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On August 07 2014 06:37 ptbl wrote:
I see some posts here and there saying that totalbiscuit made some edits to his post that was linked on reddit. The only "edit" he made was combining another post into one single post. This makes it easier for redditors to see because they won't know about the second post he made. I should know this because I'm the one that linked TB's post to reddit.
^^
this guy.
In a twist of irony, the reason I made that edit or more accurately, merging of the posts, was to prevent this very kind of misunderstanding and/or lying about my position.
Hey, TB, i have a suggestion. Send just 1(one) Axiom player to Moscow. Im sure he cant act gay by himself, can he? That way you can protect your players and save esports as well.
I have a counter suggestion.
Stop posting.
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But TB, if none of your players go, how will they bring back some delicious Putin brand vodka for you?
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I have a counter suggestion.
Stop posting.
i have a strange feeling i will be posting on the internet a little longer then you (even if not on tl cus ill get banned for this post)
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 07 2014 07:01 khmerrouge wrote:i have a strange feeling i will be posting on the internet a little longer then you (even if not on tl cus ill get banned for this post)
Wow dude. You went too far.
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On August 07 2014 07:01 khmerrouge wrote:i have a strange feeling i will be posting on the internet a little longer then you (even if not on tl cus ill get banned for this post) User was temp banned for this post.
TB is a big boy and can defend himself but god damn thats a low comment about his health issues.
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On August 07 2014 07:01 khmerrouge wrote:i have a strange feeling i will be posting on the internet a little longer then you (even if not on tl cus ill get banned for this post) User was temp banned for this post.
Thats so low, now you have zero credibility.
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Some people need to travel more, get their own impressions and read less what others tell them they must think 
I hope this DH will be interesting, very cool that DreamHack expands all over. DreamHack never fails.
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On August 07 2014 07:01 khmerrouge wrote:i have a strange feeling i will be posting on the internet a little longer then you (even if not on tl cus ill get banned for this post) User was temp banned for this post.
Personally, I think this is way too far just to be a temp ban, But I trust TL. This guy is a terrible person in every aspect. 
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hopefully we see some more korean players in the second batch
wth
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TB's decision is disappointing, though more for the reason he gave. Claiming the players wouldn't be safe because some Koreans tend to sometimes "sit on others laps" is ludicrous, to say the least. I would actually understand TB more if his reasoning was of a political nature, even if such a stance would seem frivolous and juvenile.
Nevertheless, maybe some Russian players will surprise me with their performance, just like some Canadian players have recently.
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On August 07 2014 06:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 06:39 justice4all80 wrote:
lol People really think there is war between Russia and Ukraine- West propaganda really funny:D Not so much a war, more like extremely high political tensions combined with a regional occupation and the possibility of Russian-armed rebels killing civilians...
thats a lie
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I might be worried about traveling there.
I heard through US media that Putin and Russian media blames US and western Europe for all of Russia's economic issues. If that kind of indoctrination is going on, maybe Russian citizens would be hostile toward Americans? This a step further than our traditional reputation of American, saying we are responsible for the hardships they are enduring.
You probably would be fine if you kept to yourself and stayed with a group of people. But if I was going to attend, I would be going by myself. Maybe I am a bit paranoid and the vast majority of Russians do not mind Americans or would not be aggressive.
That is not to say that US media and government does not spread their own propaganda, but it is hard to know who is right or wrong. And you have to exercise caution when going to a country you are in "conflict" with right now.
User was warned for this post
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On August 07 2014 06:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 06:37 ptbl wrote:
I see some posts here and there saying that totalbiscuit made some edits to his post that was linked on reddit. The only "edit" he made was combining another post into one single post. This makes it easier for redditors to see because they won't know about the second post he made. I should know this because I'm the one that linked TB's post to reddit. ^^ this guy. In a twist of irony, the reason I made that edit or more accurately, merging of the posts, was to prevent this very kind of misunderstanding and/or lying about my position. Show nested quote +Hey, TB, i have a suggestion. Send just 1(one) Axiom player to Moscow. Im sure he cant act gay by himself, can he? That way you can protect your players and save esports as well. I have a counter suggestion. Stop posting.
and i would suggest you too Google words like " moscow gay"
such famous russian artist like "penkin, moiseev, zverev etc etc.." there are really much. and you will see how wrong you are.
Never the less there are much unsafty places in ther world also in lodon u can be realy beaten for that reason in wrong part of the City at wrong time... so imho u did big mistake to believe the lieng tv-
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On August 07 2014 08:09 foraiur95 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 06:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 07 2014 06:39 justice4all80 wrote:
lol People really think there is war between Russia and Ukraine- West propaganda really funny:D Not so much a war, more like extremely high political tensions combined with a regional occupation and the possibility of Russian-armed rebels killing civilians... thats a lie
which part?
edit: according to this message you sent me, you are banned... so okay then.
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On August 07 2014 07:01 khmerrouge wrote:i have a strange feeling i will be posting on the internet a little longer then you (even if not on tl cus ill get banned for this post) User was temp banned for this post.
Just another piece of pondscum lying on the surface of this community that nobody will remember after today.
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On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 23:39 Faust852 wrote:
Looks like pros don't really want to go to Russia :} We're not sending players for a couple of reasons. Firstly, Russias rampant homophobia. Not only is it morally repugnant, but it puts our players at risk. Korean males are culturally very comfortable with being close to each other. Holding hands, sitting on others laps etc, not at all uncommon. In Russia this could be mistaken for gay behavior and may result in misunderstandings that could even lead to violence. There are plenty of incidents where gay or "we thought he was gay" people have been beaten in Russia. Secondly, Russias belligerence in how they're acting with the Ukraine is reason enough to keep our players out on both moral grounds and with concern to their own safety. EDIT: Since this is now linked on Reddit and they probably won't read my followup post. I'm reposting that here. It's just a really sad state of affairs. I have quite a lot of Russian fans, so does the team, but the safety of the players has to come first. The political reasoning isn't even that important, almost every country does something objectionable. Should we not send players to the US because of the arguably illegal wars its waged in the past or the whole spying on its own citizens thing? You'd be short on tournaments to go to if you started doing that. The homophobic violence however is a very real thing and don't count on thugs to know the difference between gay people and typical Korean male social closeness. This homophobia, pushed by those in power, is deliberately divisive. Unite the country by persecuting a minority within it, differentiate yourselves from other countries that are more accepting, utilize the galvinisation against said minority as a banner to rally behind and in turn, rally against countries who the population now perceives as different and "the enemy". It's sad that this can still work in the internet age, though I think we are getting to the point where it is losing its effectiveness. It's hard to view other people in other countries as enemies when you interact with them every day online and see that they're just another human being like us. So the primary reason for not sending our players is the safety concern. If we had someone on the ground who spoke Russian that we could trust we would probably be more open to the idea, but we don't, so we'd rather not send our players into that environment. Not sending our players should not be considered a boycott of the event, we just want to risk our players well-being when there are other events they could attend that don't carry those risks.
I get the homophobic thing but using your power as a media figure here on TL and reddit to go about giving your own biased view on Russia vs Ukraine conflict following up with "oh hey guys its not one of the reasons for not sending players" and then talk about how other countries do similar conflicts. Stating that "if we dont send players there then there is no tournaments to go to" why did you have to state these 2 opinions? Now people that don't want to educate themselves on the conflicts and only view media sources from one point of view will gobble up what you have said and start regurgitating it back to the masses creating more bias and silly views on a very serious conflict.
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To be honest I completely get why a team would not send their players to a very controversial part of the world. Dreamhack probably didn't know this was going to go on this way (they planned Moscow last year) and the Russia/Ukraine bullshit hadn't been playing up globally since then, and they can't cancel an event just like that. That said I completely respect teams that do not want to take any RISKS in any way shape or form whether it be the controversial stuff with Ukraine or the homophobia that goes around there, it's just a situation a team doesn't want to get their players into. Completely understandable.
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On August 07 2014 08:34 SayfT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 06 2014 23:39 Faust852 wrote:
Looks like pros don't really want to go to Russia :} We're not sending players for a couple of reasons. Firstly, Russias rampant homophobia. Not only is it morally repugnant, but it puts our players at risk. Korean males are culturally very comfortable with being close to each other. Holding hands, sitting on others laps etc, not at all uncommon. In Russia this could be mistaken for gay behavior and may result in misunderstandings that could even lead to violence. There are plenty of incidents where gay or "we thought he was gay" people have been beaten in Russia. Secondly, Russias belligerence in how they're acting with the Ukraine is reason enough to keep our players out on both moral grounds and with concern to their own safety. EDIT: Since this is now linked on Reddit and they probably won't read my followup post. I'm reposting that here. It's just a really sad state of affairs. I have quite a lot of Russian fans, so does the team, but the safety of the players has to come first. The political reasoning isn't even that important, almost every country does something objectionable. Should we not send players to the US because of the arguably illegal wars its waged in the past or the whole spying on its own citizens thing? You'd be short on tournaments to go to if you started doing that. The homophobic violence however is a very real thing and don't count on thugs to know the difference between gay people and typical Korean male social closeness. This homophobia, pushed by those in power, is deliberately divisive. Unite the country by persecuting a minority within it, differentiate yourselves from other countries that are more accepting, utilize the galvinisation against said minority as a banner to rally behind and in turn, rally against countries who the population now perceives as different and "the enemy". It's sad that this can still work in the internet age, though I think we are getting to the point where it is losing its effectiveness. It's hard to view other people in other countries as enemies when you interact with them every day online and see that they're just another human being like us. So the primary reason for not sending our players is the safety concern. If we had someone on the ground who spoke Russian that we could trust we would probably be more open to the idea, but we don't, so we'd rather not send our players into that environment. Not sending our players should not be considered a boycott of the event, we just want to risk our players well-being when there are other events they could attend that don't carry those risks. I get the homophobic thing but using your power as a media figure here on TL and reddit to go about giving your own biased view on Russia vs Ukraine conflict following up with "oh hey guys its not one of the reasons for not sending players" and then talk about how other countries do similar conflicts. Stating that "if we dont send players there then there is no tournaments to go to" why did you have to state these 2 opinions? Now people that don't want to educate themselves on the conflicts and only view media sources from one point of view will gobble up what you have said and start regurgitating it back to the masses creating more bias and silly views on a very serious conflict.
Using his power as a media figure? By... writing an explanation for his team's actions? So you think TB shouldn't be allowed to explain his team's actions because his (arguable, possibly ignorant, but certainly not indefensible) opinion might upset someone?
Get a grip.
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