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I was thinking about the state of terran balance and Scarlett's awesome showing as protoss at MLG. What if instead of the current state of starcraft, everyone was forced to play random? The game would not necessarily be easier to balance but it could definitely be more fair in the sense that people's livelihoods would not be ruined by the whims of Blizzard. I understand there would be a lot of luck involved in terms of what exact matchup you get on what map, but if everyone started out by being generalists, we would not have the same inclinations to shout 'imba' or 'nerf' at everything, since we would not be tied to a single race as fans (which it seems at least a good portion of people currently are).
Of course there are other options here you could consider - people could get to draft, you could be forced to choose each race once per BO3 but in whatever order you desire, or your opponent could pick your race for you (and vice versa). Just food for thought, since other games like DOTA involve a lot of luck (if the wrong type of creeps spawn when you're Chen or Enchantress, or if you get the perfect rune at the perfect time) but everyone seems to take it more in stride than when random variation goes astray in SC2 and I was just searching for the reasons why.
PS - Please do not turn this into a balance discussion about the current state of SC2, and also let's not discuss DOTA vs SC2 (or Valve vs Blizzard) balance methodology comparison. I just wanted to see what people thought about all pros being required to learn all 3 races, and how that could affect the scene, even though that wouldn't allow the epicness of Scarlett's match to happen again.
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I think that idea would make for a fun and entertaining invitational tournament. Pretty sure progamers would be willing to play too. They have shown they like the silly and fun stuff as much as the serious stuff
But for something like WCS and other big prize tourneys its not feasible to ask gamers to learn all 9 match-ups on all the maps.
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instead of random, I actually had the idea that every match would be a bo3. For example, if it's a TvP on ladder or sth:
Player A picks Terran initially.
Player B picks Protoss initially.
Game 1: Player A T vs Player B P.
Game 2: Player A P vs Player B T.
Game 3(if tied): Player A T vs Player B P.
This would lengthen each match, but would be pretty damn fair because no matter what race is considered "OP," every player will have to play from the opponent's shoes.
This is far from realistic, but ideally this could work out pretty nicely in terms of fairness imo
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I'd watch a tournament if they put that something like that on. Every map is Random vs Random. Would be fun
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ive always thought this would be an awesome idea for a tournament. like a shout-craft random or something like that.
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I find it interesting that many pros can off-race to great effect, but never do in tournaments (except Scarlett cause she's a boss). I think there's too much emphasis on being loyal to your race in Starcraft. It's the culture of the game, but one of those things that could go to better serve the scene. There would be a lot less balance whine if Random or at least frequently switching races were more encouraged.
I've always wanted to at least see a random-only tournament. Make it a major all-star event of some kind. The winner would not only be considered the best Terran, Protoss, or Zerg, but the best SC2 player overall. Would be so epic xD
Nobody would say "OMG there were only 3 Terrans in the round of 32" or "QQ no Zergs by the round of 8", it would just be "wow, so and so beat so and so with his off-race! So legit!" You would probably see a lot less stale games, as playstyles wouldn't be so 100% developed, leading to more scrappy games with improvised plays. Kind of like early SC2 again. For me, it would be exciting, but I know a lot of people on this forum are only interested in seeing perfection, and so this would be looked down upon by many.
Still, if I had $10k with which to put on a tournament, that's what I would do. Would be worth giving it a try, in any case.
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I would be ok to watch a tournament that wasn't completely random. For example, Taeja would have to play either Z or P each match and Scarlett would have to play T or P each match. No one could play there main race.
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It would be a very different game. The matchups differ greatly, up to the point that you could argue playing different races/matchups makes you play a different RTS.
Personally I wouldn't want to put up with playing Protoss, especially not PvP. That is not what I want from Starcraft. I'd probably quit having to waste so much time on matchups that I absolutly don't want to play.
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bo3 tournament
every player must play each race at least once. It gives players option to choose race depending on map or play mind games with opponent.
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I think if there was a way to show each player their opponent's randomly chosen race then it would be really interesting. I can say that certain races have huge problems with playing vs Random because of the lack of information before key decisions have already been made that put them behind.
I do have to say that one downside would be that games would be won and lost all the time due to all-ins or super gimmicky strategies. At the same time I think you need to appreciate how developed the game is in every matchup specifically because the players know every little thing there is to know about each race. A lot more mistakes would be made, and a lot of silly games would occur because of lack of familiarity, which is the reason watching SC2 was pretty boring in the early days (like GSL open seasons) when nobody really knew how to play the game.
Another thing to consider is that your opponent has to choose your race for you, so that you couldn't randomly roll your main race and dominate somebody that has no idea what they are doing.
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This could make for such a cool tournament. Who do you think might try to make this happen?
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if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living
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Sure would watch a BO3different races!
I'm ready to pay 10 bucks for a prize pool!
If there are enough people maybe we could ask Dragon or something?
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On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living
At least it's a better use of time than shitposting
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On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting
Don't feed the trolls, <3 Scarlett.
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On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting
Burned... I lol'd.
Lol'd double when i saw who posted it, get em~
OT I think this would make for a hella cool tournament, I love seeing offracing for one and it would just make for a nice mix/variety of matchups and games.
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On July 03 2014 14:31 bludragen88 wrote:
PS - Please do not turn this into a balance discussion about the current state of SC2, and also let's not discuss DOTA vs SC2 (or Valve vs Blizzard) balance methodology comparison. I just wanted to see what people thought about all pros being required to learn all 3 races, and how that could affect the scene, even though that wouldn't allow the epicness of Scarlett's match to happen again.
I sometimes wonder what happens if you cannot only pick the map when you ladder, but cannot pick the race as well. Obviously the skillset required to be successful would be a bit different.
But even though the idea itself is interesting, I think that the game itself would not be as nearly as successful. Even though progamers carry the game, it is played mostly by amateurs. And the game provides to experience the fantasy of being a terran commander, protoss executor or zerg cerebrate.
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On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting
FUCK that burns
n1
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On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting
i like you, scarlett, and i like gaming, and i like gamers. but people have a responsibility to know ahead of time what the risk/rewards of committing fulltime to a career are. i also love art and artists, but if you choose to be a fulltime artist instead of looking for a stable career then there's a decent chance you're not going to have a lot of stability or financial success
maybe i worded my post in a way that seemed insulting  i didn't mean it that way, and if it came off as such i apologize. it was a commentary on the OP's reasoning about blizzard "messing with people's livelihoods" through balance opinions, not an invective against esports
On July 03 2014 16:39 Nirel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting Don't feed the trolls, <3 Scarlett.
don't worry, no one is trolling
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That's a too drastic of a solution, nonetheless it would reduce balance whine a lot I think.
I'm actually switching to random myself, because I want to experience the balance point of view of the other races.
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