evil toxic community donating and paying for SC2 and e-sports products - - -
I think the DreamHack team and crew will fit in very well in Russia at least and I'm sure it will be awesome
On August 07 2014 08:28 TotalBiscuit wrote: Just another piece of pondscum lying on the surface of this community that nobody will remember after today.
It seems calling people pond scum that nobody will remember (etc) is OK , meanwhile people get banned left and right for (imo) much more minior things.
/Lowly regarded person part of the evil toxic community donating and paying for SC2 and e-sports products
You might want to to:
A) Look at the post that prompted TB's response B) take any issues you may have with moderation to Website Feedback and keep them out of this thread.
Feel bad for Dreamhack, those guys are pretty cool. They don't really deserve to get shafted because of the situation in Russia, but then again opting to host an event there was a risk they took. I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell they'd do it now - but payments for the venue and all of that is likely already in place, so what can you do?
V1lat from Starladder tweeted yesterday that they can't hold Starladder finals in Russia because dota2 players don't want to travel there, so while another team/owner hasn't taken an official stand like TotalBiscuit has, I'm sure the sentiment is widely shared.
Ultimately the only good reason why players shouldn't attend tournaments is when they don't want to. I'm going to assume players don't want to attend this one based on the evidence that they haven't registered for it, and whether it's fair or not shouldn't be our concern.
What you should do now is create the best crowd ever for a DH. A good crowd is a key component to a successful event. Make people regret not having been there, that will certainly help possible future iterations of the event.
On August 07 2014 08:28 TotalBiscuit wrote: Just another piece of pondscum lying on the surface of this community that nobody will remember after today.
It seems calling people pond scum that nobody will remember (etc) is OK , meanwhile people get banned left and right for (imo) much more minior things.
/Lowly regarded person part of the evil toxic community donating and paying for SC2 and e-sports products
You might want to to:
A) Look at the post that prompted TB's response B) take any issues you may have with moderation to Website Feedback and keep them out of this thread.
Exactly what I thought. TB had every right to be much worse to such a terrible person.
The nuke icon means perm ban. The nuke text in dota2fans posts means I scrubbed out his posts because he keeps on trying to dodge his ban, and I don't want to give him the statisfaction of being able to carry on his arguments even if it is 1-2 posts at a time. A ban is a ban.
I find all this trouble particularly sad, because I was actually thinking about attending this DH. I have never been to a DH event or Russia, even though I live pretty close (to Stockholm as well). The second batch better include at least Flash.
EPT
, meanwhile people get banned left and right for (imo) much more minior things.
