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Russian Federation7 Posts
On August 07 2014 10:51 dashpar wrote:
They should cancel this event. Half the world has sanctions set on Russia and they are about to invade Ukraine. It's kinda cold to help an economy that is supporting an invading army and suppressing a people. Dreamhack do the right thing and cancel it and move it some where else. Anywhere else. To the people who are going stay safe be careful.
*facepalm
USA are not the half the world
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On August 07 2014 10:47 ggviewers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 10:29 kuan888 wrote:On August 07 2014 09:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Transparency sucks. This thread demonstrates why.
And the TaKe chat logs
and all the other times we trusted the community not to crucify us for putting the interests of our players first.
I guess I only have my own naivety to blame. You win, this is the last time, I'll stick to filtered PR statements from now on or silence when it comes to the team, both come with less headaches. A lesson well learned. Its always a very small part of the community, and probably the toxics and the idiots. I know it must hurt you, but im pretty sure the majority support you and team Axiom. You are the savior of most SlayerS players when they disbanded, its not a small thing for me and fans, you changed lives of your koreans players and ours, everything you did for Starcraft and beyond. Those haters did nothing close of what you achieved yet, and are probably sad persons.. While sometime our opinions may differ, the people who respect you will try to discuss in a civilized manner. The toxics and the idiots will just try to push the ''Totalbiscuit button'' and sadly it work most of the time as you said yourself in that big post. well what a smart style to write about "discussing in civilized maner" while offending all people with different opinion as "idiots and haters" ...several times. But one thing you right about TB. Its much better just announce the decision and dont describe it and talk about things reasons you have no idea about it.
Please re-read my post, because im not saying that at all.
''While sometime our opinions may differ, the people who respect you will try to discuss in a civilized manner.''
The idiots and toxics are the trolls, people just there to shit and hurt someone, whose ''contribution'' bring nothing. You cant discuss with thoses peoples. I hope i make myself clear 
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On August 07 2014 10:50 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 10:29 kuan888 wrote:On August 07 2014 09:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Transparency sucks. This thread demonstrates why.
And the TaKe chat logs
and all the other times we trusted the community not to crucify us for putting the interests of our players first.
I guess I only have my own naivety to blame. You win, this is the last time, I'll stick to filtered PR statements from now on or silence when it comes to the team, both come with less headaches. A lesson well learned. Its always a very small part of the community, and probably the toxics and the idiots. I know it must hurt you, but im pretty sure the majority support you and team Axiom. You are the savior of most SlayerS players when they disbanded, its not a small thing for me and fans, you changed lives of your koreans players and ours, everything you did for Starcraft and beyond. Those haters did nothing close of what you achieved yet, and are probably sad persons.. While sometime our opinions may differ, the people who respect you will try to discuss in a civilized manner. The toxics and the idiots will just try to push the ''Totalbiscuit button'' and sadly it work most of the time as you said yourself in that big post. EDIT: Sorry for everyone, english is not my first language but i think you will get the points. "They disagree with my decision, therefore they are toxics and idiots". Please open your mind up a bit more. If you don't like reading people that disagree with your opinion, then just post what you have to say and don't bother reading the responses.
Nowhere in my text i say that, see the answer i gave to another guy
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Russian Federation7 Posts
On August 07 2014 10:59 kuan888 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 10:41 TheGoldenWitch wrote:On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Russias rampant homophobia.
I've been living in Russia for 20 years. And I have never seen an example of homophobic behavior. Seems like people from other countries know much more about Russian than Russians themselves. On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Korean males are culturally very comfortable with being close to each other. Holding hands, sitting on others laps etc, not at all uncommon. In Russia this could be mistaken for gay behavior and may result in misunderstandings that could even lead to violence. Yea, I do remember we've beaten the shit out of those asian boys at wcg showmatches, Kode5 and gamex. Oh wait, we did not. Also nestea and MVP came to Russia a year ago to play some showmatches and they are still alive somehow. On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Secondly, Russias belligerence in how they're acting with the Ukraine is reason enough to keep our players out on both moral grounds and with concern to their own safety.
I doubt you'd find Ukraine on the world map. But you're for sure a geopolitical expert to make such statements. I am sure there will be enough good players to look, even though you won't send yours. But it's still a bit sad. Those reasons seem ridiculously stupid for anyone who have ever lived in Russia. It's even worse if you believe what you've said, cuz it sounds like repeating propaganda from tv or something like that. Anyway, I am looking forward to the great tournament. Hope to see mc and hyun in Moscow. Why so passive agressive? You have a different opinion, thats all. You have good points from my perspective but no need to be an ass. Why dont you tell us more about Russia and gays ? What are the opinions of russians? Is it worst in some part of Russia and better in Moscow? What the russian public think about the new anti-gay laws? etc.. Im not sure here is the right place for this, so mods feel free to edit my post.
thats not the right thread for this!
But there are no gay laws! use google for exact point of laws. laws against the pedophile and gay propaganda for children!
User was banned for being a PBU already banned in this thread.
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On August 07 2014 11:09 ggviewers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 10:59 kuan888 wrote:On August 07 2014 10:41 TheGoldenWitch wrote:On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Russias rampant homophobia.
I've been living in Russia for 20 years. And I have never seen an example of homophobic behavior. Seems like people from other countries know much more about Russian than Russians themselves. On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Korean males are culturally very comfortable with being close to each other. Holding hands, sitting on others laps etc, not at all uncommon. In Russia this could be mistaken for gay behavior and may result in misunderstandings that could even lead to violence. Yea, I do remember we've beaten the shit out of those asian boys at wcg showmatches, Kode5 and gamex. Oh wait, we did not. Also nestea and MVP came to Russia a year ago to play some showmatches and they are still alive somehow. On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Secondly, Russias belligerence in how they're acting with the Ukraine is reason enough to keep our players out on both moral grounds and with concern to their own safety.
I doubt you'd find Ukraine on the world map. But you're for sure a geopolitical expert to make such statements. I am sure there will be enough good players to look, even though you won't send yours. But it's still a bit sad. Those reasons seem ridiculously stupid for anyone who have ever lived in Russia. It's even worse if you believe what you've said, cuz it sounds like repeating propaganda from tv or something like that. Anyway, I am looking forward to the great tournament. Hope to see mc and hyun in Moscow. Why so passive agressive? You have a different opinion, thats all. You have good points from my perspective but no need to be an ass. Why dont you tell us more about Russia and gays ? What are the opinions of russians? Is it worst in some part of Russia and better in Moscow? What the russian public think about the new anti-gay laws? etc.. Im not sure here is the right place for this, so mods feel free to edit my post. thats not the right thread for this! But there are no gay laws! use google for exact point of laws. laws against the pedophile and gay propaganda for children!
the fuck is gay propaganda?
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On August 07 2014 11:09 ggviewers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 10:59 kuan888 wrote:On August 07 2014 10:41 TheGoldenWitch wrote:On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Russias rampant homophobia.
I've been living in Russia for 20 years. And I have never seen an example of homophobic behavior. Seems like people from other countries know much more about Russian than Russians themselves. On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Korean males are culturally very comfortable with being close to each other. Holding hands, sitting on others laps etc, not at all uncommon. In Russia this could be mistaken for gay behavior and may result in misunderstandings that could even lead to violence. Yea, I do remember we've beaten the shit out of those asian boys at wcg showmatches, Kode5 and gamex. Oh wait, we did not. Also nestea and MVP came to Russia a year ago to play some showmatches and they are still alive somehow. On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Secondly, Russias belligerence in how they're acting with the Ukraine is reason enough to keep our players out on both moral grounds and with concern to their own safety.
I doubt you'd find Ukraine on the world map. But you're for sure a geopolitical expert to make such statements. I am sure there will be enough good players to look, even though you won't send yours. But it's still a bit sad. Those reasons seem ridiculously stupid for anyone who have ever lived in Russia. It's even worse if you believe what you've said, cuz it sounds like repeating propaganda from tv or something like that. Anyway, I am looking forward to the great tournament. Hope to see mc and hyun in Moscow. Why so passive agressive? You have a different opinion, thats all. You have good points from my perspective but no need to be an ass. Why dont you tell us more about Russia and gays ? What are the opinions of russians? Is it worst in some part of Russia and better in Moscow? What the russian public think about the new anti-gay laws? etc.. Im not sure here is the right place for this, so mods feel free to edit my post. thats not the right thread for this! But there are no gay laws! use google for exact point of laws. laws against the pedophile and gay propaganda for children!
''laws against gay propaganda for children'' <--- you just proved my point.
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Russian Federation7 Posts
On August 07 2014 11:12 kuan888 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 11:09 ggviewers wrote:On August 07 2014 10:59 kuan888 wrote:On August 07 2014 10:41 TheGoldenWitch wrote:On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Russias rampant homophobia.
I've been living in Russia for 20 years. And I have never seen an example of homophobic behavior. Seems like people from other countries know much more about Russian than Russians themselves. On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Korean males are culturally very comfortable with being close to each other. Holding hands, sitting on others laps etc, not at all uncommon. In Russia this could be mistaken for gay behavior and may result in misunderstandings that could even lead to violence. Yea, I do remember we've beaten the shit out of those asian boys at wcg showmatches, Kode5 and gamex. Oh wait, we did not. Also nestea and MVP came to Russia a year ago to play some showmatches and they are still alive somehow. On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Secondly, Russias belligerence in how they're acting with the Ukraine is reason enough to keep our players out on both moral grounds and with concern to their own safety.
I doubt you'd find Ukraine on the world map. But you're for sure a geopolitical expert to make such statements. I am sure there will be enough good players to look, even though you won't send yours. But it's still a bit sad. Those reasons seem ridiculously stupid for anyone who have ever lived in Russia. It's even worse if you believe what you've said, cuz it sounds like repeating propaganda from tv or something like that. Anyway, I am looking forward to the great tournament. Hope to see mc and hyun in Moscow. Why so passive agressive? You have a different opinion, thats all. You have good points from my perspective but no need to be an ass. Why dont you tell us more about Russia and gays ? What are the opinions of russians? Is it worst in some part of Russia and better in Moscow? What the russian public think about the new anti-gay laws? etc.. Im not sure here is the right place for this, so mods feel free to edit my post. thats not the right thread for this! But there are no gay laws! use google for exact point of laws. laws against the pedophile and gay propaganda for children! ''laws against gay propaganda'' <--- you just proved my point.
...for children
or you just pick only words which dont disturb your well builded pony world?!
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On August 07 2014 11:14 ggviewers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 11:12 kuan888 wrote:On August 07 2014 11:09 ggviewers wrote:On August 07 2014 10:59 kuan888 wrote:On August 07 2014 10:41 TheGoldenWitch wrote:On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Russias rampant homophobia.
I've been living in Russia for 20 years. And I have never seen an example of homophobic behavior. Seems like people from other countries know much more about Russian than Russians themselves. On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Korean males are culturally very comfortable with being close to each other. Holding hands, sitting on others laps etc, not at all uncommon. In Russia this could be mistaken for gay behavior and may result in misunderstandings that could even lead to violence. Yea, I do remember we've beaten the shit out of those asian boys at wcg showmatches, Kode5 and gamex. Oh wait, we did not. Also nestea and MVP came to Russia a year ago to play some showmatches and they are still alive somehow. On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Secondly, Russias belligerence in how they're acting with the Ukraine is reason enough to keep our players out on both moral grounds and with concern to their own safety.
I doubt you'd find Ukraine on the world map. But you're for sure a geopolitical expert to make such statements. I am sure there will be enough good players to look, even though you won't send yours. But it's still a bit sad. Those reasons seem ridiculously stupid for anyone who have ever lived in Russia. It's even worse if you believe what you've said, cuz it sounds like repeating propaganda from tv or something like that. Anyway, I am looking forward to the great tournament. Hope to see mc and hyun in Moscow. Why so passive agressive? You have a different opinion, thats all. You have good points from my perspective but no need to be an ass. Why dont you tell us more about Russia and gays ? What are the opinions of russians? Is it worst in some part of Russia and better in Moscow? What the russian public think about the new anti-gay laws? etc.. Im not sure here is the right place for this, so mods feel free to edit my post. thats not the right thread for this! But there are no gay laws! use google for exact point of laws. laws against the pedophile and gay propaganda for children! ''laws against gay propaganda'' <--- you just proved my point. ...for children or you just pick only words which dont disturb your well builded pony world?!
I edited.. Do you realise what you wrote?
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Russian Federation7 Posts
pony world , fairy tail, alice in wonderland... metaphor
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On August 07 2014 11:20 ggviewers wrote:
pony world , fairy tail, alice in wonderland... metaphor
gay propaganda for children <----- This thing doesnt exist and is why ppl say Russia is against gays. Thats why atlhetes boycoted the olympic, etc.. . If you agree with thoses laws, im sorry.
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Canada11266 Posts
Just a PBU, nothing to see here folks.
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Goldens got this for sure..... KR Zerg Power ! Gogo Golden
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Being from Russia, cannot agree more with TB. We have lots of frozen food made out of human homosexuals here in Russia. I personally do not like it, prefer eating babies and chicken. Come to think of that... They taste the same.
Well, jokes aside, homophobia is greatly exaggerated by the media. We even have our own 'elton johns'. Honestly i would love to see them incinerated, but not because of their orientation, but the voice... And music... And lyrics. I mean if you pretend to be like Elton, you should at least sing accordingly. But back to the point. It is safe. Especially in Moscow, a rather multicultural city. In megapolis even an extremely deviant behavior is a norm. And being gay? Pfff, that's even not deviant.
Sadly enough, the rulers of any country are a minority and any grudge that is happening is totally theirs. Media on both sides completely and senselessly exaggerates what is happening. When i watch any news it seems to be like another world. A few days ago i was speaking to one of my company's customer in Ukraine (support of our products). And you know what? Neither him nor i accused each other. It was all business, kindness and best wishes. This was from the bottom of our (at least mine) hearts. And yesterday i found out we're still trading. Just so you know.
I still agree to your decision to boycott this, but purely on political grounds. The only way to make things better is to sanction the young, not the old, who rule. Close Steam, battle.net, origin. Set them up against you. Or if a person is intelligent enough make them side with you. Problem is, intelligent people never run a country (especially any fake democracy with brainwashing media, both Russia and US included). So what you're doing is ensuring that all the young Russian Starcraft fans will be more susceptible to the propaganda machine than they are now. It seems you are too, TB, i'm sorry. Thought you've had a critical mind. Nah. I still think you do, just git some blind-spot or something.
Really sad to see how a bunch of species who don't even know what Starcraft is, make borders for us.
Anyway, best wishes to TB, just found out two days ago about his medical problem. Wish you get better.
Oh, TB, if you ever need a "safe" visit (not your team, i accept your decision, but you personally) feel free to contact me. Can give you a tour.
Best of luck everyone, hope it didn't sound political, just hoped to seek some sanity in the world.
P.S. It was meant to be incoherent. My heart wants to see SC in Russia, and my brains wants to see us prosecuted for both what we are doing and what we are not doing.
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Fucking soviet era all over again. Shit happens, CNN with the "news" and here you go, the actual citizens of a country are responsible for their gov's decisions, which in reality may have not even been done. Apparently I hate gays, shoot planes, start wars (in iraq? jkjk), there's blood on my hands. To top it all: it's muricans telling me that, gj.
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Russian Federation12 Posts
On August 07 2014 10:59 kuan888 wrote:
Why so passive agressive?
You have a different opinion, thats all. You have good points from my perspective but no need to be an ass.
Why dont you tell us more about Russia and gays ? What are the opinions of russians? Is it worst in some part of Russia and better in Moscow? What the russian public think about the new anti-gay laws? etc..
Im not sure here is the right place for this, so mods feel free to edit my post.
Well TB's statement made me a bit angry and sad. He's not the last man in e-sports and his words have some weight for the community. As i said we had some tournaments in Russia with a lot of foreigners. Riot even made one of the lcs weeks in Moscow. And I don't really remember any accident with a foregn player.
Russians couldn't counfuse asian guy with a gay. Russia borders asian countries like Kazakhstan and China, so a lot of asians come to Russia. Many chinese students are studying In my university, for example. And I've never seen them having any problems, even though most of them don't know Russian. And even if they do confuse a progamer with a gay nothing would happen. Relationship between gays and others are cold. Because it's too hard for the most of people who were born in Soviet Union to accept something that untraditional. But it doesn't mean everyone will hate you if you're a gay. It's just too strange for our people. Of course you can always find an aggressive idiot, but, in my opinion, idiots like terrorists have no nationality.
I don't think it's very different for other parts of the country. Except for probably islamic parts. Muslims are usually more radical.
Anti-gay law is not an anti-gay law at all. It's a law that should protect children from unwanted information like porn (not only gay but any porn), information about suicide, information about making drugs, etc. However, I don't know if it actually works. Our government makes one doubtful law after another and no one actually cares if they work.
What Russian people think about the law? Well, they don't give a fuck. As I said, a lot of Russians were born in Soviet Union. They don't know how to use their right to be heard. They don't say a word against government. And that actually sucks.
About the Ukraine. Ukraine had been existing for 23 years mostly because of Russia. We were almost a single nation separated by retarded governments. And then the UK guy who couldn't care less about 3rd world Eastern Europe countries like Russia or Ukraine says that the way we're acting with the Ukraine is unacceptable. Do you know there's a civil war in Ukraine which they call "anti-terrorist" operation? Do those people look like terrorists?care, shock content. People leave their houses to escape from that dumb war. And where do you think they go? Right, they go to Russia. It's not Russia to act like that, it's new Ukrainian democratic government.
Remember Sochi Olympics. Same talks before games about safety, terrorist attacks, lgbt rights. And not a single accident has happened.
I still think everything is gonna be fine. Sucks that some people bring politics into esports. Sc2 community is too weak to separate like this.
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Sochi was all bought by putin's bloody money, even the terrorists were bought hence no attacks. /s
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The real reason for people not sending players to this event, is propably visa issues. It can be hard.
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How does it work from now ? Any organization sending players will be accused of "supporting" homophobia ? Because there is no middle-ground in this story.
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On August 07 2014 10:41 TheGoldenWitch wrote:
I doubt you'd find Ukraine on the world map.
Anyone who is fairly educated can find largest European country in the map since it is quite difficult to miss.
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