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I was thinking about the state of terran balance and Scarlett's awesome showing as protoss at MLG. What if instead of the current state of starcraft, everyone was forced to play random? The game would not necessarily be easier to balance but it could definitely be more fair in the sense that people's livelihoods would not be ruined by the whims of Blizzard. I understand there would be a lot of luck involved in terms of what exact matchup you get on what map, but if everyone started out by being generalists, we would not have the same inclinations to shout 'imba' or 'nerf' at everything, since we would not be tied to a single race as fans (which it seems at least a good portion of people currently are).
Of course there are other options here you could consider - people could get to draft, you could be forced to choose each race once per BO3 but in whatever order you desire, or your opponent could pick your race for you (and vice versa). Just food for thought, since other games like DOTA involve a lot of luck (if the wrong type of creeps spawn when you're Chen or Enchantress, or if you get the perfect rune at the perfect time) but everyone seems to take it more in stride than when random variation goes astray in SC2 and I was just searching for the reasons why.
PS - Please do not turn this into a balance discussion about the current state of SC2, and also let's not discuss DOTA vs SC2 (or Valve vs Blizzard) balance methodology comparison. I just wanted to see what people thought about all pros being required to learn all 3 races, and how that could affect the scene, even though that wouldn't allow the epicness of Scarlett's match to happen again.
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I think that idea would make for a fun and entertaining invitational tournament. Pretty sure progamers would be willing to play too. They have shown they like the silly and fun stuff as much as the serious stuff
But for something like WCS and other big prize tourneys its not feasible to ask gamers to learn all 9 match-ups on all the maps.
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instead of random, I actually had the idea that every match would be a bo3. For example, if it's a TvP on ladder or sth:
Player A picks Terran initially.
Player B picks Protoss initially.
Game 1: Player A T vs Player B P.
Game 2: Player A P vs Player B T.
Game 3(if tied): Player A T vs Player B P.
This would lengthen each match, but would be pretty damn fair because no matter what race is considered "OP," every player will have to play from the opponent's shoes.
This is far from realistic, but ideally this could work out pretty nicely in terms of fairness imo
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I'd watch a tournament if they put that something like that on. Every map is Random vs Random. Would be fun
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ive always thought this would be an awesome idea for a tournament. like a shout-craft random or something like that.
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I find it interesting that many pros can off-race to great effect, but never do in tournaments (except Scarlett cause she's a boss). I think there's too much emphasis on being loyal to your race in Starcraft. It's the culture of the game, but one of those things that could go to better serve the scene. There would be a lot less balance whine if Random or at least frequently switching races were more encouraged.
I've always wanted to at least see a random-only tournament. Make it a major all-star event of some kind. The winner would not only be considered the best Terran, Protoss, or Zerg, but the best SC2 player overall. Would be so epic xD
Nobody would say "OMG there were only 3 Terrans in the round of 32" or "QQ no Zergs by the round of 8", it would just be "wow, so and so beat so and so with his off-race! So legit!" You would probably see a lot less stale games, as playstyles wouldn't be so 100% developed, leading to more scrappy games with improvised plays. Kind of like early SC2 again. For me, it would be exciting, but I know a lot of people on this forum are only interested in seeing perfection, and so this would be looked down upon by many.
Still, if I had $10k with which to put on a tournament, that's what I would do. Would be worth giving it a try, in any case.
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I would be ok to watch a tournament that wasn't completely random. For example, Taeja would have to play either Z or P each match and Scarlett would have to play T or P each match. No one could play there main race.
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It would be a very different game. The matchups differ greatly, up to the point that you could argue playing different races/matchups makes you play a different RTS.
Personally I wouldn't want to put up with playing Protoss, especially not PvP. That is not what I want from Starcraft. I'd probably quit having to waste so much time on matchups that I absolutly don't want to play.
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bo3 tournament
every player must play each race at least once. It gives players option to choose race depending on map or play mind games with opponent.
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I think if there was a way to show each player their opponent's randomly chosen race then it would be really interesting. I can say that certain races have huge problems with playing vs Random because of the lack of information before key decisions have already been made that put them behind.
I do have to say that one downside would be that games would be won and lost all the time due to all-ins or super gimmicky strategies. At the same time I think you need to appreciate how developed the game is in every matchup specifically because the players know every little thing there is to know about each race. A lot more mistakes would be made, and a lot of silly games would occur because of lack of familiarity, which is the reason watching SC2 was pretty boring in the early days (like GSL open seasons) when nobody really knew how to play the game.
Another thing to consider is that your opponent has to choose your race for you, so that you couldn't randomly roll your main race and dominate somebody that has no idea what they are doing.
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This could make for such a cool tournament. Who do you think might try to make this happen?
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if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living
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Sure would watch a BO3different races!
I'm ready to pay 10 bucks for a prize pool!
If there are enough people maybe we could ask Dragon or something?
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On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living
At least it's a better use of time than shitposting
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On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting
Don't feed the trolls, <3 Scarlett.
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On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting
Burned... I lol'd.
Lol'd double when i saw who posted it, get em~
OT I think this would make for a hella cool tournament, I love seeing offracing for one and it would just make for a nice mix/variety of matchups and games.
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On July 03 2014 14:31 bludragen88 wrote:
PS - Please do not turn this into a balance discussion about the current state of SC2, and also let's not discuss DOTA vs SC2 (or Valve vs Blizzard) balance methodology comparison. I just wanted to see what people thought about all pros being required to learn all 3 races, and how that could affect the scene, even though that wouldn't allow the epicness of Scarlett's match to happen again.
I sometimes wonder what happens if you cannot only pick the map when you ladder, but cannot pick the race as well. Obviously the skillset required to be successful would be a bit different.
But even though the idea itself is interesting, I think that the game itself would not be as nearly as successful. Even though progamers carry the game, it is played mostly by amateurs. And the game provides to experience the fantasy of being a terran commander, protoss executor or zerg cerebrate.
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On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting
FUCK that burns
n1
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On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting
i like you, scarlett, and i like gaming, and i like gamers. but people have a responsibility to know ahead of time what the risk/rewards of committing fulltime to a career are. i also love art and artists, but if you choose to be a fulltime artist instead of looking for a stable career then there's a decent chance you're not going to have a lot of stability or financial success
maybe i worded my post in a way that seemed insulting  i didn't mean it that way, and if it came off as such i apologize. it was a commentary on the OP's reasoning about blizzard "messing with people's livelihoods" through balance opinions, not an invective against esports
On July 03 2014 16:39 Nirel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting Don't feed the trolls, <3 Scarlett.
don't worry, no one is trolling
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That's a too drastic of a solution, nonetheless it would reduce balance whine a lot I think.
I'm actually switching to random myself, because I want to experience the balance point of view of the other races.
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Would love to see a one off tournament like this, I think it would lead to some awesome, ridiculous games. :D
Would be gutted though if you kept getting your weakest race and someone keeps getting their main. 
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Already do :D
Playing random is fun, you can use all the imba bullshit of the raced and notice it is not that imba at all :D
Also, I purchased 9 matchups, why only play 3 "because Day9 told me that makes me improve faster"? I don't give a fuck, I game for fun, not for improvement. I'll never be a Maru, Zest or SoO regardless.
Random all the way!
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Yeah would love to see a frequently random only tournament, but for WCS, PL and so on players should play their main race.
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I would also love to watch a tournament like that!
I do feel that replies so far are a bit rose-tinted though. let me raise some concerns:
- If people would be allowed to pick different races on the three maps, we would see a lot of mirrors, as some maps are better for some races.
- We would very likely still get balance whine. "lolol, [non-P player] just beat [insert P player] as toss! Finally proof that toss is easiest race, lolol", etc.
- People would lose their character a lot (at least for me) if they don't have a main race. Now I can cheer for my zerg heros, and I can feel that we have something in common. People could no longer introduce themselves as "I'm [nickname] and I play Terran!!", it'd just be "I'm [nickname]. And, umm... I play sc2?".
- While on average you would get the "best sc2 player", you would also get player X winning by luck (if you go by the random race solution to avoid mirrors) because he randomed into his main race 3/5 games in the final bo5, while his opponent only got 1.
- People just would not be as good if they train all three races. Imagine the skill we would never see materialise because none of the full time players would focus on just one race.
Nonetheless, I like the general idea, and I'd watch the tournament. At least the first one.
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We could do it the proleague way where the map order is set and then players assign a race to each map without knowing who their opponents chose. Each race must be represented evenly(So Best of 3 means each race ones, best of 5 means each race once and two races twice, and Best of seven is each race twice with one 3 times and so on).
I do like the idea of random on random. It is fair.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
I don't have enough time to get one race down competently, I would probably roll random otherwise though
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On July 03 2014 18:40 Wombat_NI wrote:
I don't have enough time to get one race down competently, I would probably roll random otherwise though
speaking of which it's arguable that if everyone had to learn every race the overall level of play would dip. the current pros spend hours practicing a single race every day, and there's still an infinite skill ceiling the best in the world will never reach. if they were practicing 3 races and 9 matches, we might see less impressive technical play
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I like that. It's a good excuse as to why i'm so bad, as I play random.
- We would very likely still get balance whine. "lolol, [non-P player] just beat [insert P player] as toss! Finally proof that toss is easiest race, lolol", etc.
You'll get balance whine in any tournament, so that wouldn't really change a thing.
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I had posted about this before (+ Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/450395-the-future-of-rts-games?page=59#1178The issue is that since the players are already super-specialized on one race, you would run into problems now if you choose the races randomly: Let's say, MC picks Zerg and Taeja picks Terrain. Obviously, Taeja would roflstomp MC and the match wouldn't be very interesting to watch. Therefore, the first game would have to be fixed to the best race for existing pro players. i.e. for Game 1 MC always Protoss, Taeja always Terran After that they can choose. New players would be able to choose in game 1 already.
I don't have enough time to get one race down competently, I would probably roll random otherwise though That is not a problem, since when everyone starts playing random, the general skill level will decrease.
A positive side effect is that you can artificially higher the skill ceiling for the pros.
- If people would be allowed to pick different races on the three maps, we would see a lot of mirrors, as some maps are better for some races. As mentioned by Orcas, you can solve this by settings the maps in advance and having players choose their race before the matchup starts.
- We would very likely still get balance whine. "lolol, [non-P player] just beat [insert P player] as toss! Finally proof that toss is easiest race, lolol", etc. The balance whine would be of the same character as the one in chess, i.e. it doesn't really matter since you play all races and can only blame yourself (also, there will always be whiners).
- People would lose their character a lot (at least for me) if they don't have a main race. Now I can cheer for my zerg heros, and I can feel that we have something in common. People could no longer introduce themselves as "I'm [nickname] and I play Terran!!", it'd just be "I'm [nickname]. And, umm... I play sc2?". This might be an issue. Still people can identify themselves via their playing style.
- While on average you would get the "best sc2 player", you would also get player X winning by luck (if you go by the random race solution to avoid mirrors) because he randomed into his main race 3/5 games in the final bo5, while his opponent only got 1. As mentioned, the races have to be listed before the matchup starts. In a bo5 it makes sense to list your stronger races at the start.
- People just would not be as good if they train all three races. Imagine the skill we would never see materialise because none of the full time players would focus on just one race. That is actually a good thing because the skill ceiling is already reached at the pro level, which makes the current game stagnant.
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Why would you force somebody to play something that he does not want to play?
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On July 03 2014 18:55 urboss wrote:That is actually a good thing because the skill ceiling is already reached at the pro level, which makes the current game stagnant.
the skill ceiling will never be reached... just because they know the meta and know how to do builds perfectly that doesn't mean their play is perfect. no one can have perfect reaction times or infinitely fast fingers
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On July 03 2014 19:04 Big J wrote:
Why would you force somebody to play something that he does not want to play?
good point, maybe a random ladder idea would do for now? if you dont like it, dont play it.
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On July 03 2014 19:36 SatedSC2 wrote:
If I had to play Random, I wouldn't play the game. Simple as that :S
Nor would I watch it, to be honest. The overall skill level would drop and people who I like to watch specifically because of their playstyle with a given race wouldn't be guaranteed of rolling the race they're good with. It would be awful.
plus just the personality aspect. since BW, people have race picked based on their personal styles and preferences and aesthetics, and the lore of the game and how the races function has been loosely & playfully associated with players and their personalities, which really adds a lot to what the game is. SC wouldn't be nearly as fun to spectate participate in if it were just command and conquer tank warz and the races didn't carry certain connotations
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I think for an ideal RTS it's better to have only one or two races, because balance is less of a problem. And I think Blizzard underestimated how big of a concern balance would be. It's frustrating that every victory in SC2 can be delegitimized by balance complaints and personally I don't think it's worth it just to have three races. And literally every other (e-)sport aside from SC2 has equal opportunity start points, dota gives the same pool of heroes to every side for instance. I sometimes think you can't even take a competitive game seriously without it.
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yeah a tournament with all random would be cool to see. something for TB or Take to think about i'd say.
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I would like a all-random tournament!
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I don't think the problem is with expecting someone to learn all 9 matchups. I think most are probably fairly familiar with them because you need to know what your opponent is doing - even if their execution isn't as pristine. But its not like every protoss has to play like he thinks hes playing terran (Hero).
The problem is that some of the best games come from people trying to counter each others builds based on research.
If you have a random tournament you can't expect the players to have enough information on each other.
It would be like watching ladder games but far more random.
Would be fun to see an all random tournament though. There could be a set of players that noone really knows who do really well.
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On July 03 2014 20:13 MrTortoise wrote:
I don't think the problem is with expecting someone to learn all 9 matchups. I think most are probably fairly familiar with them because you need to know what your opponent is doing - even if their execution isn't as pristine. But its not like every protoss has to play like he thinks hes playing terran (Hero).
The problem is that some of the best games come from people trying to counter each others builds based on research.
If you have a random tournament you can't expect the players to have enough information on each other.
It would be like watching ladder games but far more random.
Would be fun to see an all random tournament though. There could be a set of players that noone really knows who do really well.
valid points. players also have to worry about brand, at least the more popular ones. Taeja, Flash, Inno, Bomber etc are firmly connected to Terran, Life, Jaedong, DRG to Zerg etc. all that would be lost if everybody played Random. but yeah, a random tournament here and there would be awesome.
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it could definitely be more fair in the sense that people's livelihoods would not be ruined by the whims of Blizzard. I understand there would be a lot of luck involved in terms of what exact matchup you get on what map, but if everyone started out by being generalists, we would not have the same inclinations to shout 'imba' or 'nerf' at everything
If one race was overpowered, that race would still be overpowered. Same with underpowered. I don't know why you think making people play races we dislike would change that. Not only would the game not change balance-wise, but on top of that you'll now have people frustrated with the fact they can only play their favorite race ~1/3 of the time, and randomly. Sounds like the opposite of a good idea, especially since current players can always switch races and practice them if they want.
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If anybody has to play random teaja would win... i've seen his offrace skill at a off race tournament some time ago... especially as protoss he was just ripping all opponents
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On July 03 2014 21:10 KOtical wrote:
If anybody has to play random teaja would win... i've seen his offrace skill at a off race tournament some time ago... especially as protoss he was just ripping all opponents
Tough call, i think life is a beast also. Offrace toss at rank 21 GM with 60%+ winrate
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On July 03 2014 19:04 Big J wrote:
Why would you force somebody to play something that he does not want to play?
I don´t want to see pros playing random in a such a tournament. I want a tournament where only random player participate. No one should be "forced" to play a race they don´t want to play.
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I would love to watch such a tournament!! It s a great idea!
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On July 03 2014 21:39 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 19:04 Big J wrote:
Why would you force somebody to play something that he does not want to play? I don´t want to see pros playing random in a such a tournament. I want a tournament where only random player participate. No one should be "forced" to play a race they don´t want to play.
So... a tournament with no professional players except possibly Balloon? Such a thing could exist, but I think it'd be also interesting if you have the top tier players playing random in a different tournament too.
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If everyone had to play random, protoss players would have 33% winrate.
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On July 03 2014 22:09 Twine wrote:
If everyone had to play random, protoss players would have 33% winrate.
Why do you think so? Having an equal number of games played by each race (assuming everyone's games played would overall average out to about 1/3 each race) doesn't necessarily mean that the win percentages of each race will be equal... any imbalances in the game would still tip the scale towards or away from certain races.
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Balance problems don't disappear just because you're forced to play all three races. It might certainly be the case that the population of players can become more experienced and knowledgeable with all the races and match-ups if they play all of them, and so the balance discussion might be better informed... but there could still be imbalance problems.
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People then would have an extra thing to whine about. RNG. Grats on a new complain topic
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United Kingdom1381 Posts
Maybe someone should make a mod that randomly picks a map from a list and you only find out when the game starts.
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I mean... yeah...
but no.
It's something I'd do with friends but not something I'd want to watch as a serious event. Maybe if it was a one time thing and everyone did it it could be fun but not more than that. I like to watch each player play and their style comes out in their races. If each player has to learn 9 MU then I'm sure we'll see a lot of games that look exactly the same for a while...
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Also, random is the same reason items are turned off in Smash brothers.
People don't like random, it can give an unfair advantage to someone. In competition people like to eliminiate randomness as much as possible.
Which is why I think pro Hearthstone is stupid as hell.
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I think it would be interesting, but many people are against it because we won't be able to see the best games with the best strategies. Some players have strategies for specific matchups on specific maps. Those kinds of strats (esp cheeses) are interesting to watch. Just like how people are against playing vs random, some people also dislike watching random vs random games because people will use safer openings that don't lead to the optimal result.
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I don't see what's the big deal!
If someone would run an all-race tournament and have sufficient prize money of say 30,000$, of course the pros would play there.
And if the pros are playing, people are gonna watch it.
If there are some random elements (who plays what matchup on what map), all the better!
The world's most popular sports have tons of random elements.
Don't listen to a handful of hardcore SC2 fans that insist that the old, beaten path is the only way.
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On July 03 2014 21:39 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 19:04 Big J wrote:
Why would you force somebody to play something that he does not want to play? I don´t want to see pros playing random in a such a tournament. I want a tournament where only random player participate. No one should be "forced" to play a race they don´t want to play.
I don't think anyone should be forced to play this way. I was trying to imagine a world where we didn't start off as "racists". What if we had all been educated as random players even from the beginnings of BW? I agree that you wouldn't have things like Boxer's terran line and those stories, but people could still be famous for playstyles (I guarantee Flash would have played a safe defensive style with any race, while July would have been balls to the wall aggression no matter what).
At this point, it would be kind of gimmicky to have random tournaments because there would be luck involved for sure. But if you played random since the beginning of time, would you really have a large discrepancy between all of your races? You might, but I'm not sure how bad it would be.
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I thought while playing CS that it would be fun if SC2's matches would be one half main race one half reverse. But then it would take ages :D
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More simple solution is to only have one race. That's it, game balanced, rejoice!
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it would just lend to more excuses and the like, RNG stuff is fun on paper but should try to be limited as much as possible in terms of affecting careers and professional play.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
I think it is like the HSC effect.
It would be cool to have a one off event like this, but not every tournament.
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United States7483 Posts
Game quality would suffer dramatically.
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On July 04 2014 10:55 ZenithM wrote:
More simple solution is to only have one race. That's it, game balanced, rejoice!
But have you considered that unit X is soooo OP? I have always played with unit Y, and frankly I am no good with unit X, and unit Y is much cooler and makes for more fun games than unit X anyway. They really need to buff Y a lot! Player A, B and C have always used mainly unit Y, and they have dropped out of the scene now almost, while players S, T and U are completely skilless newbs that just abuse unit X, making for boring games. Especially player T is such a patch-X.
Imo, you could get the current player community to play pong, and they'd complain that left side was OP when they lost.
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In BW most of the good players I knew played random about 80% of the time only picking for tournaments or requested specific matchups.
The difference I see is incredible in terms of how little the average SC2 player knows about their non main races.
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On July 03 2014 16:52 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting i like you, scarlett, and i like gaming, and i like gamers. but people have a responsibility to know ahead of time what the risk/rewards of committing fulltime to a career are. i also love art and artists, but if you choose to be a fulltime artist instead of looking for a stable career then there's a decent chance you're not going to have a lot of stability or financial success maybe i worded my post in a way that seemed insulting i didn't mean it that way, and if it came off as such i apologize. it was a commentary on the OP's reasoning about blizzard "messing with people's livelihoods" through balance opinions, not an invective against esports Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 16:39 Nirel wrote:On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting Don't feed the trolls, <3 Scarlett. don't worry, no one is trolling
only you being a dick, nothing unexpected.
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On July 04 2014 20:29 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 16:52 Waise wrote:On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting i like you, scarlett, and i like gaming, and i like gamers. but people have a responsibility to know ahead of time what the risk/rewards of committing fulltime to a career are. i also love art and artists, but if you choose to be a fulltime artist instead of looking for a stable career then there's a decent chance you're not going to have a lot of stability or financial success maybe i worded my post in a way that seemed insulting i didn't mean it that way, and if it came off as such i apologize. it was a commentary on the OP's reasoning about blizzard "messing with people's livelihoods" through balance opinions, not an invective against esports On July 03 2014 16:39 Nirel wrote:On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting Don't feed the trolls, <3 Scarlett. don't worry, no one is trolling only you being a dick, nothing unexpected. i'm sorry you feel i was being a dick; i was just responding to something in the OP i disagreed with. most likely i could have phrased it better to seem less derogatory, but i stand by what i said if you take issue with that, feel free to send me a message so we avoid a derail
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On July 04 2014 20:29 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 16:52 Waise wrote:On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting i like you, scarlett, and i like gaming, and i like gamers. but people have a responsibility to know ahead of time what the risk/rewards of committing fulltime to a career are. i also love art and artists, but if you choose to be a fulltime artist instead of looking for a stable career then there's a decent chance you're not going to have a lot of stability or financial success maybe i worded my post in a way that seemed insulting i didn't mean it that way, and if it came off as such i apologize. it was a commentary on the OP's reasoning about blizzard "messing with people's livelihoods" through balance opinions, not an invective against esports On July 03 2014 16:39 Nirel wrote:On July 03 2014 16:33 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 03 2014 16:29 Waise wrote:
if people's livelihoods depend on esports it's their own fault for thinking esports is a viable career path
that's the risk you take when you want to sit around playing computer games for a living At least it's a better use of time than shitposting Don't feed the trolls, <3 Scarlett. don't worry, no one is trolling only you being a dick, nothing unexpected.
Just another jellybean.
I say good luck to pro gamers, they can have some years doing something they love and still come out of the scene at a reasonable age to catch up on a chosen career path or education. Unless someone is putting off the chance to study at Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard or a once in a lifetime business opportunity then going into pro gaming for a couple of years really does not sound like a horrible idea at all.
Back on topic... I really would hate your idea OP, from a personal point of view having to play any mirror apart from TvT would be a depressing thought. I would probably just leave every PvP and ZvZ or just outright quit the game.
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